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Fellow-Ship
Dont blame you one bit for not wanting to get under there and have all those paintchips falling in you face.....good point about the vapor thing with the strippers.....wonder why I felt so good the day I did that work [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] ... But really on a serious note when I start playing with that stuff .. even sanding … I use a respirator with dust and vapor cartridges

While I cant speak from experience on what to use for painting.... I will say that in all the conversations I have had with Awlgrip and Sterling they have both recommended the use of foam at least for the application of the paint.....Thing thats good is that you have seen good results using the other roller..so when you use the foam you should get super results [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] I'm sure its going to look great!!
Scott

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HA SCOTT
WHEN I WAS DOING THE EPOXY WORK A GRINDER AND THE ORBITAL SANDER WAS THE BEST WAY TO GO. NOW ORBITAL SANDER AND HAND SANDING WITH AND WITH OUT A BLOCK IS THE WAY TO GO. ON THE BOTTOM WILL BE A ORBITAL SANDER WITH 150 GRIT AND ON THE PAINT AND PRIMER 220 GRIT.
ON THE BOTTOM PAINT JOB I DON’T KNOW HOW OLD IT WAS ALL I KNOW IS I WANTED IT OFF AND I DIDN’T WANT TO DO IT MYSELF. I FIGURED ANYTHING THAT WOULD KEEP A BARNACLE OFF THE BOTTOM OF A BOAT IN NOTHING I WANTED TO BE UPSIDE DOWN AND INHALING. PLUS I HEARD OF A GUY GETTING TO MUCH OF THE VAPORS FROM THE BOTTOM PAINT REMOVER IN HIM AND HE WENT OFF TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM.
THE PITTING ON THE BOTTOM CAME FROM THE PROCESS OF REMOVING THE PAINT THROUGH THE BAKING SODA BLAST PLUS THEY RUFF UP THE BOTTOM FIRST BEFORE THEY PUT BOTTOM PAINT ON AND OF COURSE 25 YR OLD GEL COAT CONDITION.
ON THE HATCHES & CENTER CONSOL THEY CAME OUT VERY GOOD WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SOME DUST MIXED IN THE PAINT BY THE ROLLER COVERS WILL ONLY USE FOAM ON THE PAINT FOR NOW ON. I WILL PROBABLY STILL USE THE NAP COVERS FOR THE PRIMER COAT.
TALK TO YOU LATER.
FELLOW-SHIP [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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PROGRESS REPORT
THIS WEEKEND I PRIMMERED THE ENTIRE INSIDE OF THE BOAT THEN SANDED THE PRIMER AND THEN FINISHED FAIRING THE OUT SIDE OF THE HULL TO THE WATER LINE. NOW I WILL BE ABLE TO PAINT THE INSIDE WITH THE FIRST COAT AND PRIMER THE OUTSIDE OF THE HULL. IT IS STARTING TO LOOK LIKE A BOAT AGAIN. WILL BE PICKING UP MY PICTURES OF THE UGLY DUCKLING STAGES OF THE BOAT TODAY SO I WILL SEND THEN SOON. I TOLD THE YAMAHA GUYS I WILL BE HAVING THEM INSTALL THE 225 IN ONE MONTH. I NEED TO GET THE PAINTING DONE AT LEAST TO THE WATER LINE FOR THEM TO DO THEIR THING.
OH SCOTT
I USED A NAP ROLLER COVER ON THE PRIMER THAT WORKS JUST FINE. WHAT I DID WAS TAKE SOME MASKING TAPE AND GO OVER THE ROLLER COVER TO REMOVE ANY LINT, BOY THAT HAS BEEN MY PROBLEM. I GOT TONS ON LINT OFF THE ROLLER. I FIGURED ON THE PRIMER THIS WOULD NOT BE A ISSUE BUT ON THE PAINT ONLY FOAM ROLLER COVERS FOR ME.
FELLOW-SHIP [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

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Hey Fellow-Ship

Glad to hear things are moving along!!! Looking forward to the pictures...

Some paint questions for you ...

