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Re: 1977 20ft Master Angler Restoration
10-4, thanks for the reply, she's looking good!
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No prob. This is my second restore, and I have learned so much from my mistakes and others on this board and friends around home. I just hope the floor will self bail!!
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Glassed the pieces on the sides and transom. Screwed some wedges to hold down the gas tank and some blocks to hold down the rear. I just coated them with epoxy.
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Re: 1977 20ft Master Angler Restoration
Glassed a new block in for the bow eye. Glassed a 2" pipe in for the gas line and a raw water washdown that will go under the console.
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My dad came over this afternoon to help cut out the new deck.
Also hot coated the bottom of the deck. All I need to do now is paint the bilge, box under the console, and anchor locker with bilgekote and I can screw the floor down. I now have 20" cockpit depth in the stern and just over 23" deep in the bow. That is to the lower part of the recessed bow. http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/a...o/DSCN0555.jpg http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/a...o/DSCN0552.jpg http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/a...o/DSCN0560.jpg |
Re: 1977 20ft Master Angler Restoration
Are you going to lay glass on the deck?
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Maybe it's just the angle of the picture, but could there be a little twist in the hull? It looks like the plywood seam farthest aft slopes slightly from right to left and the one farthest forward slopes slightly from left to right.
http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/a...o/DSCN0555.jpg It might not be a bad idea to lay a level and straight edge across the gunwales aft and forward to see if they're both level. If there's a twist, it will be a lot easier to correct before the deck is glassed in and it becomes permanent. Or maybe it's just my overactive imagination. Anyway, your work is moving right along. You'll have her in the water in no time at this rate. I see you've made good use of the space heaters to keep your resin active. I think I'm going to have to invest in a couple more of those myself. Dave |
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I am just hot coating the bottom, the top side will get 1 layer of 1708 with 1.5oz matt on top of that to give me something to sand smooth. I feel since I am using 3/4" plywood putting glass on the bottom is just adding weight. Now if I were going to use 1/2" plywood then glassing the bottom would make sense. And the resin is waterproofing the wood good enough.
Blueheron.. The floor is pretty level when I pull a string and measure up the sides. It is pretty close, may be alittle off. You will never notice once everthing is put back together. The hull looks alittle twisted because the top cap is not really connected to the hull. Just a couple of screws holding it together. I had to undo a bunch in order to lift the top cap to get the plywood in. But I will definatly put a level on it before I screw down the floor. Once I get the floor glassed I will do the top cap. The space heaters work good but the reddy heater I bought for $30 off craigs heats the place up very good. I can even work in short sleeves!! Only thing is, kerosine is $3.40/gal. I guess I use about 2gal in a evening glassing. I usually keep it off when sanding and stuff. Thanks for the input guys. Next couple days will be slow. I pulled my back doing something last night. Maybe by thursday It will be feeling better. |
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Clamped on the fuel lines, cut the bilge pump hoses to length, and painted the bilge, box under console, and anchor locker with bilgekote.
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Run two stringlines diagonally across the deck as in the picture below. Pull the red one first, then pull the blue one over the top of the red one. Pull both strings tight and then slide a 2x4 block under each end of each string. The strings should touch in the middle. If there's a space between the strings, you have a twist. If there's no space, switch the strings so the red one runs over the blue one. If they touch again, you're good to go. Dave http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/u...t/DSCN0555.jpg |
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Thats a good idea. I will do that first thing this evening. Hopefully nothing is off to bad and I can get it corrected now.
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Well everything seems to be good to go. Pulled some strings and they layed on one another just right with either one on top. Also rough cut a bulkhead for the front, where the anchors will be stored. Maybe Saturday I can get the floor screwed down.
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Re: 1977 20ft Master Angler Restoration
Got the floor screwed down and the anchor locker cabosiled in. I will sand it down tomorrow and lay the glass this week. The top cap is still loose, thats why it looks uneven.
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Re: 1977 20ft Master Angler Restoration
Sanded it down tonight and filled the last couple of low spots.
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Dry fitted the glass tonight. I will get it glassed in tomorrow night. Also made some molds for the rigging and gas lines.
