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He He love that last picture...cant remember if that's you or me in that picture but I have a feeling it's you because I don't think my ears are that big :D
I had a feeling you would fill that shop with black motors and it took less then a week! The bracket looks good and it looks like you are trying a few different things like the flange on the tub. How thick is the fiberglass in the corners and sides? Looks paper thin in picture. Hermit you got insurance on that motor :D strick |
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Strick,
His ears aren't BIG! They look like kitty kat ears, but why is one on his forehead and other on the top of his head? :eek: :D |
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Thanks for the info and glad to know things are working out for you. And going back to my question.... coosa would probably had been your first choice for materials over wood if it had not been for the big difference in price? Strick, I also did notice that old picture....what gave it away was the California plate on the white jeep. :D :D :D |
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I don't have anyone taking pics of me now . . . so I slid that one in there. I do miss those weekends at strick's and I sure wish I had that head sock. Grinding without one in shorts and a tee shirt makes you really itchy. The Comanche has a MA plate now. I saw a 4x8 sheet of coosa at Composites One in Bristol, RI and I wasn't too impressed with the material. Core Cell seem like a tougher material (better compressive strength), but I am no expert. They are all probably fine. But . . . Marine Ply seems to last just fine for 30 years even with lots of holes.
Strick - Those walls are just shy of 1/2 thick and the corners are 3/4" all 1708. The lighting is so good in the garage that you can see right through the glass. |
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Welding cable is good but not for salt water. It is best to use tinned marine battery cable to keep corrosion down for less future trouble. Learned this one the hard way a few years ago by using car battery cables.
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Big- I was just razzing ya on the see through bracket... I know you done it right...I'll mail you that head sock :D Keep up the good work buddy! strick |
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Strick - I know you're bustin my balls . . . Wish you we're here to keep the momentum going. I tried a few new things like putting the ears on the bracket (where it was hard to mud) and then using the brad nailer to staple MDF on a flat MDF board for the swim platform. Other than the shape of the stringers . . . I think everything was business as usual. I added some of that super absorbent fiberglass cloth into the swim platform and that seems to have worked well. Couldn't find super-sculpy anywhere! Oh yeah I used Maguires car wax instead of Part-All and that worked well too. I got a joiner a while back and that helped cut some nice angles on the MDF. I used a neat little trick too to put a 13/14 degree angle on the front face of the swim platform.
Those Pallet Racks make Kick Arse 8ft long adjustable height work benches. Craigslist $25 uprights and $25 for a pair of rails. They can hold 5000 or 7000 lbs (can't remember which) which is about the same as that old folding card table :) |
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Tim is speeding up this resto by providing a key part that I was too chicken to try to build myself. :o :D On the cables I ran 2AWG tinned Anchor marine cable that I had. I would have made it to the transom if my buddy had not made bat cables for his truck last year . A carefully mounted bus bar(s) and my OMC cables should get me the rest of the way. I did look up the welding cable and it too was 2awg in size. |
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John - My cell phone went swimming again . . . I'll email you my work and home phone. The bracket looks great in the pics!! I am so happy that you took over and are hauling arse toward the finish line. Post some more pics when you have a chance. I was out fishing today in 20knt wind. The new lady friend turned green and blew chunks over the side . . . What a day!!
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Well….Bigshrimpin delivered big time on his end of “the deal”. I picked up the bracket last week and have been working away on the finishing. I will say Bigshrimpin is pimpin with his very nice shop. Bracket at Big’s shop :cool:: [IMG]http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...0697Medium.jpg Uh hum….the Hermit shop : http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...c/pic001-1.jpg http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...ncc/pic002.jpg After sanding and fairing and sanding and fairing and sanding the bracket has primer on it (did I mention sanding) Big...the sandpaper pile has been reduced by 1/3 and couting: http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...ncc/pic008.jpg http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...c/pic010-1.jpg http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...c/pic011-1.jpg My plan for the coating is 3 coats epoxy prime coat. 2 or 3 coats of perfection. Bottom paint where it belongs. All paints are 2 part and interlux says “fine” underwater. They recommend 5 coats. Still time to tweak this. Epinions? |
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That thing looks familiar! :D Did you glass the seam where the lid meets transom?