Who did you get the paint from?....seems I can go direct to the distributor or West Marine can get it for me.. Stuff is a tad expensive [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img] 275- 350 a gallon depending on the color I pick ( and of course I have to find a color that not on the chart!!)....even the white is up there in price

How much did you buy for Topside/deck...how much for the hull?? I'll be putting bottom paint on so the bottom will not get painted.

Are you using the Low VOC Primers (94U-1000)and Catalysts? I was told by Sterling that they brush out really well...whats your spin on this

Thanks
Scott

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HA SCOTT
I BOUGH THE PAINT FROM BOAT OWNERS WAREHOUSE HERE IN FORT LAUDERDALE. I GOT 1 GAL PRIMER AND ½ GAL CATALYST WITH ONE GAL OF SNOW WHITE AND ½ GAL CATALYST FOR IT PLUS 2 QT OF BLUE MIST WITH ONE QT. SIZE NON SKID SOME TAPE AND MIXING STUFF FOR ABOUT $650.00. I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK FOR THE EXACT AMOUNT. REMEMBER WHEN YOU BUY A GAL YOU ARE GETTING 1 &1/2 GAL. TOTAL PAINT WHEN YOU MIX IT TOGETHER. I USED ABOUT ¾ OF A GAL PRIMER TO DO THE INSIDE OF THE BOAT. I WILL BUY ANOTHER GAL OF PRIMER I AM USING THE OFF WHITE PRIMER AND CATALYST. I DON’T REMEMBER THE # ON IT I THING IT WAS THE P 1000 AND U 1000 NOT SURE BUT IT IS IN THERE BROCHURE. AS FOR THE APPLICATION IT ROLES ON VERY WELL I DON’T CARE FOR THE BRUSHING APPROACH AND ONLY USE IT IN PLACES THAT THE ROLER DOES NOT FIT INTO. WHEN YOU USE A BRUSH IT STREAKS IT AND THEN THERE IS MORE TO SANDING. BUT WHEN YOU ROLE IT ON IT GOES ON PRETTY WELL AND THERE IS LESS TO SAND AND YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I LOVE TO SAND. OH BY THE WAY IT IS REALLY EASY TO SAND OFF NOT LIKE EPOXY MORE LIKE CHALK I USED 220 GRIT PAPER AND IT WORKED GREAT. I JUST DID A LIGHT SANDING ON THE NOW SKID AREA BECAUSE YOU WANT THAT RUFF ANYWAY. ON THE REST OF THE BOAT I SPENT MORE TIME TO GET IT SMOTHER. ALL IN ALL I WAS HAPPY WITH THE RESULTS AND FEEL LIKE IT CAME OUT PRETTY GOOD. WHAT EVER IT COSTS IS A LOT CHEEPER THAT $5 TO 6 GRAND.
FELLOW-SHIP [img]images/icons/cool.gif[/img]

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Fellow-ship
Thank you for the follow up,,,I may need to talk to you more about the paint and cost of materials. I figured out what it was going to run me to get the primer/paint etc and for about the same quantity of material I'm looking at almost double what you paid...I'll grant you that you are in a more boat rich environment than I am up here...It seems that everything down south is much cheaper...I'm sure due to competition (like having the boat painted). You hit the nail on the head about the cost of having it done by someone vs. doing it yourself ...for me up here I'm looking at 3,500 just to have the hull painted and thats the easier of the two to paint...as you have found out first hand by doing all the prep work on the inside...

By the way...in prepping the hull have you noticed any "weave" showing through?? (as you look down the hull at an angle can you see the weaving pattern from the fiberglass mat) If you did ...are you going to correct it and how will you do that(high build primer???) I have seen this in some paint jobs .... and so naturally the cost can be driven by this type of correction and prep work...I've even seen a boat where the old name outline was readable through a paint job(that was done "professionally”…. I think I would have had a few words and a new paint job from that guy) It was a dark green so you could see every imperfection in the hull that wasnt properly taken care of.