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Re: 1977 20ft Master Angler Restoration
What size PVC did you use? Did you have to trim the slots in the stringers a little to get it to fit?
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It is 3". I sanded all the high pieces of glass that were in the way. It was a tight fit and you had to push it down in there. But I do not think with it being in there tight would cause any trouble. I put some cabosil on top of it, mainly because I had some extra. I also drilled about 6-7 holes in the bottom of it on each end in the event water got down inside it because it is not going to be sealed up at either end.
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Sanded down the transom and fitted the molds.
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Re: 1977 20ft Master Angler Restoration
What is the purple puddy type stuff that you used?
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West System 407. Used it with epoxy on the transom and bottom of hull. I will fair the rest of the transom with quickfair. Got the top cap off. I am just replacing the wood at the rear of the cap. The rest is in alot better shape then I thought.
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Re: 1977 20ft Master Angler Restoration
Got the inner fiberglass cut out and cleaned up. Used paper to make some patterns that I traced onto the divinycell. Now I just need to sand alittle more. I should have the top cap back on by the weekend. I am going to keep the braces under the cap. From the factory they just put some mat connecting the brace to the cap, and it has cracked almost all of them. I will grind these out and replace with a couple layers of glass. Also drilled out all the previous repairs to the cap and will redo them.
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Ended up using 1/2" for the top cap coring. Got the braces under the top cap glassed and the front bulkhead. Used some West system 410 to start fairing the transom.
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Re: 1977 20ft Master Angler Restoration
looking good keep it up
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Thanks man. Put some quikfair putty on the inside of the hull this evening. This stuff is great. Goes on very easy. Started remodeling my wifes buisness this weekend so boat stuff came second.
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Are you going to replace the carpet inside below the gunnel or just paint? Does anyone know the purpose for the carpet?
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Yeah I am going to fair it out and paint it. I guess the carpet was to cover up the woven since there is no liner.
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I would think about putting a layer of matt over the quik fair and then some more quick fair while the matt is a bit green. I did on mine because I was afraid the flex would cause the quick fair to crack. That is just a guess on my part. somebody may know for sure
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I know that is what I was worried about. I went out there last night and pushed, pulled, and banged all on the side that I put it on. It actually is very strong stuff and did not act like it wanted to crack. Plus with raising the floor and tying everything together it made the side very stiff. When I bolt the top cap on, it should not be a problem.
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Been hard at it. Got the first coat of fairing sanded on the transom. Sanded all the inside plus the floor. All is ready for fairing. Started sanding the console. I will add some glass to the bottom edge and remove all the foam around the box.
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Ripped down a 2x6 to 2x4 and will glass this to the transom for support. The caps bottom edge should come right to the bottom of the 2x4.
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Finally got some work done on the boat. My dad came by and gave me a hand putting the top cap on and cutting out the new transom. Put the cap back on with 100 thru-bolts.
One set back lately has been some quickfair not setting off good. I know, I said it was some pretty good stuff. At first I had bought the 1.5qt kit and it was fine for the most part, sanded good, and not any soft spots. Then I went and bought the 1.5gal kit to finish the rest of the boat. I weighed it out on a set of scales, mixed it up with a drill paddle, heated my shed up with the heater and let it run for ever, and still had places that were completely soft. Now the outside of it before I started sanding was hard. Then after sanding a couple layers off, soft spots started appearing. I dont know if it was something I did wrong or just bad product. I do know that all the West Sytems 407 and 410 I have been using has not give me a bit of trouble. I ended up using some 410 to fill in the spots I had to grind out. Just about finished with my wifes shop so I came focus on the boat some more. http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/a...o/DSCN0783.jpg http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/a...o/DSCN0784.jpg http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/a...o/DSCN0785.jpg http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/a...o/DSCN0775.jpg http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/a...DSCN0772-1.jpg http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/a...o/DSCN0770.jpg http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/a...o/DSCN0778.jpg http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/a...o/DSCN0766.jpg http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/a...o/DSCN0765.jpg |
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Man thats some good work you're putting out there! I can tell that the apple didn't fall far from the tree! How's Mr.Donnie doing anyway? I had his phone number after I bought a downrigger from him a few years ago and lost it. Anyway, I see that your cap was in about the same shape as ours was. Did I read correctly...you used divinycell to recore it correct? If so did you find it local? I think thats the same route I'm gonna go with ours. I wish that we were closer, I'd like to get some first hand experience with you and your dad teaching my son and I! Take care and keep it up. Tell your dad hello...
