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Conner- will do on the performance #'s once its in the drink.
Sean- I've been getting my resin from composites one in sac. Svendsons marine in Alameda also carries the same stuff (they buy it from composits one) but it is a little more then if you were to open an account with Composites One. Wish I could tell you the brand name but I don't get that much into it. strick |
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Lots of grunt work going on lately. We finished most of the underside of the cap so I flipped it and began filling all the spider cracks and the man made holes.
http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/45.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/46.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/47.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/48.JPG The hull was moved in the shop so I could begin doing some glass work http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/50.JPG A diesel heater helps to keep the shop temperature warm enough to allow the glass to cure. http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/51.JPG The top of the transom core was exposed so I wanted to cover that with some glass http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/52.JPG the white stuff is fairing compound (cabosil/micro balloons) added to fill the voids and then heavy matt to seal the area off http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/60.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/61.JPG the engine compartment needed some cleaning up. I added fairing compound to smooth out the voids and then re glassed so I would have a nice clean area to gel coat later. http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/53.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/62.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/63.JPG The bulkhead the separates the engine compartment from the fuel hatch was tabbed in place at the factory and there was exposed wood so I covered that up with glass. A layer of 1708 covers both sides http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/54.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/70.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/72.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/71.JPG First round of quick fair added to the cap http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/67.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/68.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/69.JPG The biggest project inside the boat will be getting the fuel hatch and deck back in shape. The previous owner cut out a section of the deck and I will need to replace it. A shot of what it looked like before. As you can see the cuts were crooked and I need to get it all straight. http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/82.jpg http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/83.jpg http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/59.JPG and a couple shots of were I am as of today. I'm adding some more support under the deck to support the floor and deck hatch. The hatch will not be flat but will have the L shape curve that dips down toward the cabin. This will allow me to place a large fuel tank the extends forward under the cabin deck thus getting some weight forward. The tank will have to be special made. http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/76.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/77.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/78.JPG Back under the cap I decided that some teak trim would look nice around the window frame so I've added some 3/8" plywood backing for the teak to screw into. Also the forward access hatch to the deck has a very abrupt curve built in for the drain channels and I wanted to smooth out this transition so the interior head liner will slope up to it gradually rather then make a 90 degree bend as before. http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/79.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/80.JPG As promised some shots under the deck of the 25 seafari. Looking from the engine compartment port side toward the bow showing the holes cut for vents and fuel lines. The deck is glassed to the stringers here. http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/55.JPG At the step down to enter the cabin port side. Note that the floor is above the stringers here so I'm adding support under this area. http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/56.JPG Looking under the deck mid line under the cabin toward the bow. looks like snow in there! http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/57.JPG The fiberglass floor is 3/8 inch thick with 1/2 inch balsa core http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/58.JPG Duo Prop has arrived but the prop got bent during transport....off the the prop guy they go...I guess I needed to get them tuned up any way :rolleyes: http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/74.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/73.JPG that's it for now strick |
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That ain't bad so far...thanks for the experience!
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I look forward viewing your refurb storybook !! Keep up the great work.... BTW: "Burro Brand" I hope that wood support is not the prelude to a South of the Border cabin layout? (note the screen shot) [img]/forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...STA60269-1.jpg |
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Top notch craftsmanship as always! Hope they didn't tear up the gears when they hit that rock :mad:. So how much do you have set aside for adult beverages :D? Got to be close to the 20 and 23 combined!!
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Strick, I'm sure you already know this, but make sure you grease the prop shafts very well when you put the props back on! It is also a good idea to remove them from time to time and regrease the shafts otherwise they will become stuck and have to be cut off. If they get stuck it is almost impossible to get them off without detroying them and they aren't cheap. Beautiful work by the way!
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Thanks fellas Nitz I've read about the duo props sticking so I'll be sure to grease them up good. strick |
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The speed of your restorations,the quality of the craftsmanship,and the neatness of your work space amaze me.
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Hey Strick
This is such a great learning experience for me. I know I'm going to be in for it sooner or later and this is such a great how to series. I remember you saying you wanted to put the gas tank more forward and thought that sounded fine if you were going to have twin outboards or a diesel. The weight of your engine and drive would be pretty close to ours. At rest, with two people in the cabin, our bow sits a little bit lower. No doubt she likes the heavy bow at play but I don't know if you want a heavy bow at rest. Just some food for thought. There are probably many factors, that you have thought of, that I havn't but it concerns me a little. This is assuming 100 gal of fuel weighs the same as me and my gal :D Brandon BTW.............SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!!!!!!! |
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Hey Brandon-
Thanks I appreciate your valuable input. From looking at most of the pictures of the 25 seafari in the water it seems to sit perfectly at rest (hard to tell in the pictures if people are in the cabin). I'm gonna go ahead and slide the fuel tank forward about 2 feet from were they would normally sit. Therefore it will extend about 2 feet under the cabin deck. The extra 2 feet of deck space I will gain by sliding the tank forward will allow me to place an in deck fish box which this style boat needs badly. I'm thinking the tower will counteract the weight of the fuel tank while at rest. It's going to be a crap shoot either way and if I don't like the way things are when it's finished I can always slide the fuel tank backward to were it was previously. :) strick |
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Strick,
Since that's probably a pretty big tank, why not consider 2 smaller tanks like Skip's doing on his 21? That would provide some ability to adjust CG, plus you could leave 1 empty for short trips. Since it's not good to leave a gas tank partially filled with e-10 gas for extended periods, it would also be easier to keep a smaller tank full too! Denny |
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Funny you guys mentioned that! After Brandons post I got to looking at things more. One of my buddies has a 60 gallon V tank that would fit under the cabin deck. I could run off that tank first for long runs out and then switch to the main tank when needed. Also I could use the forward tank as a ballast like you said maybe keep it 1/2 full all the time.