Well I'll be in touch
Scott

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HA SCOTT
I PULLED MY INVOICE AND HERE IS THE SCOOP ON THE PRICES.
BOAT OWNERS WAREHOUSE. PHONE #954 522 7998
ONE GAL OF SNOW WHITE $127.80
½ GAL OF CATALYST $145.80
ONE GAL OF PRIMER U1000 $111.60
½ GAL PRIMER CATALYST $76.50
BLUE MIST PER QT. $45.00
NON SKID $ 26.10
THEY WOULD PROBABLY SHIP IT TO YOU. GIVE THEM A CALL.
AS FOR THE SIDES OF THE BOAT I HAVEN’T NOTICED MUCH OF THE GLASS SHOWING THROUGH THE GEL COAT IF IS DOES I HOPE THE PRIMER WOULD TAKE CARE OF IT. AT THIS POINT OF TIME NOW 11 MONTHS ON THE PROJECT I AM LOOKING TO GET DONE ASAP. WANT TO FISH MORE THAT BEING A BOAT BUILDER.
FELLOW-SHIP [img]images/icons/cool.gif[/img]

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THANK YOU SIR!!!!!! [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

I cant believe the price difference ...Everything is more than 50% less than what I've been quoted for...Thats great...

Do I need to speak to anyone specific or not?? .. I hope they ship....

Fellow-Ship
Thank you again for looking that stuff up...you made me real happy [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] Now I just have to get the boat to the painting stage!!

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HA SCOTT
I THOUGHT I WOULD GIVE YOU MY WEEKEND PAINTING REPORT. I HADE A PRODUCTIVE WEEKEND I WAS ABLE TO PAINT THE ENTIRE INSIDE OF THE BOAT WITH ITS FIRST COAT OF TOP SIDE PAINT, PLUS I WAS ABLE TO PAINT THE SIDES OF THE BOAT WITH PRIMER. ALL IN ALL IT COME OUT PRETTY GOOD. I EVEN GOT SOME COMPLEMENTS ABOUT THE JOB WHICH I QUICKLY GAVE THE CREDIT TO THE PAINT AND NOT THE PAINTER.
I USED THE NAP COVERS ON THE PRIMER WHICH I LIKE THE BEST FOR THE PRIMER COAT. IT GOES ON SMOOTH AND THICK ENOUGH THAT YOU HARDLY HAVE TO DO ANYTHING ELSE WITH IT. THE PRIMER IS THE KEY TO THIS THING USING ENOUGH AND GETTING IN ON RIGHT. AS FOR THE TOP COAT FOAM IS THE WAY TO GO AND IF YOU WAIT THE 30 TO 45 MINUTES AS THEY RECOMMEND THE PAINT IS JUST THICK ENOUGH THAT IT GOES ON NICE AND SMOOTH WITH NO RUNS. IT ALSO CAME OUT VERY WELL I FEEL LIKE I WILL BE ABLE TO PULL THIS THING OFF WITH THE ROLLER AND TIP METHOD. I AM PAINTING OUTSIDE AND THAT IS MY BIGGEST CONCERN. I AM THINKING ON MOVING THE BOAT TO PAINT THE FINAL COAT BOTH INSIDE AND OUT TO A AREA THAT I CAN CONTROL THE WIND AND DUST AND RAIN BETTER. NEXT WEEKEND I GET TO START SANDING AGAIN (OH BOY) NEED TO SAND THE PRIMER WITH 220 AND THE TOP COAT WITH 320 THEN I CAN PUT THE NON SKIT DOWN AND THE REST OF THE STUFF. I BOUGHT A SECOND GAL OF PRIMER TO FINISH OFF THE REST OF THE BOAT WITH I SHOULD HAVE SOME LEFT OVER OF THAT. WE WILL SEE.
FELLOW-SHIP [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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Fellow-Ship
Whats the word on the paint job....I figure you either decided to keep it red.....or you bought to many new toys at the marine trade show and didnt have time to paint [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]

But anyhow .... WOW nice deal on those rod holder!!! like I said I thought I did good...Looks like you got some really good deals

Oh yeah I like the name!!!