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Thanks man. You all can stop by anytime. Dad is doing good. About to retire in alittle over a year. Him and a buddy built two carolina boats last winter and wants to build a bigger one once he retires.
My cap was in good shape other than where the rod holders were and bow section. I kinda messed it up on the top side of the bow. The flat bar went through it a couple times and the glass became flemsy when I took out the wood. Basically I am going to have to grind it down and relay some glass on the top side now. I ended up using 1/2" okoume with four layers of 1708 to recore it with. |
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I know the feeling about punching through with the flat bar!! We did it in quite a few places also...where we went through I layed up a layer of 1708 and then another layer of 1.5oz mat over it. I hope that will give me a base that we can sand and fair out and get it looking straight again after we recore it!
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Finally finished up with my wifes shop and she should be open next week. Just finishing up helping my buddy make the lettering for sign that will go on the building.
Finished up the transom tonight. All I need to do now is sand it some and add a layer of 1708 and 1.5oz mat over it and blend in with the rest of the gunnel. Filled in all the holes in the top cap and had a buddy come by and start sanding on the hull. Hopefully by the weekend he can have the whole boat sanded top to bottom. I am starting to run out of time and my buddy needed some extra cash, so it is money well spent. http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/a...o/DSCN0804.jpg http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/a...o/DSCN0821.jpg http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/a...o/DSCN0803.jpg http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/a...o/DSCN0809.jpg http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/a...o/DSCN0812.jpg http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/a...o/DSCN0802.jpg http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/a...o/DSCN0801.jpg |
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I like the lay out. Looks nice and clean. Are you going to put a live well in it? Paying someone to help with the sanding is one of the smartest things I have ever done :D
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Thanks man. Trying to utilize all the space. I am going to build a coffin box to go in front of the console. Dang coolers are so expensive and I can build the box for about $100.
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Re: 1977 20ft Master Angler Restoration
Let me start by saying your work looks great. I also own a 77' 20 ft. MA and I am interested in restoring. The boat has original deck and transom and is starting to show its age. The deck is solid however the transom has hair line cracks that are getting worse as time goes on. This would be my first restoration project(i will have help from my uncle who has built a couple of cape cod 19's) I am just curious on a ball park figuare for a complete restoration. I would want to enclose the transome and bracket the engine. I have a honda 130 4stk. and it weighs just shy of 500lbs. I tried moving the console foward but she still sit's a little low in the stern. Thanks for the help. I will keep you posted when I begin the project.!
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Thanks man.
These are all guess prices for new stuff. Now some things I bought used. And some things I was able to get discounts on. This does not reflect what I have in my restore. Bracket: $500-$2500 shipping is expensive Okoume Wood: $500 $75/sheet Supplies (cloth,resin,gloves,tape,cabosil....): $2000-$4000 Tank: $300-$1000 shipping is expensive New parts(shifter cables,screws,cleats...): $1000-$$$$$$ Labor: Priceless Plus last spring I put on $2000 worth of curtains and spray hood. It is not cheap to restore these boats. Favors, buddys with hookups and so on really help out doing this type of stuff. If you need any help just ask. Most pics on here will just about walk you through what your boat looks like internally. I have about 200 pics so far, so if you need any more detailed ones let me know. BTW I would raise the floor at least 4" if you want it to selfbail, with that motor on it. I put a 150hp yamaha 4stroke on at the end of the season. It weighs 475lbs. I marked the water line with minimal gear and fuel, and then with full fuel and gear and took an "educated guess" where the floor needed to be. Mine is a total of 5". I now have 20" from the floor to the top of the cap. That is what the SF's are factory. |
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