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Re: sanding and sanding and sanding
Hey GFS I got the latches from west marine they are boxed in a west marine box but they are Taco latches. I am probably going to use a gasket material from taco to. once I get the boat painted I will start looking around for the righjt gasket material.
Strick THat is correct I used the multimaster to bed the coring. THe bait tank is going in front of the console.since I shifted the console back I will have room in front of it. back to sanding and fairing. |
TOP SECRET!
Well I did a 8 hours of sanding today and did what is called "Poormans priming". I dont remember seeing it on here with all the restores. I learned this from a freind who had restored alot of boats. Basically from when I sanded the orginal paint of the boat there were some deep scratches from turning the sander on its side all over the hull. Here is what I did to smooth out the hull. I wiped the hull down with a wet rag with water to remove the dust. I went to my work truck and took out a half gallon of PVC primer. I dumped some in a mixing cup and with a rag wiped down the whole hull. I let it dry for about 5 minutes and went to down with the 220 on the palm sander with vaccum hook up. :D Make sure that if you do it you keep the sander flat, the whole point is to find the low spots..
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1162.jpg http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1171.jpg here it shows where the deep scratches are http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1166.jpg http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1168.jpg here is shows scattered all over http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1165.jpg I filled them all with Evercoat smooth glaze. being that they are so shallow http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1175.jpg finally ordering paint this week and hopefully priming by the end of the week. http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1174.jpg here is a shot of the pie plates in place that will acess the sending unit and the pick up tube. http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1172.jpg Not much to look at but I figured a couple of you guys would like the primer trick. Its cheap and effective. |
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Now you tell me :D
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sorry about that Chuck, but now you are a "experienced sander" with many hours under your belt :D :D :D
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Great Thread.
You can also use a product called DYKEM it is a layout fluid, a little goes a long way. http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...r/IMG_3269.jpg |
Re: sanding and sanding and sanding
Man you are fast.
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Primer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
got 4 coats (2.5 gallons) of awlgrip 545 epoxy primer on the boat over the week end. I was really happy with the results, the 60 hours of sanding and fairing paid off. The boat was sprayed with a Binks 2 qt pressure pot. the nice thing about this set up is you mix 2 quarts at a time also the gun can be turned any position and it keeps spraying. This helps out for spraying the rod and anchor lockers. There were very few runs in the primer, (they are already sanded out).
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looks good....What color are you going with? Mine is going to paint this week or early next week I have to finish my console and 3 hatch covers.
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Boat looks great. I'm interested in your scuppers. Which ones are you using?
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reelclassic I am going with Aqua mist on the hull. interior is going to be snow white with a contrast color on the non skid that hasnt been decided yet. I might get a little tricky and shoot the rod lockers the same color as the floor. I havent decided yet.
Zach the scuppers are going be be sea stops, they are a fiberglass rienforced plastic with a 12 degrees offset top to bottom so they stay closed until pressure is pushed against them from the inside. http://store.hamiltonmarine.com/browse.cfm/4,8103.html http://store.hamiltonmarine.com/browse.cfm/4,15032.html |
Re: Primer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Billythekid,
I've got a quick question for you. Is the pvc primer that purple stuff that comes with the pvc glue and do you have to sand the stuff off (in the low spots) before you fill with fairing compound. Thanks -will |
Re: Primer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Will yes it is the same primer that you get with pvc glue. I think the dykem(spelling?) is darker and might be better for the job. I have an endless supply of primer. The first side I used a rag (make sure you were gloves) The second side I rolled it on with a 6 inch mini roller and it went on much darker and much easier. I would advise taking a pencil circling the low spots and then sand the primer off. I had a little problem with bleed through on my Awlgrip 545 primer. As Strick says " Nothing a little Primer cant fix!" I just had to lay two more addition coats over it to cover.
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outside for a photo op
I rolled the boat outside today for a bunch of wet sanding, and who ever siad you cant get sunburn in april in NJ was wrong. I got about 80% of the boat wet sanded so another half day and we will be ready. Paint came in today along with another gallon of primer and converter that I went and picked up this morning. So that make alomst a $1000 in paint.
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some more work, Non skid , console modification
Before painting the boat I put the non skid down on the topsides Before I did it I had to spend a whole day taping everything off with vinyl tape. This was an extremely long processs to get right. It only took a half hour to put it down.
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1277.jpg http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1279.jpg http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1280.jpg http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1283.jpg here is my homemade salt shaker its a quart can from home depot http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1284.jpg here is the nonskid getting applied. I used a foam roller and used the salt shaker to apply the nonskid to get and even spread. http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1286.jpg http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1287.jpg http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1288.jpg here is the vinyl tape getting removed. the reason for the vinyl tape is it prevents bleed through. It is sold at any automotive store. http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1289.jpg http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1297.jpg While I am waiting for paint,I decided cut a bunch of holes in the console for all the rigging I also cut a bunch of holes in the boat. I decided I didnt want the flange on the console and I wanted it shorter. so I cut 3 inches off of the console and I am much happier with the way it looks http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1278.jpg here is my home made scribe tool. this is what I used to scribe the console around for an even line http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1318.jpg I used a some screw as a set screw to hold the pencil http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1320.jpg out came the trusty diamond tipped router bladed http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1311.jpg here is what is left of the flange http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1309.jpg http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1310.jpg here is the flange cutoff and the console flush to the deck. http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1323.jpg http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1326.jpg http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1324.jpg after looking at this pic I can tell it made a big difference cutting 3 inches off. I am going to layup a reverse flange on the inside of the console. for mounting purposes. The boat looks pretty slick. :D :D http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1322.jpg the interior is getting sprayed saturday morning. until next time |
Re: some more work, Non skid , console modification
Doing a great job & she's turning out looking super!