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Thanks Hermco!! - The lid was glassed on all the way around from the inside. We put 3 layers of 4" 1708 tape on the seem from the inside on the front and 2 on each side. I think the 2day resin head allows me to quickly forget how much work goes into these brackets. $792 materials + over 80 hours . . . that coupled with the fiberglass itch, 3 pairs of clothes (ruined), and the figerglass snow in the new shop . . . will stop me from doing another bracket.
John - It's looking great!! Keep me posted. Go blue with the bracket!! http://www.atlantictowers.com/atlantic/images/4183.jpg |
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Outside at the top of transom and cap joint has a tendency to get hairline cracks over time. I grind and glass this seam. Not structural in nature but if you used wood for core water can intrude over time and rot core.
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"Go blue with the bracket!!"
Well...that pic got me thinking....I went blue...1st coat went on and it looks great. 2 more to go. I copied Bonefish's tape job basically. Blue bracket white deck on platform. Hi Don. That artwork you do down in Stuart is truely inspiring. BUT..I think I killed Bigshrimpin with this project :o You should see him sand in his flip flops :D No wonder he itches all of the time. Big...I also added some glass on that seam/joint you told me to do (2 layers inside and out). With the platform core molds glassed in place the whole thing is SOLID and nothing short of impressive :D More pix soon...after that I'm going fishin. ;) |
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Hey John - Did you get that bracket on the boat? I'm dying to see pics :)
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Well..Thanks to your expert instructions...we pulled the template...pulled the level line...center line...and went with 4.5 inches above the keel. It looks great. It bolted right up perfect on the first try. Then my helpers cell phone rang and he split :D...I will glue/bolt this weekend and hang the motor :o It looks awesome. :D
Here are some pix....she has been named too. http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...ncc/pic021.jpg http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...c/pic022-1.jpg http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...ncc/pic023.jpg You can see I had to bail on the boot stripe on the transom. I may do some delatil on the end of it but for now it was just moved out of the way. It kills me I have to cover 3 coats primer and 3 coats Signature finish with bottom paint....most of it will be black in the end...but the bracket has a good coating on her. |
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Great job guys! Looks fantastic. Sweet name and artwork, too.
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Wow . . . I love it. The name and the graphics are perfect!! You got me second guessing the bottom paint too. Is it going on a mooring?
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Well...slowly working and getting closer to splash day. Tim's Bigpimpin bracket has been bolted on with a total of 16 bolts :o.
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...ncc/pic027.jpg Everything was backed with some plate alum cutouts I made from an old transom plate. http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...ncc/pic029.jpg We used 4 tubes of 5200 of which most of just squeezed back out :rolleyes: but I would hate to have to remove it. http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...ncc/pic031.jpg The big thirsty pig has been mounted and rigged and only awaits gas and oil to come back to life...did I mention gas http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...c/pic034-1.jpg http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...c/pic035-1.jpg I have spent the last couple of days bottom painting the bracket tub, installing the washdown pump, racor, and rigging in the bilge. The bilge is looking nice an neat and I am hung up on what to do about the icebox drains. I had installed thru hulls into the bilge and intended to run a 3/4 tube over to a side thru hull that would drain both. Now I am just scratching my head and pacing the yard on what to do. I am thinking the flared brass thru hulls thru the transom would have been just fine put back. Is anyone draining these into the bilge and pumping? My boat will be moored. My single thru hull idea puts my thru hull down by the boot stripe for adequate drainage. I'm all ears :D Another trip up is mounting the transom mount ducer that I got with the Garmin FF from Rich (awesome deal). I am trying to figure on the best spot to punch a whole thru to feed the wire back into the bilge and up to the console and FF. |
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Looking good! I hope your enjoying frosty adult beverages as you pace the yard!!