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WELL THIS WEEKEND SURE WAS FUN I GOT TO WET SAND, SAND, SAND, SAND, SAND, SAND, THEN SUNDAY I REALLY HAD LOTS MORE FUN BY ORBITAL SAND, SAND, SAND, SAND, SAND, SAND. TODAY I GOT UP AT 5:30 SO I COULD WET SAND, SAND, SAND BEFORE WORK. DURING THE WEEK I WILL PAINT THE FINAL COAT (I THINK) ON THE CENTER CONSOL AND ALL THE HATCHES. SO THIS COMING WEEKEND I CAN PAINT, PAINT, PAINT THE BOAT. OH BUY THE WAY I AM COMING UP ON BY 1 YEAR ANNIVERSARY. I KNOW THINGS WILL BE BETTER THIS YEAR SINCE I AM RUNNING OUT OF THINGS TO SAND, AND FIX.
FELLOW-SHIP [img]images/icons/frown.gif[/img]

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Fellow-Ship

Problems??? or just alot of sanding in irregular areas of the inside of the boat....How did the first coat come out on the inside??? How bad is the wet sanding process with the paint....I would guess and hope (from durability standpoint) that it was a pretty tough surface to sand....Also sounds like up to and through the primer coat its not that miserable a process......but it sounds like the paint may be a different story.... [img]images/icons/confused.gif[/img]

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HA SCOTT
NO PROBLEMS JUST COMPLAINTS TIRED IF SANDING. IT’S COMING OUT JUST FINE, IT IS JUST A LOT OF WORKKKKKKK. THE FIRST COAT CAME OUT VERY GOOD I EVEN GET AT LEAST 2 PEOPLE A DAY STOPPING BUY AND CHECKING OUT THE WORK TELLING ME HOW GOOD IT LOOKS. ALTHOUGH NO ONE HAS PICKED UP A PIECE OF SAND PAPER YET THEY ARE A CONTINUES SOURCE OF ENCOURAGEMENT TO ME. THE WET SANDING IS NOT BAD KEEPS DOWN THE DUST AND IT GOES FAIRLY SMOOTHLY. THE PAINTING PROCESS IS NOT BAD EITHER I AM STARTING TO GET A FEEL FOR IT AND NOW HAVE SOME CONFIDENCE ABOUT THE WHOLE THING. I SEE THAT YOU ARE A FISHING ROD BUILDER I ALSO DO THAT AS WELL GOT STARTED WHEN I WAS 14 YRS OLD AND HAVEN’T STOPPED YET. I DON’T SELL MY STUFF NO ONE COULD AFFORD ME. BUT I HAVE BUILD ABOUT 100 TO 150 IN MY LIFE SOME FOR FRIENDS AND MYSELF ONLY DO GRAPHITE RODS NOW. I SURE AM GLAD THERE IS ONE OR TWO OF US LEFT ON THIS PLANET AS CRAZY AS ME WHO LOVE SEACRAFT AND BUILD FISHING RODS.
FELLOW-SHIP

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Fellow-Ship
Well I'm glad its coming out ..... you make me feel more comfortable going into it!!!

Yup I guess we are a gluten for punishment building rods and fixing boats.....wouldnt have it any other way!!!!

I dont sell the rods either....Its not worth it cause I would not make anything on the rods...Like you I'll make them for friends and such...but nothing more than that...too many good rod builders out there...Heck I think you've seen on this sight alone theres a couple of us building.... Steve JohnR yourself and I'm sure others.

Glad to hear the painting is coming out good!! [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]
Scott

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Fellow-ship:

Three cheers for Fellow ship. For doing the work of ten men. A man after my own heart. Keep up the GOOD WORK. ya done good. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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HA STEVE
THANKS FOR THE ENCOURAGEMENT. TODAY I GOT UP AGAIN AT 5:30 TO DO SOME PAINTING. DID THE FINAL COAT ON THE TWO HATCHES IN THE STERN OF THE BOAT THE TWO BIG HATCHES IN THE BOW OF THE BOAT (EXCEPT FOR THE NON SKID) ALSO DID THE LAST COAT ON THE CENTER CONSOL PLUS I DID THE BIG DECK PLATE THAT FITS OVER THE GAS TANK AREA WILL HAVE TO NON SKID THAT ONE ALSO. MADE IT TO WORK A LITTLE LATE BUT WAS OK. AT LUNCH TIME I WILL GO TO HOME DEPO FOR SOME MORE STUFF AND ON AND ON AND ON. I GOT A TIME CLOCK TICKING NOW ON SPLASHING THE BOAT I AM GOING TO THE KEYS JUNE 1ST FOR A WEEK GOT THE ROOM AND RESERVED A SLIP FOR THE BOAT. AFTER 51 WEEKS OF PROJECT AND $25 TO 27 GRAND SPENT I WOULD LIKE TO USE IT. I SURE WOULD BE BUMMED OUT IF I GO DOWN TO THE KEYS JUST TO LOOK AT THE OCEAN FOR A WEEK.
FELLOW-SHIP [img]images/icons/mad.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]

