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Yes, I spoke with Barry at length, he is a very likable fella. Looks like he has a nice project going also. Yea,I spoke with Diego and Mark a while back. Both of them are nice fellas also. I watched some of Diegos shows. We were gettin some funny looks from the folks at the KOA bar when we put her on the trailer at the KOA ramp. It looked like a "SWAMP THING" We were beat, I was sun poisoned, and got violently ill after a couple of beers with Barry. It was a rough ride back, we parked & slept on the side of the road on Duck Key for a few hours while I recouped, tried to drive again but only made it an hour and slept again at Tavernier. WHat a freakin' adventure, Lost a wipe blade while it was storming, Jack handle crank broke and foot extended to the ground, rear window regulator broke and window would not go up, got violently ill at the No Name, felt like I left some important internal organs behind, had to leave before the food came and go sleep in the truck.It was an adventure to say the least, Did you see that 4 ft. eel in the picture? That came out of the boat, that could have been very nasty.

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Great save Brian! Was hoping someone would rescue that old gal before the state removed and scrapped it!

You're absolutely right about the original being a great dive boat! Look at all the folks on the Unohu in the picture below! http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z...LunchBreak.jpg

I made numerous dives off that boat and it would handle 4 guys, all their gear and 8 tanks and nobody felt crowded! Was also the best riding boat I've ever been on! The SeaCraft 23's used to have trouble keeping up with it whenever seas got over about 4'! The owner, climbing over the transom in that picture, used to dive 2 tanks almost every Saturday and Sunday of the year! He bought it new from Moesly in '65 at the Miami boat show (it was the boat on display!) and I think he was on engine No. 5 when he sold it in '92. He had retired and I lost touch with him and didn't know he was trying to sell it or I would have snapped it up in a heartbeat! Denny

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Wow...what a trip huh!Glad you made it back up the road. Good luck with your new venture!

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Let me know when I can pick it up :D

With the windshield frame I will be all original.

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Me and the wife were contemplating a newer boat I may have to hold her off. It would be nice to get one of the "new 21" moselys. Cant wait to here price and availability on this one, please dont make all us drooling guys wait too long. LOL

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I have the original hard top. That sucker weighs over 80#. With out the windshield frame I was going to scrap the hard top. Now I should be able to repop the hard top in composite cut the weight in half and have a really cool original looking "21".

The floors are still not attached and I have not put any foam in there...Why do you ask?

Re: Who Wants one? Original 21.....considering orders.
 

OK ,
Everything is set.
A quality professional, and very capable custom boat builder has been chosen with experienced staff.
Right now we are offering Original design and center console (w small fwd cabin) design.
They will be offered ready for power with an outboard flotation bracket, center console, and baitwell. Construction will be composite coring, so no rot. Offered at base price of 36K , 1/2 deposite, 1/2 due on delivery. Sea Trial will be $100, refunded at purchase. The first 10 will be offered at this price, After that the price will increase to roughly 41K.
There are upgrades; Infused hull, vacuum bagged, epoxy, carbon fiber etc. and accessories available like t-top, t-top with crows nest,LED lighting, custom hull conforming trailer. The contract will be fair and not one sided, with some type of penalty/incentive for us to have each boat finished within a specified time. You may be welcome to come by and see your boat being built, but not harass the builder. You are also welcome to go by the builder to view their current work and quality. After a sea trial you will have a knowing that the SC21 will take you where boats like this (below) will take you, in the same or better comfort, for 1/3 of the used price!!!!!! At tremendously less fuel burn. Imagine an all day fishing trip, trolling,, 20-25 miles offshore with 3 buddies for $30 a person!!!!!! Or a ride from West Palm to the Bahamas for less than $60 in fuel. For those seriously considering and before you poo poo the price, you must at least see the hull in person, and bring yer $100 bucks, I promise after seeing the hull, you will want a sea trial and we don't do IOUs.

http://www.yachttraderonline.com/lis...2011)-93538357

or this


http://boats.iboats.com/jupiter_boats/436291.html

or

http://boats.iboats.com/contender_boats/383124.html


or


http://boats.iboats.com/seacraft_boats/35888.html

Re: Who Wants one? Original 21.....considering orders.
 

brian It sounds very cool what youre doing, but id be very careful not to call it a sc21, im sure big brother ( tracker) will be aware and id hate seeing you get tangled up in any legal bs with them. I personally think you should call it a moesly (with permission)and use that vintage seacraft logo that shows the rear of the transom, it would be realy cool and vintage looking. That being said I would love to see an open model with forward seating at some point or a flat floor. Give us some more info on the builder, im sure im not the only one waitng to hear more :D

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I have not settled on a name yet. Here is a link to the mfg website, he does custom boats. look at the 24 for ideas about your full open, fwd seating is an option and not a problem , just more time & $$. The builder, me, my partner are all on the same page, and we are open and flexible. We also have the same beliefs and goals so we have congruency all the way around.

http://www.martinboatsmfg.com/index2.html

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sounds good I hope you sellem as fast as you can make em

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That 24 reminds me of the Aquasport Flatback....