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That looks really sharp and I bet you are frothing and chomping at the bit as you cant wait to get it in the water! I like how you used square washers instead of round washers. They will be much stronger that way however I would have went with SS instead of aluminum. I usually have a welding shop punch some out for me and they can make the holes dead center for you ;)
On the ice box drains I dont know what to say...did you make some new ice boxes in the stern? maybe post some pictures of the set up. There is nothing wrong with putting it on the boot stripe if you are worried about looks then just center it in the boot stripe if possible. For the transducer I ran the cable up thru the holes I had to drill for the trim tabs and used a cable cam to secure. Maybe you could make a small hole in the swim platform for the cable and then go thru the transom? what kind of trim tabs are you going to use? The Volvo's are really sharp. http://www.casdvm.com/photos/DSCN4394.JPG strick |
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ahh yes... many frothy adult beverages cause my drill to wander :o
I left my stock ice boxes but glassed in the drain whole while the cap was off. I think I can locate the thru hull right above the boot stripe on the port side to serve both boxes. I am gonna give it a go. I bailed on the brass drains back then only to avoid 2 holes in the transom. Note to self...dont re-engineer something that wasnt broken. I am going with the QL tabs at some point. SO my options for the cable are drill thru the swim platform flange Underneath but above water line)and hide the cable hole under there...or get it into the bracket somehow and run it up with the rest of the rigging. Thanks for the kudos...after this weekend I will be splashing no matter what for a test run :D |
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Nice Work!! I love the colored bracket . . . I'm dying to see a action photo.
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Wow! that name is perfect.
Of all the boats that I have owned, only 1 has been named. A small 14 foot skiff named "Navicula" which is Latin for 'small boat'. I have a skyblue Bertram 25 that we have been struggling to find a good fit. This fits perfectly! It's a shame that I did not think of this on my own... Ian. |
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Thanks! I doubt I am the first to use it ;)
Well....the ice box drains went back in the way they came out! [img]/forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] They work nicely. The rigging is done the steering is bled and she fired right up in the yard :D :D :D I ran the ducer thru the swim platform via a cable clam (ala strick) and in thru the transom where I can see it and well above the water line. If I had a reg for her I be splashing tommorow...My next project is the pay the tax man and put some numbers on her....I'm done :o...for now :D |
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All I can say is Awesome...nice job!
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Gang,
I was speaking with a friend recently and I was reminded of the need to provide a brief update to this thread. The project has been wrapped up for a while. There had been some serious ups and downs related all to engine trouble...but fist some before after shots: before: http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...c/pic021-1.jpg after: http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...c/pic012-1.jpg before: http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...c/pic012-2.jpg after: http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...c/pic008-1.jpg The boat came out great and I am very happy with it. The problem for me has been the engine. After a series of test runs...testing motor heights, props...and everything else...I killed the engine :o. The 225 Johnson was /is fuel starved. Initially I was doing all of this testing (in july mostly) and before I figured out what was causing the check engine light....I ate a piston....stuck ring: http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...c/pic023-1.jpg Enter Bigshrimpin who basically talked me through replacing a whole damn piston and ring set...well it worked. Compression and motor are back. Tim deserves a lot of credit for all of his help. He put up with a lot of dumb phone calls and questions...thanks Tim. Bad news is the problem still bugs the motor. Surge @ WOT. Running lean. I have a few more parts to throw at it (fuel lines/vac switch) this weekend but if it dosnt work its shrinkwrap till next season and then off to a mechanic. New parts include: VRO pump/lines/clamps/bulb/Carb rebuild/link-sync/Vac switch…you name it…its new. The boat has had glimpses of brilliance and I look forward to getting it straight. The bracket it great…the ride is quiet…comfortable…and fast. So much so that I sold my 20SF and am now a 1 SeaCraft owner. Mostly my "in the water time" has been spent cursing the engine, floating, and standing on the bracket with tools. I did manage a pic some time ago: http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...c/pic017-1.jpg On the list for next Spring are Volvo QL tabs, Capt Chuck HDS, and some hardware for the ipod. T-top is a maybe. Also lots of loose ends to tie up and fish rigging stuff. |
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Looking great...Passed you runnning around Chatham with boat on the trailer one day...The engine issues explain that! Hiliner's a-l-m-o-s-t ready...Get the motor fixed...Cod just starting to bite.