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HA STEVE
I AGREE I DON’T MIND SPENDING THE $$$ AND EVEN THE TIME ON SOMETHING I WILL KEEP AND USE HOPEFULLY ALL MY LIFE. I JUST WANT TO BE ON THE WATER AND NOT IN THE YARD. I TELL EVERYONE I HAVE BEEN BOATING THIS WHOLE YEAR I JUST HAVEN’T GOT TO THE WATER YET.
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Fellow ship:
Glad to see you haven't lost your sense of hummer in all of this hard work that your doing. Most people would have rolled over dead by now. BRAVO!

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Fellow-ship:
I will tell you just what the others had told me, you just wait, your going to LOVE it.ALL that $ you have spent on that boat will be forgotten about with the first ride. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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Fellow-Ship

Two questions for you ....or anyone else

Did you sand away all the original non-skid ... I cant remember if you did or did not???

Second...The forward bulkhead that makes the anchor locker....What did you do with that?? I've been told that the Formica can cause adhesion problems with the paint???

I want to replace mine ... but dont know if it can come out/ go back in... in one piece...to be replaced with something like Starboard...

Anyone have any experience with this???

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HA SCOTT
THE NON SKID ON THE TWO BIG HATCH COVERS I TOOK A BELT SANDER AND SANDED IT DOWN TO MAKE A FLAT SURFACE. I THROUGH AWAY ALL THE OTHER NON SKIT ON THE DECK INCLUDING THE DECK ABOVE THE GAS TANK AND REPLACED IT WITH PLYWOOD AND ONE LAYER OF NEW 6 OZ GLASS AND ONE LAYER OF MATT GLASS PLUS FAIRING COMPOUND PRIMER AND THEN (STILL DOING THE) TWO COATS OF PAINT. AS FOR THAT SMALL ROPE STORAGE COMPARTMENT FORMICA PIECE WHEN I REMOVED THE CAP I REMOVED IT AND USED IT AS A STENCIL TO MAKE A ¾ “ PLYWOOD REPLACEMENT PIECE GLASSED BOTH SIDES FAIRED AND PAINTED IT. THEN I REPLACED IT FULLY COMPLETED BEFORE I PUT THE CAP BACK ON THE BOAT. IT ONLY HAS TWO BIG SCREWS HOLDING IT THERE. THAT FORMICA PIECE WAS DRY ROTTED AT THE BOTTOM AND WAS SHOT LIKE EVERY THING ELSE IN THE BOAT. I DON’T LEAVE MUCH OF THE ORIGINAL WOOD IN THE BOAT MAYBE ONE OR TWO SMALL PIECES NOT MUCH. I EVEN TOOK OUT THE WOOD IN THE CENTER CONSOL (BULK HEAD) AND THAT SHELF AND REPLACED THE BULKHEAD WITH A PIECE OF ½ PLYWOOD LAMINATED BOTH SIDES AND GLASSED TO THE SIDES OF THE CENTER CONSOL. WHEN I GET TOTALLY DONE I WILL TAKE PICTURES TO SHOW YOU GUYS. TODAY I REAMED OUT THE TWO LITTLE HOLES THAT HELP YOU PICK UP THOSE TWO SMALL HATCH COVERS IN THE BACK OF THE BOAT AND PUT TO FLUSH MOUNT HATCH COVERS LIFTS WHERE THE HOLES WERE. I HOPE I WILL BE ABLE TO PAINT THE BOAT THIS WEEKEND SO I CAN START PUTTING SOME OF THE PIECES BACK TOGETHER AGAIN. I GOT A GUY THAT SAID HE WOULD CALL ME ABOUT A QUOTE TO SPRAY GEL COAT ON THE BOTTOM OF THE BOAT IF THE PRICE IS RIGHT I AM GOING TO LET HIM DO IT NEXT WEEK I WILL SAND IT SMOOTH AND BUFF IT OUT HE WILL JUST DO ANY FAIRING ON THE BOTTOM AND SPRAY. IT WOULD SAVE ME SOME TIME AND I DON’T LIKE TO DO LOTS OF WORK ON MY BACK WORKING UPWARDS MY SHOULDERS PAY THE PRICE.
WELL HAPPY SANDING
FELLOW-SHIP [img]images/icons/cool.gif[/img]