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Wanted to add this data;
I have a remanufactured 200hp Yamaha OX66 2 stroke EFI with a 19P/
14.75 dia. stainless prop, I has plenty of power, tourque, and top end
and very good fuel efficiency. in a head sea 3-4ft I get 2.6<3.4 MPG
and 7.9<9.3 GPH. Cruise is 3600-3800 rpm at 29-33 MPH and 8.5-9.5 gph.

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Brian ,i met a gentlemen today when i was delivering a piece of equipment.he is a GC and lives in the keyswe got to talking and he will be back there this weekend.he would like to meet you and see when you would be available for a sea trial.i will PM you his name and number.

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could you possibly give specs on the boat i.e. true length and loa trying to convice the wife she wants something bigger than 21'.She says the boat we have is 21' well it is accutally 20'5" but as i read this is a large 21. Sorry for the long winded post but i need some ammo lol. thanks John

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it is 21 10 inchec from bow to transom- straight line and almost 24' including outboard bracket, there is alot of room it is a very big boat, most when they ask/ guess say 24-25'It has almost 5' freeboard from nose to waterline, small forward cabin, with head. The original setup with forward helm provides a tremendous amount of room as seen in the above older pics

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I have been thinking; In the Face of me wanting to be flexible and make it easy for folks to obtain one.
And for you and you wife, to try to describe this boat and to see it in pictures does not equate. You really have to physically see one and ride in one to put it all together.

If you are very serious, then, if you happen to be visiting Florida this year, We can go for a ride, If you decide to move forward and purchase one , I will credit your airfare on delivery.

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When Skip and Carla invited me to see their 21, I was blown away by how deep this hull is. Their deck was out and as I was standing on the keel I couldn`t believe the fact that at 5'7" ,I was not even close to being able to see anything but sky. A friends old Miami Mako 21 is a lot deeper than my 20'4" sf. The Moesly boat is at least that much deeper again. As Bushwacker said the UNOHO used to lead the 23`s on the crossings!
Is that a Paramount?
GFS

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Thanks for the help 3rdday gonna pm you to ask somemore question that I have and figured it would be easier. Gofast the boat is not a paramount it is a bullet boat built in NJ.

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brian i will meet you down there around 6:30pm 06/20

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Skip and I had the opportunity of going for a ride in Brian's "Black Jack" yesterday .... one word, AWESOME!

The seas were calm, maybe 2-3 feet so not a real test of her rough water ability, but just the same, a real smooth ride. Purposely finding some boat wakes to jump, it was like going on a magic carpet ride, going up, down & then up without ever hitting a 'bottom' or feeling a 'bump'. I was standing in the front, towards the bow and hardly needing to hold onto anything. Beautiful ride.

Getting on plane was extremely impressive, powered with a single 200 hp. I thought our bowrider did a great job, but this 21 with 6 people on board, popped up even faster. At WOT, going close to 50 mph, she did "dance" some on the wave tops. I think Brian did too good of a job in keeping her light, but adding a forward bunk/storage area as he plans to do, will settle the boat into the water a little more and the ride will be that much more impressive.

Thank you Brian for a wonderful time and an incredible ride.
Carla

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Carla & Skip,
Thank you for having us there to visit. You have a beautiful home at a beautiful location. We are very thankful to know you and have you as friends. Those of you who have not met Carla and Skip, I encourage you, they are fantastic people to be around. Some day I wish to be in the keys permanently, also. Carla and Skip were the first SeaCraft Members to ride on "Black Jack". Carla has a great and accurate reccomendation of putting a little more weight forward, I am enclosing the forward cabin with a storage box, and perhaps some fresh water storage. We have been in the keys with some sloppy seas and she is performing very very well. We have been 1 of the very few boats out there fishing and diving. Even night fishing, very confident of its seakeeping abilities, as we had no moonlight. I will be posting some underwater video of the hull bottom in waves, and some pics taken from the water with my waterproof camera, when I get back home. I also hope to get video of her running in some 3-5ft slop or head on waves. Stay tuned.

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i was with brian this past week in marathon,we were on a family vacation i brought my boat and brian had his.we had both boats out for about 4 days and for the other two we went out on "blackjack".my back still hurts from riding in mine and getting smacked around.when i was in "blackjack" i was a little gun shy ,i was cathching myself flinch waitng on the inevidable smack(which never occured).i have never been in a boat that never smacked ecspecially in sloppy seas.this boat is unbelievable it is like riding on a cloud.i strongly suggest going on a sea trial even to see for yourself what you are missing out on. thanks brian for a great week of fishing and diving, steve

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Here is a link to my photobucket, Sorry it has taken so long. I have been super busy. Here are some, from the water pics, taken with underwater camera, while we were in the keys. I will be posting some video of the hull bottom in the waves. Stay Tuned in!

http://s233.photobucket.com/albums/e...1/keys%20Pics/

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Ok folks more info performance numbers and video.
I took pics of the gauges while running offshore 20 - 25 miles SE of Fort Pierce 2-3 ft seas. This MF will RUN! My average for offshore trips(about 30) to date has been 2.76 MPG. I let my neighbor, friend, fishing buddy and his family skipper the boat while shooting the video. I was in the front of the boat, at 37 mph offshore in 2-3 footers, notice the guys sitting down in the front and me standing in the front. The pointing and commotion was sailfish and dolphin free jumping behind me(what we were lookin for). Feel free to explore all of the albums video and pics on my photobucket page.

http://s233.photobucket.com/albums/e...os%20Underway/

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Brian,

I noticed rod holders in the gunnel. Can you tell me who the manufacture is?