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Nothing worse then engine trouble... especially after all that work. The swim platform makes a great work surface but I'd rather use it for swimming.
After I redid my 23sf the Yamaha 250 carb engine started giving me trouble...I took it to several mechanics and none of them could fix it so sold it to one of our members as a parts motor...then bought a Suzuki 250 4 stroke which made me happy again. ;) strick |
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Strick...interesting you had the same issues...if I am unable to resolve it I'll be back looking into engines this winter. The Johnson is a yr 2000 and had very little hours on it.....before we cooked that cyl one afternoon. It just wants FUEL. I got it real cheap. I'll be keeping my eyes open if the tax man is good to me. I wont loose out either way. I got to admit...Tim's bracket makes it easy to work on the engine while floating, drinking beer...and throwing tools :D |
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Tell all about the bolsters please.
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per Capt Chuck: Lois Franklin worked for Bill Potter @ SeaCraft for many years and was very loyal so after Potter sold SeaCraft in 1980 She left and started "Franklin's Apolstery". They kept all the tooling for the consoles, grab rails, windshields and parts for all the old SeaCrafts. I used to have one of their old price sheets (I gave it to Trayder) where they sold all the replacement cushions, covers, combing bolsters, console parts etc. |
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Thanks. Does anyone have any more info on this company. I searched with little results.
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Been meaning to update this thread so here it goes.
This spring I had a long list of problems to work out on the boat to get her in working order. I rented some space to move her inside to have at it. http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...s/pic002-1.jpg I had to lower the motor on the bracket and because I mounted it to high it needed to come off. http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...irs/pic014.jpg After I removed it…. I glassed the holes on the bracket…. re-painted it…and re drilled it to bring the motor down to the correct height. Another thread was very helpful in getting it right the second time. While the motor was off I couldn’t resist the temptation to refresh it with a little BRP paint and a water pump kit. http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...s/GEDC0166.jpg http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...s/GEDC0169.jpg While the boat was in sick bay I added some tabs. Thanks to kerneltugboat for helping me through the install. One tab did bind after the initial install but I re-torqued and was good to go. When they say the surface has to be flat…they mean it. http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...s/GEDC0189.jpg Got the motor back on in the right spot. http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...s/GEDC0187.jpg Then it was on to fixing my fuel problem. Well the tank had a LOT of aluminum in it and shame on me I never cleaned it or inspected it prior to install. Everyone should do this. Splash a gallon in there before the install. The manufacturer had also left the pickup tube too long for my liking and it was sucking bottom. I finally got it clean with the help of an electric fuel pump and my super filter re-circulating system. http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...c/GEDC0207.jpg After all of that the motor is happy again and doing well. The tabs were a very nice addition and I am very happy with the effort I put in to lower the motor…..it is really dialed in. Thanks to Rich for the tunes! I played with a few props but am currently running a 15x15 BRP alum. For now I am happy with the power and speed its putting out. The boat is happy and is already landing fish. She is on the hook @ home in the Chatham “sunshine”. :D http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...s/GEDC0250.jpg |
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John, Looking good in that Chatham sun...must have been about 2pm or so! Love that color...Steve
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I too love that color combo. What a great job on the resto.
Here's the big question... are you out chasing all those big tuna I've been reading about with jealousy yet? |
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Hermit the boat looks great, she is really pretty, you will enjoy her for many years to come.
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adam,
check out this thread . I am @ ~3" now and the boat is hooked up in turns and in a sea. The bottom of my bracket tub is ~4" above the keel. I no longer run the dolefin but I dont doubt that it may help me not drop off plane @ low speeds. WOT is 5800 going 42mph :D with a 15x15 alumn BRP prop. Thats with 2 guys ~50 gals of gas. The full tub bracket makes the boat jump on plane. ....and yes I have been Tuna wishin ;) and just enjoying the boat and the fishing. |
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