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Just pull the circlip holding the bar on and turn it over. :D

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Strick,
Looking good. Do yourself a favor and chain those boat stands together if you're not going to block the keel at the transom, especially if you're going to be crawling under there.

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Strick

“There are some imperfections. I don't know how they got there because the mold was smooth. I'm thinking too much wax”

The imperfections that you are getting are called alligator or pre-release. They are caused by one of three things, either the gel-coat is to thin, the cure time of the skin coat is two slow, or the gel-coat pre-released off the tool from shrinkage "to thick". From the pictures the Gel coat looks good, no pin holes/fish eyes/pools. I would bet cure time of the skin coat.

I used to build a lot of one-off molds and I would use Whiteboard for a tooling surface “particleboard with a white melamine surface bonded to it”or Formica. The material is not porous like MDF and is about the same price. We used 3-coats of high temp wax and one light spray of PVA. I think Home depot sells something like it now.

Great Job with the Boat! Keep up the good work.

http://www.thelaminexgroup.com.au/tr...ials/index.asp

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Don- Last night I tried for about 4 seconds to screw the grab bar in the upside down position but it seemed to not want to thread so I just ground a little off the lip. After reading your post just now I tried it again and I got it to thread. There was a ding on the threads that was making it difficult. Thanks for the tip.

Scott-thanks for the tip I'll do that.

EGreen- I've heard of alligators but this is my first experience with them. Thanks for identifying it. You are right the polyester primer was not too thin. I layed it on thick. However it's been hot here in calif these last few days and I was wondering if that could have had an effect. The part generated a lot of heat while in the mold. I think the cure time of the skin coat was fairly fast due to the increased outside temp. Maybe it was #3? due to a gel coat too thick? I've been using the white board for my flat molding table and never a problem.

Thanks for the input fellas

strick

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Hey Strick-

Your bracket is coming along pretty quickly.

As far as "alligatoring" is concerned, my experience with it was teh result of cold temperatures or not thorough mixing of teh catalyst.

Alan Viates writes about it in length in one of his books. However, for the time being...I thought these two links should be able to give you a clue as to what caused your problems.

http://www.fibreglass.com/trouble.htm

http://www.dsm.com/en_US/html/drs/ge...leshooting.htm

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Thanks Ed After reading that I think that I may have not added enough catalyst to the skin coat. Temps were hot that day and I decided to use a little less catalyst to increase my working time. I did not want the part to set up too fast. At least it was only in a few small areas. It's fixed now. I will do another light sand and then another coat of primer and it's going on then boat hopefully by this weekend.

Here is a close up of what alligatoring looks like.

http://www.casdvm.com/photos/20sf/DSCN6588.JPG

strick

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Slow going this week. Work has me running around putting out fires. Spent most of the day digging footings for the new shop. I've been waiting 4 months for the building permit and I finally got it yesterday. first the engineer screwed up on the plans so that had to be fixed and then the city took it's sweet time getting the permit issued. I rented a mini backhoe and let Jared go at it.

http://www.casdvm.com/photos/20sf/DSCN6679.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/20sf/DSCN6692.JPG

I managed to get the bracket faired, sanded and primed after work this week. I did a test fit to see how it's going to sit. I'm having some 1/8 inch SS square washers punched out at a local welding shop and they should be ready on Monday. The bracket is pretty much finished. I still have to put in a drain plug, and cover a few small annoying pin holes then sand with 220 grit. It will get painted when I paint the rest of the boat.

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strick

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Looks awesome Strick.....as usual... :) Is the bottom
parallel to the keel as on your other one or does it have a little rise front to back.

At least you get to sand in the shade.. [img]/forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] I'm not sure there's anything worse than sanding in that position. It's looking great though....so hang in there....I need you for inspiration.

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The keel of the bracket runs parallel with the keel of the boat. I have not got a weight on the bracket. My fish scale only goes to 50 pounds. I may have to estimate. The bracket took about 11 gallons of resin which is about 100 pounds of resin. The glass I'd have to say weighs about 40-50 pounds. so I'm gonna say about 140-150 pounds. I'll try and locate a scale before I permanently bolt it to the boat.

George has been doing a good job of sanding off the blistered gel goat. One side of the bottom of the boat was not too bad but the other side has lots of blisters.

strick

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Strick, Boy do I know about that freakin' permit process.
11 months for architect and 4 months for building permit.
Impact fees, etc, etc. I quess it is the same no matter what state you live in. It is all about the money!!!!! :(

Any how the boat is lookin' real good! Break-out the old
bath room scale although not 100% accurate, it will be close.