As you know the gunnels are not to wide and most will not fit in the space.

The pictures keep driving me to get done. :D

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They are Lees fo Miami, They might be original, and I may have a couple extra, on our other 21 I say some just like it but they are barnacle encrusted, I will checK, and get back with you.

So what ever happend with this idea
I need some more pics of the 21 was just trying to describe it to a friend and can't get that hull out of my mind and wanted to share its beauty

Hmm, a 21 lengthened to 23 or 25. Now that is an INTERESTING idea. Good luck with it!!!

Here's a link to my photobucket album http://s188.photobucket.com/albums/z...SeaCraft%2021/ with some pics of my friends 21, the "Unohu", during some Bahama trips I made with him in the late 70's. Also a few at the end of Skip & Carla's 21 project boat. You might also send a PM to Gillie. He's got a ton of pictures and some videos of his 21.

this is a my 71 mosley, i think.http://i961.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/P5160002.jpg

I beleive that 71 would be a Potter hull,also the Moesly Seafari's had four posts on each side of the bow rail.Very nice looking boat,I just got a 1972 and plan to redo it over the winter.

These are a couple of videos from last years sea trial...

http://www.classicseacraft.com/commu...ad.php?t=22743

Not what Brian was going to build, but the hull is the same.:D

so you think mine is a potter hull. is one better than the other?

Yeah, yours was built under Mr Potters direction. But it is a Moesly design and yours looks great:cool:. Spiitting hairs to say one is better than the other. 4 stanchions are sturdier, but really... Of the Potters, I think the early ones were better built, especially the floors and the gas tank access... On the other hand Potter later made some modifications that may have been more user friendly. I think the end of the 70s hurt a lot of builders due to the production costs brought on by the "energy crisis."

Potter worked with Carl Moesly for a year or two before he took over the company in about 1970, and I think Carl taught him quality control and how to build a good boat. Carl designed the 20' hull with 4 f/g stringers and all 20's (Seafari & CC's) up through '72 have 4 stringers. The first Arab oil embargo occurred in 1973, the price of resin went way up, and that's when Potter changed to 2 wide box stringers, probably in an effort to keep costs down. The 4-stringer design is obviously heavier and stiffer, but I've never heard of any problems reported with either configuration. When the inner liner/deck is bonded to the top of the stringers, it creates an extremely stiff I-Beam, which I believe gives the 20' SeaCraft the best strength/weight ratio of any boat of similar size. I had a subscription to Boating Magazine in '69 when the test of the Seafari 20 was published, so I started looking for a used Seafari shortly after that. I looked at the new ones every year at the Miami boat show, and I remember being shocked by a $1000 increase in the list price in either '74 or '75, but the price of all new boats went up a bunch due to resin cost increases.

Although Potter continued introducing new models in the 70's like the Sceptre 20, Master Angler and the 18' CC, I think he was under steadily increasing cost pressure. In the later Seafari's he took a stanchion out of each side of the bow rail in about '70 or '71, and changed the cabin door from a double door hinged on each side to fold inward to a single door that opened outward. In about '74, he replaced glass in the side windshields with plexiglass, and I think he may have eliminated the livewell that's under the port seat on my '72. As Gillie mentioned, he did make some improvements in the later Seafaris, like raised cockpit sole, larger gas tank, side shelves in the cabin and a moved forward/raised windshield that provided more cabin headroom and more space aft of the windshield, starting in about '74 or '75. The first 2 pics below are from a '69 Moesly-era brochure with the 4 stanchion bow rail and double cabin doors. The last one is from a '72 Potter brochure that shows the 3 stanchion rail. (I also have Adobe files of these brochures and the Boating Test I can e-mail to anyone that sends me a PM.) Denny

if you noticed in the pic of the 71, the side window is just a small square like shape. all other photos i,ve seen are the longer wing shaped desisn. anything to this? differant model or yr? thanks for the info, guys. very helpfull. love this boat.

Pretty sure an owner added the window sometime after it was built. Coming from the factory with no windows is pretty rare, I've only seen one other one like it.

Glad you like the boat. I had one for years, used it hard and loved it, too.

I think there was a lower priced stripped version of the Seafari that had NO cabin windows as Connor mentioned, maybe called the Overnighter. There was one listed for sale on this forum one time. I think it also had a windshield which did not open like mine does. Do the front panels on your windshield open up?

yes as well as the hatch in the front.