On the non-skid, did you shake & THEN roll with foam roller? I've seen the shaker method before, but it never came out evenly, whereas yours did ... nice work. |
Re: some more work, Non skid , console modification
65 bowrider I rolled and shaked and then rolled again. It went really quickly. It is all in the prep work!
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more console modification console modification
Gome some work done after real work this afternoon.I put the console down on a piece of formica to laminate against. I laid up the flange on the inside the console with 3 layers of 1708 and a 2 layers of mat. It was a pain in the ass to work inside the console laminating. I taped the outside of the console and went to work
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1334.jpg http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1332.jpg popped it off the formica. out came the diamond tipped router blade and it made shrt work of the flashing. http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1336.jpg http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1337.jpg I left a little over 2 inches to screw through http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1338.jpg after adding a couple more mounting points inside the console I decided I wanted it white on the inside. so I taped off all the holes and mixed up a quart of epoxy primer http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1341.jpg http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1343.jpg http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1345.jpg tomorrow is paint in the inside then I can non skid the floor and rig the inside of the boat. |
FINALLY GETTING SOMEWHERE!!!!
Well here we go I got alot done last week and I still had to work a 57 hour week. Alot of late hours were put in. I started with the console rigging while it was still out of the boat. I drilled and screwed the wire looms in place before I started any wiring. I have watched many boat builders do this over the years and it still makes the neatest job. After the panduit clamps were in place it was time to mount and rig the electronics,gauges,battery switch, washdown,water seperator. I also roughed in the battery cables for later.
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1358.jpg http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1365.jpg http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1367.jpg http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1363.jpg http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1368.jpg here are some of the wires all loomed up waiting for the console to be installed. http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1369.jpg This is where it made me feel like I was making some progress. The inside liner was painted awlgrip snow white. then deck and hatches were taped off and sanded 120. The decks were painted with a contrast color awlgrip Moondust. It took about 3 hours too tape the deck off. I am not the best at taping, :D but I was happy with the way it came out. http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1391.jpg http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1395.jpg http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1392.jpg http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1394.jpg http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1400.jpg This was a special touch that I added for someone who has put up with me while the rebuild took place :D http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1396.jpg I would have the outside sprayed but awlgrip mislabeled thier paint so tuesday. otherwise the console is going into tomorrow. till next time |
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I notice you are mounting the wash down pump in the CC.... is there no room under the deck? strick |
Re: FINALLY GETTING SOMEWHERE!!!!
It's really great to see boats like this one, Strick's, etc. where people are really going all-out on redoing them. It gives inspiration to many ;)
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Re: FINALLY GETTING SOMEWHERE!!!!
Strick I wish I had that steady of a hand, I went to my local sign shop and had them print out the vinyl lettering. I just made sure I peeled it up before the paint dryed. I worked alot better than I thought it would, there was zero bleed through.
Mark thanks for all the positive comments. I have really enjoyed redoing the boat, The next boat I will do will be a slower project. I was really putting myself to the pins to get it in the water for the spring fishing. I painted it today and did a bunch more rigging. I will post pics tomorrow. I have a few things left. mount and rig engine, batterys, rubrail, rod locker, livewell,bottom paint. thats it for now |
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Billy,
Fantastic! One of the best project documentations. I learned a lot and will use it in my rebuild. Are you spraying Awlgrip with just a face mask? |
Re: FINALLY GETTING SOMEWHERE!!!!
Billy,
Great job! Are you going to put a leaning post or anything seating-wise behind the console? BTW I think I saw you running under the Sea Bright bridge in this before you started the restore... |
Re: FINALLY GETTING SOMEWHERE!!!!
Strick to answer the other part of the question every saltwater washdown pump I have had in the bilge has turned to rust on me. so I decided to mount it in a dry place. I will see how it works in about 4 days! Tashmoo I wear a full face mask with top end filters on it. My friend Mark was wearing just a mask. Awlgrip is bad stuff, But as long as you are not working with it day in and day out. A GOOD FACE mask is all you need, We had the ventilation going the whole time with some cheap air filters over it to keep the air clean and keep the BUGS out. You would not believe how much the bugs like wet awlgrip. I will post some more pics tomorrow. basspond that was definately my seacraft you saw running under the sea bright bridge. I am planning on some kind of aluminum bench seat or small leaning post. I will have to have something built because everything I look at it either to tall or too wide for my liking. I got the motor on and bunch more rigging done. I will post tomorrow |
Re: GETTING CLOSER
You are hauling A$$ on that thing!! First class all the way :cool: :cool: What spray gun did you end up using and what tip size?
