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HA SCOTT
I HAVE BEEN USING STERLING PAINT SO FAR. I STILL HAVE TIME TO CHANGE IF I NEED TO. I PAINTED THE INSIDE OF THE HATCHES LIKE I TOLD YOU WITH THE BRIGHTSIDE AND I HAVE PUT ON PRIMER TO THE DECK SIDE OF THE HATCHES AND PRIMERED THE CENTER CONSOLE AS WELL I USED A FOAM 4 “ ROLER WITH NO BRUSHING AT ALL I FOUND THAT WHEN I BRUSHED THE PRIMER IT CAUSED MORE STREAKS THAT I WANTED TO SAND OFF. AFTER IT DRIED I SANDED IT OUT WITH 150 GRIT BLOCK AND HAND SANDING AND THIS WEEK I WILL PUT ON THE FIRST COAT OF TOP COAT. THEN A COAT ON NON SKIT ON THE HATCH DOORS AND THEN A 3RD COAT OVER IT.
I AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THE VIDEO I LOOKED AT IT THIS MORNING THE SECOND TIME AND DECIDED THEY LEFT OUT SOME STUFF THEY SHOULD HAVE ADDED. I THINK THEY TALKED ABOUT SANDING OK BUT THEY DIDN’T TALK ABOUT FAIRING OTHER THAT THE FEW SCRAPES THAT WERE ON THE HULL. FAIRING AND SANDING CAN BE A BIG JOB. THEY ALSO DIDN’T TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT FAIRING COMPOUNDS THAT AWLGRIP MAKE AND USE. THEY DIDN’T TALK ABOUT THE ROLLERS ENOUGH IN THE BOOK THEY TALK ABOUT THE FOAM TYPE ROLLERS AND IN THE VIDEO IT WAS A SHORT NAP TYPE ROLLERS. THE THING THAT THEY LEFT OUT ALL TOGETHER WAS KEEPING DUST AND DIRT AND BUGS OFF YOUR FRESH PAINT. THAT GUY WAS PAINTING OUTSIDE WITH NO WIND PROTECTION. YOU NEED TO BUY SOME PLASTIC SHEETS AND PROTECT AT LEASE THE LAST COAT OF PAINT OR YOU WILL HAVE BIG PROBLEMS.
THIS WEEKEND I WAS SANDING THE DECK AND DOING SOME MORE FAIRING WORK. I HOPE THE SANDING AND APPLYING FAIRING COMPOUND WILL BE COMPLETED. SO ALL I WILL HAVE TO DO IS JUST PRIMER AND SANDING A ND PAINTING AND SANDING AND PAINTING.
I DO BELIEVE IT WILL COME OUT GOOD WITH THE ROLLER TIP METHOD AND I KNOW I WILL SAVE $4-5 GRAND DOING IT MYSELF.
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I hear this all of the time but haven't sen a good description of it - what exactly is "fairing"? T.I.A...

Thanks,

John

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Hi John
Fairing, well my interpretation, is basically filling in all irregularities in the glass .... such that when painted you cannot tell that this area had holes, damage, irregular or wavy surface.
Involves cleaning the damage out , filling in with epoxy/resin/glass, then sanding till the surface is smooth and continuous. Basically looks like nothing was ever wrong with the area AFTER its painted.

Hope this helps

Scott

[ March 11, 2002, 05:15 PM: Message edited by: Scott ]

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I was wondering the same ....why would Awlgrip not promote there own Fairing Compound and using that glazing putty?? Good info on the rollers and the primer I will keep that in mind. Did you have to sand alot only using the roller??(did the brush streak it too much)
Like I said before that video made it seem like painting your house....The guys at US Paints however warned me that it will take time and patience and the more its rushed or forced will only end up with a crummy paint job. They said, and as I'm doing, to concentrate on the prep work and getting rid of all the flaws....otherwise as I'm sure you know the paint just magnifies them.

They also warned me NOT to use Microlight filler by WEST SYSTEMS. Apparently the solvents in the paint soften up this material( said if it was used you should put a coat of epoxy over it to seal it). Basically said the best stuff to use with the WEST SYSTEM (and I'm sure the other systems too) are the high density fillers, Cabosil etc...
Thanks for the info on that battery pad....I think mine is in good shape....at least it seem pretty solid. I'm throwing the batteries under the console so I'm not to worried about that area.

