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dirtwheelsfl 11-19-2020 10:36 AM

Razor knife and straightedge oughta be able to make the cuts, just have to figure out how to get consistent depth.

JBASS02 11-19-2020 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by FLexpat (Post 269962)
Something like this might make thinner cuts
https://www.amazon.com/Bullet-Tools-.../dp/B00KM0RLUU

Have you tried the blade? Looks like it got mixed reviews.

JBASS02 11-19-2020 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kithogue (Post 269963)
Will the bulkhead on the casting platform be glassed to the cap or just tabbed to the hull sides?

Nice looking work.

I'm glassing everything to everything. No one will be able to say I didn't make the boat stronger.

The anchor bulkhead will be glassed to the cap as well as the layer of glass on the hull side coring.

JBASS02 11-19-2020 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dirtwheelsfl (Post 269971)
Razor knife and straightedge oughta be able to make the cuts, just have to figure out how to get consistent depth.

This was what I tried first and it was surprising how little it did for the flexibility. The foam wanted to break instead of bend. I think the width of the saw kerf helps give the foam more flexibility, it just means I'll have to fill the gaps. I epoxied three panels last night and they worked well.

dirtwheelsfl 11-19-2020 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JBASS02 (Post 269977)
This was what I tried first and it was surprising how little it did for the flexibility. The foam wanted to break instead of bend. I think the width of the saw kerf helps give the foam more flexibility, it just means I'll have to fill the gaps. I epoxied three panels last night and they worked well.

Yea no biggie, gotta be filled anyway. I wouldnt think shipping on the scored stuff would be that bad? they can roll it up like a burrito and get it pretty compact, and its only 32” wide.

JBASS02 12-01-2020 12:57 PM

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Some progress pics. Seats have been ordered so I'll be finalizing the seat benches once they arrive. I'm going with pill shaped scuppers that will be flush with the bottom of each side hatch gutter, if I need to plug them I'll have to make a custom plug. The scuppers will have the exterior clam shell like dirt and kmoose. The center hatch mold has been made and hopefully it gets glassed this week. I also decided to stop the hull coring at the bench seats, figuring that most of the wave impacts happen from that point forward. I also was going to have issues with hinge clearance with the side hatches.

JBASS02 12-04-2020 01:26 PM

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First hatch is out of the mold and it fits!

TMala 12-05-2020 03:07 PM

wow looking good!

JBASS02 12-07-2020 12:30 PM

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Was able to get one gutter for the scupper roughly dry fit this weekend.

JBASS02 12-17-2020 01:09 PM

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The deck is now glassed(mostly). I still need to clean up around the hatches and tab them in. The cardboard piece at the scupper will be the scupper hole, which I'll cut once I get the scupper gutter piece epoxied and glassed in. I've been doing a bunch of final mock ups for the helm/cockpit area... and I may rebuild the cuddy piece, we'll see. I'm not totally happy with how it's working, and what's a extra week or two of work at this point. I got one more hatch lid glassed, too.

dirtwheelsfl 12-17-2020 08:36 PM

I like those scuppers!

JBASS02 12-21-2020 12:47 PM

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Weekend update. Front face of seat boxes is fitted and glassed.

JBASS02 01-07-2021 12:03 PM

update
 
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I decided to redesign the cuddy. I went with a three panel design at the bow which will give me more room at the helm. I cut apart the old cuddy and have been reusing the pieces so hopefully very little will go to waste. The front and inside edge of the seat storage bench is glassed in and I glassed one of the shelves last night. I glassed one of the new cuddy sides last night and will glass the other side tonight. I finished all of the floor hatches which feels like a major step forward and a lot of new walking space on the deck.

JBASS02 01-07-2021 12:07 PM

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Couple more images

JBASS02 01-22-2021 05:57 PM

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The cockpit floor now is glassed in and both of the seat back are cut and ready to be glassed in(hopefully this weekend). I layout and cut out the coring for the transom boxes. One of the gunnel splits has also been glassed back to where the transom box begins.

JBASS02 02-08-2021 02:34 PM

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Made some big moves this week. The coring is now glassed and ready for fairing, same with the seat boxes. I still need to finish tabbing in the deck hatches and transom storage boxes, then lots of fairing...

If anyone is on the fence regarding coring the hull sides I can now say that it is incredible how rigid the front hull is now. There is zero movement when you press against the top edge of the hull(and will only get more so with the cap installed). I'm excited to see how it feels going through some decent size chop.

JohnSeaCraft20sf-561 02-08-2021 03:27 PM

Awesome work man! Going to be starting to core mine here soon. What did you use to laminate the divinycell to the hull? Core bond? Also how many layers of glass to you use? Thanks!

JBASS02 02-08-2021 05:31 PM

I used thickened epoxy to bond to the hull and fill the kerfs and gaps before glassing. There are two layers of 1400(alternated orientation) plus tabbing. Like I mentioned earlier you'll be impressed with what a difference it makes.

JBASS02 02-11-2021 03:26 PM

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Should I add more glass to the anchor locker? I've been on the fence weather I need to add more glass to the hull sides in the anchor locker. If so how much? The liner that was in there was fairly thin as I recall(~1/8") and it worked fine so I figure the hull should be fine. I also don't want one of my buddies to drop the anchor and damage the hull. Let me know your thoughts.

Old'sCool 02-12-2021 09:14 AM

I like the Contender style anchor storage with the vertical pipe glassed in. That way the anchor only goes there.