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Hey Strick my freind Mark who took first round of spraying used his Binks Mach1 with a 1.2 tip. Hopefully tomorrow I can get a couple hours in of work in.
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very, very nice
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I'm looking forward to seeing the livewell installed. Looks great.
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some final touches
here are a couple more pics got some of the finishing touches done. Everything powered up and works awesome.I dropped the boat in the water on saturday for a water line and to make sure we had no leaks..! There was one. here are some pics
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1424.jpg here is the livewell mounted http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1449.jpg another angle, The livewell itself is 8.5 feet off the transome and 11.5 feet from the bow. http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1451.jpg my new rod locker holders I scribed the old ones and cut the new ones out of 3/4" black starboard that cost me an arm and half a leg. http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1432.jpg http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1433.jpg Here is the extra panel I added for the lighting under gunnel, console, and inside console, I made some modifications to the back of the battery switch box and mounted the panel to it which made ot readily accesible and covers the back of the battery switch. http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1435.jpg This is where I mounted the washdown spicket, I know it looks a little strange but it is centrally located so I only need half the lenght of the boat for hose and between the console and the livewell is a perfect storage spot for the hose. http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1440.jpg one of the final touches http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1427.jpg here is some of the lightening for all the night time fishing I do. this is a tube light from birdsall http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1444.jpg I still dont know how I feel about these red lights yet. I know they are important for bass fishing. The jury is still out on them :D http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1445.jpg here are the Led lights under the gunnel. The front ones are Hella and the back ones are west marine brand, I like the generic west marine ones better and the were cheaper :D http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/DSCN1446.jpg I am waiting on the welder to shorten my aluminum bench seat. I am waiting on an order from west marine (which is a joke) for some gasket material and latches. Its not the managers fault its all corporate. I could have mail ordered the stuff 10 times over. |
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very, very nice. the red lights look nice, they will work fine I am sure. It would be nice if they "flowed" more and weren't so directional. Maybe it is just the picture.
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Wow...
This came out amazing, excellent work! Saw you at Bahrs in your Yellowfin Sunday, kind of hard to miss that boat. That is one sweet rig as well. I was drifting the Highlands bridge worming some short bass. |
Bugs!
That was me do you fish the bridges often? I am at the bridges religously (spelling?) in the spring and the late fall. Anyone know why bugs like fresh awlgirp? I have vacuumed them out of the boat 3 times now!????
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You did good Billy !!!!
See ya, Ken |
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Dem liddel buggers awl wana bugger each other ya cee cuz theyawl wana grow up to be lac beatles so's thay cun make shelac, cee. Cuz da Frinch like shelac on dare fernachur cuz it shinee like a bote. An dares watr on bothe cides of Franz so's day like botes. an day also wana be like beez so day go to awlgrip to get the buzz like da beez...
Sorry temporarily influenced by some dude in Dixie... Solvent based finishes gas off numerous hydro-carbons (against Al Gore's will) but virtually all plant flowers also gas off alkane hydro-carbons - pentothane, hexane, heptane, whatever (that's the fragrance they put out). I spray a lot of lacquer and I really notice different fragrances/odors of different colors, pale yellows, for example, really smell like bananas.. some other studies have shown color affinities from bugs as well, if they're landing on blue paint maybe they like blue bonnets or blue orchids... Ain't really an entomologist but I've always been able to match the hatch on fly fishing trips -- Shuks, that awl I got fer ya, heh, heh :D |
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Oh, Yeah - Miss Nicole is looking fantastic! Great work BTK!
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Guys sorry for the late response, I really apprecaite all the nice comments about the boat. I will add some pics of it in the water in a couple of days. I have put 40 hours on the boat already and it runs great, I know a couple of people were wondering about the scuppers I put in. The work awsome, I have got very little water in the boat and when I wash the deck off it goes right out the back. Boat wakes at the transom and the scuppers keep it all out. I put a new leaning post on the boat that was smaller and fits perfectly.
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Re: some more work, Non skid , console modification
I am starting work on my '78 20' MA console now and like what Billy did reversing the flange. My console has the cooler/seat in front of the console so reversing the flange would make it impossible to get screws in. Anyone addressed this problem or have an approach for securing the front portion of the console? I could not find any strings addressing it.
I thought if I screwed the back portion down under the console and bedded the front cooler in 5200 with the cooler full of water to keep it bedded until the 5200 set I would probably be OK. Thoughts? THX! DaTNGrizz |
Re: some more work, Non skid , console modification
A quick idea. (I don't like 5200. In my opinion, it is used much too often and ends up costing more time and aggravation than it's worth. But I do admit it has its place.)
Consider this. Make a base that is screwed down/permanently attached to the deck where you are going to 5200 the cooler into place. On top of that you can devise a mount or tray for the cooler. Then, the cooler can come on and off as needed or is convenient. You can design it in such a way that it will overlap the flange of the console and not limit you in pulling ot moving the console if you need to. If you decide to change your mind/configuration later, it is only a matter of removing that base (probably a few bolts through the deck.) Just my 2¢. |
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