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Scott

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HA SCOTT
I ROLLED WITH A FOAM ROLLER AND I DIDN’T GET ANY BUBBLES THE PRIMER DRIES VERY FAST AND BECAUSE OF THAT YOU WILL GET STREAKS WITH A BRUSH. THAT’S WHY I DIDN’T BRUSH OVER THE FOAM ROLLER. THE STUFF SANDS OFF REEL EASY YOU GOT TO WATCH NOT PUTTING ON TOO MUCH PRESSURE OR YOU WILL TAKE IT ALL OFF. AS FOR THE MICROLITE FILLER I USED A LOT OF THAT ON MY FAIRING PROJECT AND HAVE DONE SOME PRIMER WORK AND SOME PAINTING WITH STERLING I HAVE HAD NO BAD RESULTS YET WITH THE POSSIBLE INCOMPATIBLE PROBLEM. I THINK THAT THE PRIMER WOULD BE MORE THAN ENOUGH BARRIER BETWEEN THE FAIRING COMPOUND AND THE PAINT. IF I START SEEING ANY BAD RESULTS I WILL LET YOU KNOW. I HAVE KNOWN THE RECOMMENDATION OF USING ANOTHER LAYER OF EPOXY BUT TO DO THAT MEANS ANOTHER SANDING TO GET IT SMOTHE AND THAT STUFF IS NOT EASY TO GET FAIRED IT DOESN’T GO ON OR SAND OFF WELL. I WILL BE PAINTING FIRST COAT OF STERLING TOMORROW MORNING. I AM PAINTING IN MY GARAGE AND I WILL PUT A PLASTIC SHEET OVER THE TOP JUST TO KEEP THE POSSIBILITY OF DUST OFF.
HA SCOTT ON THE BATTERY PADS YOU BETTER CHECK THEM OUT REALLY WELL (IF IT WERE ME) I WOULD DRILL SOME HOLES IN THEM TO SEE IT THEY ARE DRY OR NOT. YOU CAN ALWAYS PLUG UP THE HOLES IF THEY ARE GOOD BUT IF THEY ARE SOGGY SALT WATER LOGGED THAT COULD CAUSE BLISTERING IN THE INSIDE OF THE BOAT LIKE TRADER GOT WITH HIS STRINGERS ON MY BOAT THE PREVIOUS OWNER DRILLED HOLES IN THEM TO MOUNT THE BATTERY’S AND WATER GOT IN THROUGH THOSE HOLES AND I HAD LAMINATED GLASS AND BLACK CRAP COMPOSITE NOW IS THE TIME TO CHECK IT OUT NOT LATER.
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Thanks for the follow up on the painting ....Hey good luck tomorrow ...hope all goes well!! will be waiting to see/hear how it comes out.

The other thing with the battery/stringer area...where did you drill to see if it was wet??? I would guess on the side of the stringer..If it is wet and needs to be replaced I think I would have some problems getting to that area.... as you know that platform/stringer extends all the way back to the transom...You had that area all open when you did the transom rebuild... right?? I dont know how , if I need to, I will get to that area (without doing what you had to do with the transom and all ).

Again Thanks for all the info!!!

Scott

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HA SCOTT
WELL I DID TWO HRS OF PAINTING TODAY ROLLER AND TIP. I USED A VERY SHORT NAP ROLLER AND A GOOD BRUSH. I HAD SOME SHORT NAP ROLLERS I BOUGHT SO I THOUGHT I WOULD USE ONE ON THE FIRST COAT TO SEE WHAT I THING. I FOUND OUT WHAT ONE PAINT GUY TOLD ME WAS RIGHT WHICH IS THAT THE ROLLERS IS ONLY A DELIVERY VEHICLE TO GET THE PAINT ONTO THE PROJECT AND THE BRUSH IS WHAT DOES THE REAL PAINTING. I ALSO FOUND THAT I STILL HAD A LINT PROBLEM EVEN THOUGH I CLEANED THE SURFACES WELL BEFORE I STARTED. I THINK FOR THE FINISH COAT I WILL USE A FOAM ROLLER (NO LINT ON IT) AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. I WILL PROBABLY STILL USE THESE SHORT NAP ROLLER COVERS FOR THE NO SKID WORK. I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO CHECKING OUT WHAT I DID WHEN I GET HOME TODAY. PAINTING THE STUFF IS NOT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN PAINTING ANY OTHER PAINT WHEN YOU GET INTO IT. THEY DO SAY THAT THIS PAINT DOESN’T HADE IMPERFECTIONS BUT SHOWS THEM IS A ACCURATE STATEMENT. IF THE PRIMER HIDES THE PROBLEM YOU ARE OK IF THE PRIMER DOESN’T HADE THE PROBLEM THE PAINT WILL NOT ETHER.
I DID DRILL HOLES ON THE SIDES OF THE STRINGERS AS CLOSE TO THE HULL AS POSSIBLE. AS FOR THE BATTERY PLATFORM YOU ARE RIGHT TO GET IS ALL REMOVED YOU DO NEED ACCESS. I STARTED BY TESTING UNDER WHERE THE BATTERY’S SAT WHEN I FOUND A BIG PROBLEM I STARTED REMOVING IT. I DID GET ALL THE WAY BACK THERE BUT WHEN I REMOVED THE TWO HATCHES AND LIVE WELL IT OPENED THAT AREA AND I CLEANED IT UP AT THAT TIME.
TALK TO YOU LATER
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What area of the boat did you start with??? and what color?

Thanks for the info on the stringer I guess I'll start pokin' holes in the thing....hoppe I come up dry but somehow I dont think I will.

Scott

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HA SCOTT
I DID THOSE PIECES I TOOK OFF THE BOAT. CENTER CONSOL TWO LARGE HATCH COVERS TWO SMALL HATCH COVERS THE ELECTRICAL BOX AND THE HATCH THAT GIVES YOU ACCESS UNDER THE FRONT CASTING PLATFORM TO THE HULL. I PAINTED WITH A SNOW WHITE I WILL PAINT THE INSIDE OF THE BOAT WITH WHITE THE SIDES IN A FOAM VERY LIGHT GREEN BLUE AND THE BOTTOM IN WHITE.
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Cannot wait to see the end results!!!!

Thats going to look SWEET [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]