Beaver 02-17-2021 01:10 PM

Regarding the anchor locker, your boat is coming out so rad that I am reluctant to recommend anything...but... Harbor Freight sells rubber pads(12"x12"?) that have a diamond plating look and are shock absorbent. They are also easy to cut, have self adhesive backing and are cheap. I covered the whole inside of my locker with them and its worked great. The adhesive has held tight for 4 or 5 years so far.

I used to hate the sound of anchor chain slapping in there on a rough ride home from the islands, it totally eliminated it.

JBASS02 03-08-2021 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Beaver (Post 270815)
Regarding the anchor locker, your boat is coming out so rad that I am reluctant to recommend anything...but... Harbor Freight sells rubber pads(12"x12"?) that have a diamond plating look and are shock absorbent. They are also easy to cut, have self adhesive backing and are cheap. I covered the whole inside of my locker with them and its worked great. The adhesive has held tight for 4 or 5 years so far.

I used to hate the sound of anchor chain slapping in there on a rough ride home from the islands, it totally eliminated it.

My old man recommend the same. I think that's what it'll be, or something similar.

JBASS02 03-08-2021 02:30 PM

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There has been a bunch of progress since last post. I started fairing the hull sides and epoxied the cap on. I did a significant amount of head scratching to figure out all the angles and keep everything symmetrical, and mostly worked. The boat does fit through the garage door which is a plus. I'm currently working to figure out how the design of the windshield and how it will attach, and be removable.

lelandtampa 03-08-2021 11:34 PM

Hell yeah man. That looks great.

Beaver 03-10-2021 11:14 PM

All that below deck storage is going to be really nice. Your boat’s looking great!

JBASS02 03-16-2021 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by lelandtampa (Post 271042)
Hell yeah man. That looks great.

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Originally Posted by Beaver (Post 271062)
All that below deck storage is going to be really nice. Your boat’s looking great!

Thanks. It's starting to feel like there is some light at the end of the tunnel.

JBASS02 03-16-2021 11:54 AM

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The windshield is together, I still need to glass all the seams. I'm working to get the windshield mounting flange on in the next couple nights. Then I'll be ready to flip the cuddy and tab the inside together.

JBASS02 03-30-2021 12:11 PM

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The cuddy is on for good. I've made decent progress since the last post. The first round of fairing is on in the cuddy space. I have a lot of glass work to finish up in the next week or so then I'll start on the transom boxes. Hoping to be done by June 1st... only 8 months behind schedule.

dirtwheelsfl 03-30-2021 12:56 PM

Talk about squeezing every inch outta that hull! Love it

DonV 03-30-2021 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dirtwheelsfl (Post 271257)
Talk about squeezing every inch outta that hull! Love it

AMEN brother!!! :)

strick 04-01-2021 10:27 AM

Thats a lot of work you been doing there very complex...gonna stay dry for sure the way you have it set up...like the radon boats? those are interesting hulls you see them once in a while in the marinas along the coast. Nice work and thanks for documenting it here on CSC

strick

JBASS02 04-02-2021 11:11 AM

Thanks guys. It's definitely been fun and way more work than I originally thought, haha. Seems like my time is spent 20% planning, 10% glassing, 40% sanding and 30% day dreaming of trips and adventures we'll have on the boat.

JBASS02 04-02-2021 11:19 AM

The top of the gunnel has lots of both spider cracks as well as long cracks along the outside edge of the gunnel. I'm planning to lay some glass over them and am wondering if a layer or two of veil cloth will be enough to stop them from showing through? Or do I need to use heavier glass(biax)?

DonV 04-02-2021 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JBASS02 (Post 271297)
Thanks guys. It's definitely been fun and way more work than I originally thought, haha. Seems like my time is spent 20% planning, 10% glassing, 40% sanding and 30% day dreaming of trips and adventures we'll have on the boat.

Does the 30% include beer refreshments while day dreaming?? :)

steel686 04-03-2021 08:40 AM

Really impressive amount of concept and engineering. I’ve been to CA once and it was Santa Barbara. Left thinking how it feels so different than the East Coast. That design is going to be awesome and I want to see video of that 20 in action. Imagine it will feel a lot like the Bruce Brown footage. Thanks for providing great content.

strick 04-03-2021 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JBASS02 (Post 271298)
The top of the gunnel has lots of both spider cracks as well as long cracks along the outside edge of the gunnel. I'm planning to lay some glass over them and am wondering if a layer or two of veil cloth will be enough to stop them from showing through? Or do I need to use heavier glass(biax)?

The light cloth should be enough.

Strick

JBASS02 04-05-2021 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DonV (Post 271299)
Does the 30% include beer refreshments while day dreaming?? :)

I traded Beer for Ice Cream a few years ago and I'm not going back.:)

JBASS02 04-05-2021 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by steel686 (Post 271305)
Really impressive amount of concept and engineering. I’ve been to CA once and it was Santa Barbara. Left thinking how it feels so different than the East Coast. That design is going to be awesome and I want to see video of that 20 in action. Imagine it will feel a lot like the Bruce Brown footage. Thanks for providing great content.

If you make it SB again shoot me a message. I'll definitely post some pics and videos when I start getting out again.

JBASS02 04-05-2021 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by strick (Post 271309)
The light cloth should be enough.

Strick

Great! That's what I was hoping, it'll be a lot easier than biax.

JBASS02 04-05-2021 02:47 PM

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Weekend updates.

The exterior of cuddy is fully tabbed on, still need to do the inside. Working through the long list of small items as well as planning out the transom storage boxes.


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