See ya, Ken

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Speaking of the bathroom scale!
I recently saw a trick for determining the tongue weight of a trailer using one. The trick was to take a stout enough board and a brick or two. Set one end of the board on the brick and then set the tongue of the trailer 1 ft. to the side of it on the board. Then place the scale 3 or 4 ft. from the brick depending on the mecanical advantage you need to reduce the tongue weight so that the resulting reading is within the range of the scale. Then multiple the reading on the scale by the ratio of the number of feet from the brick to the scale. ex. scale 4 ft. from brick with reading of 100 lb. would work out to 400 lb. tongue weight. Not surprising, but ingenius!

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I bought a digital bathroom scale today. I needed one anyway. I wish I had never stepped on it. The bracket weighs 142.3 pounds.

strick

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OK Never minad all that stuff. :D

How big is the Shop going to be? 40 X 60 :D

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I got a small taste of an afternoon in the life of Strick today. My girls went to Mouse World without me, so I got to come home from work and sand/grind fiberglass for 4 hours. What big fun. If I had 2 or 3 afternoons a week to do stuff like that, I'd be going fishing on Friday instead of just now bringing the boat to the painters shop.

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It's going to be 30x30. Thats the biggest the city will let me put on the property which is zoned residental. That and the 18x32 carport were the 23 is going to live should give me enough room to get what I need to get done. I figure the 20sf will fit into the shop. It will have two 10 foot roll up doors and a couple walk in doors and windows. It's not going to be anything super fancy but rather a place to store all my junk and get a little work done. Tomorrow evening we will be forming up the footings.


strick

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:( It's not big enough. A center console with T-top will not go thru a 10ft tall door.

I have a 30 X 30 X 14 tall. This is so I can have a 12ft tall roll up door.

My boat will not fit now. I will fit with the height, but the boat on the trailer is now 33ft long.

I just have 1 door. 14wide X 12ft tall. This leaves room for tool's and work bench's along the walls.

I have a elect outlet every 6ft along the walls. I only use 25ft ext cords. Any longer and they are always tangled. :(

It had to go in at a angle to work around the boat with a 30X30 and no bracket on it yet + pulled forward on the trailer.

http://www.classicmako.com/projects/...s/fdb6e899.jpg

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Absolutely amazing work! I have a 20 that will need some work in the next year or two but I dont have the skills to pull that off.

Very nice job!
SOS

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One thing that would help is to put the door to one side. I find that buildings are like boats. You will always wish you whent a bit bigger. My building is fifty feet long. I kick myself for not going with a sixty foot.
Maybe I will ad another next to it.
I have three storage containers all 40 ft but they are full. Time to start the two year rule. If I haven't used it in two years it should go. Problem last time with that rule is my wife thought since we had extra room she could get more stuff. She never get rid of anything.

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What happened?????? Bumping this to the top hoping for an update.

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Sorry the lack of activity on this project. I've been taking a little break from the boat to go fishing and have been working on a new shop as well. I should be back in the saddle soon. :)

strick

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Strick on the fuel tank hatchm how much resin did you use? Just trying to plan for my tank hatch. :D

As usual, nice work!

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Alex-

To be honest I cant remember. I just keep buying 5 gallon pails. I'd have to say around 6-8 quarts if you made me guess.

strick

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bump for any updates

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I was wondering when someone was going to surface and ask for "The Rest of the Story." The last couple of weeks have benn like going through withdrawal or something.

Strick, how's the shop construction coming at least?! We all wish you the best and MISS your postings. :D :D :D

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Ok time for an update. A lot has been going on around here however not much of it with the boat. I will post what little that I've done. More importantly my new shop is 95% complete all I have to do is get power to it and start hanging electrical components.

When I left off we were digging footings:

http://www.casdvm.com/photos/20sf/DSCN6678.JPG

with that complete we set the forms for the foundation. One of my buddies helped me get the forms up so we could pour the slab. I trade work with him as he has horses and we don't charge each other.

http://www.casdvm.com/photos/Shop/jpeg60142.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/Shop/jpegP5260143.JPG

finished slab

http://www.casdvm.com/photos/Shop/P5260148.JPG

A couple weeks later the crew arrived to install the 30x30 shop.

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Fully erected. There will be a breeze way connecting the two

http://www.casdvm.com/photos/Shop/DSCN6771.JPG

Now it was time for me to get busy with the inside. I put some shelves up so I could get some of my junk up off the ground.

http://www.casdvm.com/photos/Shop/DSCN6791.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/Shop/DSCN6792.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/Shop/DSCN6794.JPG

I got some cabinets from a client for free. They were remodeling their kitchen. A little white paint with my airless and they look good as new.

http://www.casdvm.com/photos/Shop/DSCN6797.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/Shop/DSCN6804.JPG


The SS counter tops I got on Craig's list. Some guy pulled them out of a Togo's sandwich shop. I had to do some cutting and riveting to get them to fit.

http://www.casdvm.com/photos/Shop/DSCN6806.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/Shop/DSCN6808.JPG

Now for the boat.