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That's cheating ... removing the cap!!! [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

I think I'm going to have a time getting mine out.

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Fellow-ship:
would you mind telling me as to about what one may pay for a 23 like yours, lots around or did you have ta hunt around for some time before you found that one.

thanks steve

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HA STEVE
I SEARCHED FOR A “HULL ONLY” DEAL FOR ABOUT 6-8 MONTHS. I FELT I WANTED TO START WITH THE HULL AND PUT NEW FROM THERE. MOST SEACRAFTS 20 PLUS YEARS OLD HAVE OLDER TRAILERS, LEANING POSTS, MOTORS, T-TOPS & ELECTRONICS ON THEM. I DIDN’T WANT TO BUY ALL THAT OLD STUFF JUST TO SELL OFF ALL OR MOST OF IT SO I COULD GET THE HULL. I FINALLY GOT WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR JUST THE HULL ON A 77 FOR $4,000. THE PREVIOUS OWNER KEPT THE REST AND USED IT OR SOLD IT OFF. I HAVE RE DID EVERYTHING SO FAR WITH NEW. DID THE DECK, GAS TANK FLOOR, CAP AND TRANSOM THE ONLY THING I DIDN’T HAVE TO DO WAS THE STRINGERS. PUT EVERYTHING TOGETHER WITH WEST EPOXY PROBABLY 10 GALLONS OF THE STUFF. NOW NEW 225 YAMAHA, NEW TRAILER, NEW ELECTRONICS, NEW LEANING POST, NEW T- TOP NEW GAS TANK, NEW, NEW, NEW. SO FAR I AM AT ABOUT $25,000 PROBABLY WILL FINISH OFF AT AROUND $27 TO $30 WHEN I GET DONE. I HAVE A FRIEND THAT JUST GOT A QUOTE ON A NEW SEACRAFT BOAT FROM OUTDOOR WORLD NO ELECTRONICS, NO MOTOR OR TRAILER. BUT I THINK T-TOP AND LEANING POST FOR $30,000. AS WE KNOW A NEW ONE WOULD COST APPROX $50 TO $60 GRAND NOW A DAYS WHEN YOU GET DONE. I AM IN AT ABOUT 50% WITH ALL NEW. I KNOW I COULD HAVE SHOPPED A USED RIG FOR ABOUT $20,000 BUT A TOTALLY RE DONE 77 WAS MORE WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. I WOULDN’T LIKE TO SPEND $20 AND THEN IN 6 MONTH OR SO KNOW I WOULD HAVE TO REBUILD A ENGINE OR FIND OUT THIS OR THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
FELLOW-SHIP [img]images/icons/cool.gif[/img]

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I had my boat painted 2 years ago, used Awl grip and I really like it. It cleans off very easy light scrubbing.Iwas going to try to do it myself but I did'nt have the tools. I've seen boats that have been rolled and they look good, but you have to know what your doing.It cost me about 4,000.The guy did a great job but I would recommend him to no one,He took 4 months instead of the 1 month he promised. The guy the did my full transom in Stuart Fla.also awl grips.RS