I was originally leaning toward 1 big tank for simplicity (less hoses,valves gauges etc) but now I'm starting to like the idea of two separate tanks. Remember John Denver :o but I guess thats not an issue with boats :D strick |
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Strick, everything is looking good. Gives me a lot to think about and consider even though I'm not working on a '25. Keep up the good work.
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I'd have to do some checking of my thinking and maybe I can do that here.
Assume a fuel tank that is partially full. The vent tube allows atmospheric air to circulate into and out of the tank with changes in temperature, windage (running, fuel consumption, etc.) Now consider that CO2 is heavier than normal air, so does it follow; if one were to shoot some CO2 into a fuel tank and it being heavier than air, it would tend to stay in the tank cutting off the source of humidity (H20) coming in with normal air? Would the ethanol be deprived of the moisture source for absorbing it into the fuel? A possible source of CO2 would be a CO2 fire extinguisher or an old scuba tank filled with CO2 of some other similar source. When you put the boat away for any period of time- shoot some CO2 into the tank and put some non-porous or masking tape over the vent tube opening. Any thoughts? Just wondering. |
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First, it's very cool to see your work on the 25 Seafari. Thanks for taking the time to post in such detail. I can't wait to see the finished product. Quote:
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Thanks for the photos and info. I was talking with Capt Chuck about that very thing earlier. I will probably go with a small bladder type water storage somewhere low in the boat. I need to figure all this out. The boat really needs an in deck fish locker....for all you 25 seafari owners were do you put your fish? strick |
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u make things to cumplakaded fer yerself. gits one of these bags.mak sur u put yer veanna sausage in a bagie cuz som fish slim dont gits in sam http://www.alltackle.com/pelagic_insulated_fish_bag.jpg |
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That's a good idea Sam although I don't mind a little slime on my sausage.
Strick, Gramps used to have a big steel cooler in the Salmon charter days. I usually catch and release unless I'm hungry. You guys have some great ideas! |
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Fish/dive gear storage is about the only thing this boat is short of.
The previous owner of mine had a 6 ft insulated fish box built that sat on the transom (see my photobucket page for pics) I planned to put a teak platform and kicker behind it until I started calculating how much all that would weigh. Plan B: had an aluminum box/platform built. I'll use it for light dive gear storage, but it could easily be a fish box. Will post pics when I finally get everything mounted. |
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I noticed in Connors pics, his fuel tank hatch is roughly half the size of ours. Ours goes right to the stepdown. I assume yours was the same as Connors before it was cut out. I guess the difference is that we have one tank and you guys have or had 2 and I guess they slid the one under first before installing the 2nd. That being said, I know you have to rebuild yours and wanted to give you my thoughts. Ours is loosening up at the joint and is a little spongy where it meets the stepdown. It gets a lot of traffic and I think there should be at least 1' of solid floor at the top of the step. Even better if you have more, like Connors. My opinion is based on the fact that the hatch hasn't really deteriorated much in the last 15 years since she's been under my care and knowing how much traffic she saw in the charter days so it was a little spongy 15 years ago. The rest of the hatch is solid although dipping a little in the middle. You'll notice I use the words "a little" a lot. My theory is, when I start to use the words "a lot" a lot, thats when the major resto will begin. |
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My desk top computer is down so it may be a few days before I'm able to post any pictures showing what I have done with the floor and deck hatch on the 25 seafari. It has more support then the original design and will not ever sag or get spongy...ever again ;)
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OR...you could do THAT. I wasn't even thinking that you could do it that way. That's going to turn out sweet.
That surely covers what I was trying to convey to you about the top of the step needing to be solid. You may have read what I said on Connors thread about the drainage in the stepdown. I was just curious as to what you had planned for yours. Brandon BTW I wasn't rushing you on my last post but I'm sure Pavlov's dog is happy now :D |
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Hey Strick,
I like your thru-hull mounting block work, very neat and clean. Is it for the DS-ducer? I've been led to believe that it might be worth the extra effort to set it verticle to the waterline with a counter cut set of wedge blocks mounted one on both side of the hull to offset the deadrise. Just asking. |
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Thanks guys for the cheering and input.