I've mounted the bracket permanently to the transom. There are a total of eight 1/4" square washers holding the flotation chamber to the transom and four 1/8" washers attaching the swim platform to the transom. To seal the bracket to the transom there is about one tube of 5200 that I applied. She ain't going nowhere....till death do they part.

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The gunnel cap had tons of little spider cracks so I ground them out.

http://www.casdvm.com/photos/20sf/DSCN6739.JPG

cut some pieces of 2 ounce matt to fit

http://www.casdvm.com/photos/20sf/DSCN6741.JPG

and laminated them in place

http://www.casdvm.com/photos/20sf/DSCN6744.JPG
http://www.casdvm.com/photos/20sf/DSCN6745.JPG

These areas were then sanded/quick faired and sanded/quick faired and sanded once again.

http://www.casdvm.com/photos/20sf/DSCN6774.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/20sf/DSCN6775.JPG


The underside of the hull was a mess. Tons of blisters from years of neglect. In many areas the gel coat had to be sanded off to get thru the blisters.

http://www.casdvm.com/photos/20sf/DSCN6824.JPG

Showing some areas were I had to quick fair

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On the inside of the hull I put some 1" cloth over the rest of the exposed joints were the gunnel supports are. No joint has been left unlaminated

http://www.casdvm.com/photos/20sf/DSCN6750.JPG http://www.casdvm.com/photos/20sf/DSCN6751.JPG

These areas were then sanded and quick faired.

http://www.casdvm.com/photos/20sf/DSCN6825.JPG
http://www.casdvm.com/photos/20sf/DSCN6826.JPG

I've ordered some Awlgrip primer and when it comes in I will give the entire hull a good sanding then primer the hull so I can see were I'm at as far as fairing goes. Thats it for now. The dog days of Summer have finally arrived here in california. 108 degrees in my neck of the woods today.

strick

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Strick,
The Boat and Boat House look great!!
You may want to consider putting in a big gable fan in the back of the shop, with the temp at 108 that metal shop is gonna warm up.
See ya, Ken

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Strick,
We should have known! How sweet is that shop? Out(damn)standing!!!!! A cot and a fridge, and your wife will never see you!!!!!

At the risk of shooting myself in the lip; talk to your buddies and see if you can come up with one of those ladders that run on a track (library style) and attach it to that upper shelf overhead. Then the rack rate will go from Hilton to Waldorf!!!!! :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

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Man that shop is f---in' man's paradise! I am green with envy. Glad to see you back on the boat project.

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Thanks fellas for the kind words.

Ken- right now I'm making due with one of these:

http://www.casdvm.com/photos/20sf/DSCN6833.JPG

however I do plan on putting in some kind of ventilation and will have the wiring in place. It's very hot in there but when I open the two roll up doors and windows it cools off fairly fast.

BigLew- I've already taken care of the ladder. Craig's List is a great thing! :D

http://www.casdvm.com/photos/20sf/DSCN6832.JPG

Ed- paradise is an understatement.... I've been doing backflips in there. I only go in the house now to eat and sleep. [img]/forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

strick

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Strick,
We should have known!!!! Your ladder is the perfect answer.

Now, with regard to only going in the house to eat and sleep; I did mention something about a cot and a fridge. No- on second thought, that's probably not a good idea. Cali is a "community property" state and if you put the cot and the fridge in, you'll never go in the house; she'll sue on the basis of abandonment and she'll get half of the SeaCrafts!!! Not a good idea!!!! :D :D :D :D

P.S. I haven't heard from Carla on the steering wheel hub for JC.

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I'll bet you had a hard time hijacking that ladder from Home Depot... :eek: :eek: :D :D [img]/forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [img]/forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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You can use old coat hanger's to hang part's on it for painting too. :D

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I just rolled it out the door and know one even noticed :D JK of course

strick

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It's the roll around flat beds you always see in the parking lot that make me want to bring one home.. :D
Ken

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Thanks for the update....that shop is sweet

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Strick, Scott Wilmot from Orinda here.
I would love to come and see your work as you progress. Maybe even give you a hand for any two person work. Sure would help me understand my boat better and perhaps give me ideas for my 23SF. email me offline: scott@babyproofpool.com

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Just realized that original post was 2006! Looks like the only "work" left is a celebration kegger. Strick, your persistence to finish the project was only surpassed by your efforts to chronicle the event with pictures to this website. Thank you.

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I believe he is still working on the 20, After he finishes the man cave. :D

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You call it a "man cave", at my place we call it "Dad's second most favorite play pen!"

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Scott the boats not done yet so no celebration for a while. The Tuna are starting to show off Monterey so it may take longer then I originally thought. You are welcome to stop by anytime. Send me a PM.

strick