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HA REAL SNOOK
BELIEVE ME I’M NO PAINTER IT’S THE PREP WORK AND THE PAINT ITSELF THAT MAKES THE DIFFERENCE. THE ONLY THING I EVER PAINTED WAS MY HOUSE A FEW TIMES. IF YOU READ THE INSTRUCTIONS AND SAND, SAND, SAND, PREP, PRIMER, MORE SANDING, PAINT, MORE SANDING, AND PAINT AGAIN IT COMES OUT PRETTY GOOD. I THINK THE IDEA OF PAINTING WITH A ROLLER AND BRUSH SPOOKS US ALL AT FIRST. BUT IF YOU CAN BE PATIENT AND START OFF SLOW YOU CAN DO IT YOURSELF AND SAVE TONS OF $$$$ MY JOB WILL COST ABOUT $800 OR SO AND SAME ME $4-5 THOUSAND ON TOP OF THAT. YOU CAN PRACTICE ON SOMETHING THAT DOESN’T MAKE TO MUCH DIFFERENCE PAINT IT AND SEE HOW IT GOES. I STARTED PAINTING THE INSIDE OF HATCHES THEN THE OUT SIDE OF HATCHES, THEN THE CENTER CONSOLE THEN THE INSIDE OF THE BOAT AND THEN THE OUTSIDE. ALL GAVE ME MORE AN MORE EXPERIENCE AND CONFIDENCE IN “I CAN DO THIS” I EVEN HAD A GUY YESTER DAY STOP BY AND GIVE ME A QUOTE TO GEL COAT THE BOTTOM OF THE BOAT ( A JOB I AM WILLING TO PAY SOME ONE ELSE TO DO ) NOW THIS GUY PAINTS AND GEL COATS FOR A LIVING AND HE DIDN’T HAVE ANY NEGATIVE COMMENTS ABOUT MY PAINT JOB. (I CONSIDERED THAT A COMPLEMENT) SHOOT EVEN MY WIFE GAVE ME A COMPLEMENT YESTERDAY. BELIEVE ME THAT’S AS RARE AS HEN’S TEETH. JUST REMEMBER IF YOU DON’T LIKE THE FINAL LAST COAT ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS SAND, SAND, SAND, IT SMOOTH THEN CALL UP THE PAINTER YOU KNOW AND ASK HIM HOW MUCH WILL IT COST TO SHOOT THE LAST COAT ON THE BOAT. I BET IT WOULD BE MUCH.
FELLOW-SHIP [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

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OK GUYS THERE IS THE PROGRESS REPORT THIS WEEKEND I HAD GREAT WEATHER “I EVEN PRAYED OH GOD DON’T LET IT RAIN” ANYWAY I WAS ABLE TO PAINT THE FINAL COATS OF PAINT ON THE INSIDE OF THE BOAT BOTH THE GLOSSY PARTS AND THE NONSKID. IT CAME OUT PRETTY GOOD I AM VERY HAPPY WITH THE JOB. I ALSO WAS ABLE TO PAINT THE FIRST COAT ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BOAT AND IT CAME OUT LOOKING GREAT. SO THIS WEEKEND I WILL BE ABLE TO SAND, SAND, SAND AND MAYBE ON SUNDAY BE ABLE TO PAINT THE FINAL COAT ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BOAT. I DECIDE TO HAVE THE BOTTOM GEL COATED AND WILL DROP OFF THE BOAT TO GET THAT DONE. AFTER CONSIDERING ALL FACTORS (FOR ME) GEL COATING THE BOTTOM MAKES A LOT OF SENSE ESPECIALLY WHEN SOME ONE ELSE IS GOING TO DO IT. I DON’T HAVE ANY MEANS TO TAKE THE BOAT OFF THE TRAILER TO WORK ON IT, AND AT A MARINA THEY WANT BOATS IN AND OUT NOT REALLY WANTING WEEKENDERS TYING UP THERE SPACE.
FELLOW-SHIP [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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PROGRESS REPORT
I GOT MY BOTTOM GEL COATED LAST WEEK I HAD A GUY DO THE FAIRING AND THEN PUT 2 GAL OF GEL COAT ON THE BOTTOM. I NOW GOT A LOT OF SANDING TO DO. I ALSO PUT THE THIRD COAT OF PAINT ON THE CENTER CONSOL, AND PAINTED THE HULL WITH THE SECOND COAT. IT CAME OUT LOOKING VERY GOOD AND WAS PLANNING ON THAT BEING THE LAST COAT ON THE OUTSIDE UNTIL A CAT JUMPED UP AT THE TRANSOM AND OFF THE SIDE JUST AT THE WORST TIME POSSIBLE. I TRIED TO FIX IT BUT WITH TACKY PAINT THAT ONLY MAKES THINGS WORSE. NEEDLESS TO SAY I NOW HAVE DECIDED TO GIVE THE OUT SIDE OF THE BOAT A THIRD COAT. I HAD A PROFESSIONAL PAINTER COMPLEMENT ME ON HOW GOOD IT LOOKED, YOU REALLY CAN’T TELL THE DIFFERENCE FROM ROLE AND TIP AND SPRAYING THE BOAT “IT’S THAT GOOD”. I HAVE STARTED PUTTING THINGS BACK TOGETHER AGAIN. I HAVE A DEADLINE OF JUNE THE FIRST TO GO TO THE KEYS AND I AM DOING THE MAJOR THINGS NOW. I WILL HAVE TO DO SOME OF THE COSMETIC WORK WHEN I GET BACK.
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Fellow-Ship
You know I want to see Pictures.....I'll be getting close to having to make the leap of fate soon (painting).....unless I go the bracket route....which just may happen....(seems the most logical way to ensure my transom stays where its suppose to without rebuilding it....plus I get some deck space back!!!)

