Re: 23 vs Moesly 21 Ride
 

This is a quote from the MAN...Carl Moesly


Now if I could get mine done I could tell you what I thought :rolleyes:

Re: 23 vs Moesly 21 Ride
 

Thanks for the input guys,
seems we're still compromising. Softer ride = more wetness... didn't expect that. I'd rather take a few bumps than be saturated, I guess. 1 vote for Big Lew's opinion.

Mr Moesly's words are interesting. Clearly, he WOULD have done things differently, don't know what, but...

I'd love to see some pictures of Unohu's skipper in the mask and snorkel. Classic SeaCraft!

Is Brian still planning on popping some hulls of the salvaged 21?

-Gillie

Re: 23 vs Moesly 21 Ride
 

Gillie - I can see how you might not like getting wet if it's 50 degree water! On the other hand, if it's 85 degree water (and you're a diver already wearing a mask :D), and you're making a 10 hr run to the Abaco's thru 2-3' square waves on the Little Bahama Bank, trust me, even a SMALL improvement in ride is a VERY big deal! My boat seemed to think it was 3' longer after I added trim tabs! Denny

Re: 23 vs Moesly 21 Ride
 

And no one who has not made an 8+ hour run offshore in a powerboat has any idea!!!

I made a run to Chub Cay in the 80's with a friend in his 25' Robalo. After 3 hours out of St. Lucie, even though the seas were only 2-3', we pulled it back from 28-30 mph, to 18-20 mph. We felt like our spine had been compressed.

Here's the analaogy: Dropping 5 feet (3' seas equal 4'10" wave height) while standing at a center console loads up to a momentary 1.4-1.5 G's onto your spine, legs, and feet. For a 200 lb man, that's like somebody dropping an 80-100 lb sack of feed onto you shoulders for a second, before you shrug it off, then doing it all over again. Now do that every 3-4 seconds (15-20 times per minute, 900-1200 times per hour) for hours on end.

With a softer ride, you get a lower rate of deceleration, and less G-loading. Metaphorically speaking, you're still getting a sack of feed dumped on your shoulders, but it's a smaller, lighter sack.

That's why a soft ride is so important offshore.

Re: 23 vs Moesly 21 Ride
 

Carl said the same thing after he approached Johnny Morris about improving the original designs from the 60's. I guess some may not have enough vision to see that it can be better. Carl knows exactly what to do to make each vessel better depending on it's intended use although he never really had the chance to perfect his concepts. The man is a genius! Anyway, I'll take a 21 over a 23 any day...

Re: 23 vs Moesly 21 Ride
 

Amen to that Fr. Frank! I often felt a few inches shorter after some of those trips! :D

Re: 23 vs Moesly 21 Ride
 

The sack metaphor is right on target. You get so tired after 5 or 6 hours, much less 8, that you are too numb to see straight. Going from a 24 seabird to a 25 seafari is like going from a 100 lb sack to a 10 lb sack, just heavenly.

On wet boats, you can look at a 21 vs a 23 and see why the 21 would be wetter, but here is something I can't figure out. The 25 seafari is almost as sharp as the 21 and has little flare in the bow. It looks like a wet boat, yet is astonishingly dry, even in a pretty good crosswind.

Anybody have any idea why?

Re: 23 vs Moesly 21 Ride
 

Every one is saying the 21 is a wet boat...I think this is a relative term.

Hopefully 3rdday will check in.

If it is blowing like stink and you have a quartering wind I believe any boat will be wet.

My definition of wet is if you are head sea at cruising speed and you are getting wet...then you have a wet boat.
If you are busting waves any boat will be wet.

Re: 23 vs Moesly 21 Ride
 

If you're running fast enough the water won't be able to catch you...

Re: 23 vs Moesly 21 Ride
 

What's the saying?

Something like, there are two kinds of boats out there, wet boats and wet boats with enclosures.