Brandon- I did read what you and Conner had said about water drainage in the step down area. I'm still thinking about how I want to tackle that problem. Part of the fuel tank will sit under the step down. I was thinking some 1" flush mount SS round deck drains with a bib for a hose under the deck. This will allow water to drain around the fuel tank and into the bilge. This was my first thought...I just got to look at different kinds of deck drain hardware and see what will work best. Lance- The block is for the seacock. I'll be putting in a flush mount transducer with a tilted element somewhere in the engine compartment. Despite this boat being 25 feet long there sure is not much room for things. I decided to take Spidercrabs advice and not make things too complicated for myself....so I've given up on the idea of an in deck fish hatch. Did not want to move the fuel tank forward and change the center of gravity. The fuel tank will be about 7 feet long and will be shaped similar to the hatch so it dips under the step a foot or so. There will be a small fresh water tank just forward of the fuel tank. strick |
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Beautiful work Strick! Fast too!
Spidey`s right about the convenience of fish bags, but I surely like a nice box to incarcerate green meanies in a hurry. A nice green Cobia broke a light spinner years ago, and almost got me too. What about a box in the transom cap centerline? Flip flop hatches? Cheers, GFS |
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Theres just not enough room in the transom cap for any kind of storage like you see in other seacrafts.
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Wow, we have been busy....
Nice to see you back at it on what will, I'm sure, prove to be another great build. G |
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grgrmouse-
were gonna find you a seacraft and sign you up on the other team for a while. Working for a living has slowed progress on the 25 seafari. I've finished 90% of the work in the bilge. fuel tank support http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/137.JPG looking back http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/136.JPG looking forward http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/139.JPG 1/2 inch ply glassed on both sides with 1708 screwed to the supports with 5200 and then glassed to the sides of the bilge. http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/140.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/141.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/142.JPG Still grinding out spider cracks on the hull. Now we are able to concentrate on the deck. The fuel tank hatch was trimmed and now sits flush with the deck. http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/143.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/144.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/145.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/146.JPG I need access to the forward bilge under the deck in the cabin. So I'm gonna build a hatch for that. This is the beginnings of a mold for the hatch receiver. http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/147.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/148.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/150.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/151.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/153.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/152.JPG After waxing it gets sprayed with pva. I'll let this sit till I can glass it up. http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/155.JPG strick |
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Almost forgot...got some primer on the inner hull sides
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Nice!
I gotta line on a free 23 but it's in FL. Of course. Waiting on pics to see if I'm going on a road trip... |
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Another weekend gone and more work accomplished on the 25 seafari.
Some photos of the deck hatch receiver and deck hatch that I'm building. Laid up and in the mold http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/157.JPG out of the mold. It will get sanded and painted. http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/159.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/158.JPG Mold for the lid. http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/160.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/161.JPG where it will sit http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/162.JPG Template for the hole I have to cut. The fresh water tank will go in here. http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/164.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/180.JPG More photos of installing the flange and making the lid. http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/171.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/190.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/191.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/192.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/193.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/194.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/195.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/196.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/197.JPG I had planned on painting the top cap this weekend...kinda a big deal. I was going to make a spray booth out of the car port as the boat is too big to spray in the shop. We have been sanding and fairing for a long time. Early Saturday morning was the last and final check...and there was bird crap all over the boat! I looked up and found that a humming bird had built her nest right in the middle of the carport over the boat. http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/170.JPG I never knew that they were so messy for such a clean looking bird. It appears that they are able to somehow spray their crap vertically and laterally from the appearance of the area around the nest. http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/165.JPG My only option was to tarp off the area under the birds and hope that their super pooper was not strong enough to spray beyond the tarp. http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/172.JPG At any rate I did end up getting the top cap painted. Saturday was a long day. http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/173.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/174.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/175.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/176.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/177.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/178.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/179.JPG I never did post any pictures of my 20sf after the upholstery was finished. Another addition to the boat last year was a bow mounted electric motor. It needed a good cleaning so I snapped some shots after I finished. http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/186.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/188.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/189.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/187.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/185.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/184.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/183.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/182.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/25%232internet/181.JPG Strick |
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Looking great! I had no idea hummingbirds could produce that much..."spray".
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Hey Stick,
"I never knew that they were so messy for such a clean looking bird. It appears that they are able to somehow spray their crap vertically and laterally from the appearance of the area around the nest." Those pesky hummingbirds had better thank their lucky stars they are shacking up at a Vet's" carport. Most anyone else on this site would have be having "hummingbird stew" for Sunday dinner!!! :D :D :D |
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Well, I'm a confirmed environmentalist and am fascinated by hummingbirds, but I don't think I would have been able to handle that. There would not have been enough left to make stew out of.
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Hummingbirds can poop it up. We have a feeder at our house and it regularly get 4-6 birds at a time and the deck under the feeder is quite poopy...but I love watching them so its worth the hassle.
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pooping up? Wow, talk about prop wash!
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