Jason's got me thinking about Gel coat...OH NO!! [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]

Jason ... Where you able to do the gel coat work this weekend??? How did it come out!!!

[ April 29, 2002, 01:44 PM: Message edited by: Scott ]

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HA SCOTT
YOU WILL HAVE TO WAIT ON THOSE PICTURES FOR A WHILE I HAVE TAKEN SOME BUT UNTIL THE BOAT IS DONE I AM GOING TO HOLD OFF ON SENDING MORE PICTURES IN. I DID GET CONVERTED ON THE BOTTOM TO GEL COAT IT SEEMS TO MAKE MORE SENSE FOR A TRAILER GUY LIKE MYSELF TO RE GEL COAT INSTEAD OF PAINT. YOU CAN FIX ANYTHING EASIER AND IT MAKES A BETTER BARRIER COAT TO THE SALT WATER THEN PAINT. SCOTT YOU DON’T HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT PAINTING YOUR BOAT OR NOT MINE CAME OUT NOT BAD AT ALL. THIS LAST COAT ON THE HULL REALLY LOOKS VERY GOOD I HAVE SEEN MORE ORANGE PEAL ON SPRAY JOBS THAT WHAT I GOT ON MY ROLLER, BRUSH METHOD IF IT WASN’T FOR THE CAT I DIDN’T EVEN NEED A THIRD COAT IT CAME OUT THAT GOOD. I THINK SPRAYING IS A GREAT METHOD OF PUTTING PAINT ON MORE FOR THE TIME FACTOR AND NOT THE QUALITY OF THE JOB. WHEN YOU SPRAY YOU PUT ALL THE COATS ON AT THE SAME TIME WITH ROLE TIP METHOD YOU HAVE TO SAND BETWEEN COATS. THE PREP WORK, PAINT AND A GOOD BRUSH REALLY MAKE THE DIFFERENCE.

HA JASON THANKS AGAIN FOR REMINDING ME ABOUT GEL COAT UNTIL YOUR THREAD I CONSIDERED GEL COAT FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION AND FOR PATCH WORK BUT NEVER THOUGHT OF USING IT AS A RE GEL COATING THE ENTIRE BOTTOM.
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Ken-

I wouldn't thank me untill you are done sanding and buffing that Gel-Coat [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] but in all seriousness I am glad you are happy with it. In hindsight, after seeing it on your bottom would you have considered it for the hull sides if you knew of it 4 mos ago? I am sure your painting has better luster but I am curious.

Scott- I am not Gel Coating until Memorial Day Weekend. Still installing electronics on buddies boat, and this darn weather is killing our progress!!!.

Re: Painting
 

HA JASON
I LIKE HOW THE PAINT HAS COME OUT ON THE SIDES AND INSIDE OF THE BOAT AND WOULD DO IT AGAIN THE SAME WAY. I REALLY LIKE RE GEL COATING THE BOTTOM FOR ALL THE ABOVE REASONS BUT A NICE PAINT JOB LOOKS GREAT AND IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT YOU ALWAYS CAN PUT ANOTHER COAT ON.
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