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http://www.jerseyboat.com/inboard_options.html

Silverhawk Inboard

http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/5/6/42284256.htm

is that seamist Green?

[ March 31, 2003, 04:10 PM: Message edited by: Rich ]

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Seafoam Green ?? My ol '57 color.

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Is the Silver Hawk an old Sea Craft mold?

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There is a thread running on thehulltruth.com about the same thing. And the Guy building Chaos boats in NJ got really PO'ed that people said the same thing. He's said no the two are not the same but the hull is based on the 23 Potter built boat, and that they fixed some of the problems Potter had with his boats. Years ago I was contacted by one of the builders of Silver Hawk about building T-tops for the boats. He told me that the hull was the 23 Sea Craft and the had just fudged the stern a few inches and rounded the corners. I decided not to get involved due to the shady nature of the owners and past bad deals they had pulled on others.

Don Battin
Pipe Dreams Marine
www.pipedreamsmarine.com

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Ive got to kick in my two cents on this one... I posted on thehulltruth about this whole issue. Next time you are at the boat show, look at the 23' sea and the silverhawk: the damn things are almost identical; hardly any changes were made, and none to the running surfaces. I was told by the guy from jersey marine while at the boston show that Me: "hey this looks like a seacraft" Jersey Marine Rep: "yeah thats because it is, with a few little modifications, we just put a few of our own layout ideas etc into the deck and added more camber to the transom." Go check it out: http://thehulltruth.com/6/ubb.x?q=Y&...1126059161&p=1 It was one hell of a funny argument.

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Not to further speculate about the differences in the SeaCraft and Silverhawk hulls, but I have to chime in. My buddy is a Silverhawk owner, and according to the dealership he purchased his at, the hull is based on the SC 23, but so as not to infringe upon patent and copyright laws, Jersey Marine Industries had to make sure their mold did not touch a SC hull in at least 3 areas (I don't know which 3). This allows JMI to essentially copy the SC hull without any legal ramifications.

Don, this same friend just had to replace the T-top because 3 of the welds broke. On the good side the manufacturer covered it under warranty, on the bad side he had to trailer the boat to NJ to get it fixed. He's picking it up this week.

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The variable deadrise hull patent has long since expired. But with the recent relative "success" of Hinkley's "trade dress" suits against several "copy cat" builders (Hinckley reaches settlement with "Copy-Cat" boatbuilders), I would think Tracker (clueless) would be all over these guys. If there was ever a trade dress issue or unique feature, it's the SC hull.

I sound like a lawyer. Ouch!

Otto

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yeah, the patent has long expired, i have heard that and thats why everyone and their brother gets away with the rip-off: oh well, atleast they are heading boat design in the right direction: the potter way

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http://www.pogy.net/pictures/seacraft23.jpeg

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http://www.pogy.net/pictures/silverhawk.jpg

Holy Crap . . . Those guys at silverhawk are jerks. Nice work BJ.

[ April 02, 2003, 09:53 PM: Message edited by: Bigshrimpin ]

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Their not the only ones, looks sailfish. They accually used an old SC mold. [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img]
I was talking to some dork that sold Palm Beach (PU) and he's laying it on me how their designed after the Seacrafts......what'a goof! [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]

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I agree that the boat is a Sea Craft, but its funny how the people involved with the boats say they are not. Like ScootM said they just changed it in 3 places ..round the corners and it looks like the flare maybe a bit more, but hell what do we know..we just look at these things everyday in our yards..

Don Battin
Pipe Dreams Marine
www.pipedreamsmarine.com

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Yeh - this discussion has happened a few times. Trayder and I were checking out a 236 Sailfish at the show and it looked odd - even knowing that it was a certain Seacraft knockoff. It took a bit to register but we noticed that the strake that cuts thru the first hull plane at the bow is missing. Plus its nipped and tucked differently in the stern and there is a little more bow flair. The guy at the show was pretty good about it too. He said why should they try to hide that its based on one of the best hulls ever made... I was a little impressed with the Sailfish for the money, it had more value @ 40K than the real Seacraft 23 does at 68K (Mass pricing). The 266 streched Sailfish was OK too... The Sailfish 20 was a dead ringer...

I didn't talk to the guys at Silverhawk. They seemed to be mildly resenting the people streaming diaganoly across to the Seacraft booth. And the few double takes going back and forth.

I wanted to get a close look at them but I really didn't want to take the shoes off. I will say that the cuddy they built was pretty sharp though.

Who else knocks 'em off - Keywest, Casco Bay, who else?

[ April 03, 2003, 08:07 AM: Message edited by: John R ]

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I've worked on a few Casco Bays, the hull is a dead ringer but the liners are differant and I think they mold the console right into the floor. They put this stupid molded in box for the Fire ext. right were you would put the leg for a T-top.. drives me nuts. They look good with a T-top but the whole thing would look better if I could move that leg back 6"..oh well...

Don Battin
Pipe Dreams Marine
www.pipedreamsmarine.com

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This is "BigPimpin"! I'm lookin at the transom and prop pockett and its a dead ringer for my 23' IB!

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Key Largo 206 has the seacraft hull too. The 203 has a different hull.

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Hey good picture for comparison BigShrimpin... i havent seen a seacraft without bottom paint to compare the pics to, the lines look pretty damn exact, correct me if im wrong. Good thread, atleast people can do their own research and decide its a copy than listen to some salespitch from silverhawk as in "its a totally different boat, and its been completely retooled" what a joke: not that it isnt a nice boat but for all that money? It's a seacraft.

[ April 03, 2003, 02:59 PM: Message edited by: BJGreen ]

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Bling..Bling Bro.. waz -up

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BJ. I put the photo's up on thehulltruth.com to see if the "Jerzzzzey boyz" are around.

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Hi. I'm around. You guys crack me up! Glad you like the boats.

Mike.

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MP - welcome to CS - what cracks you up?

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I knew there was a reason I liked those boats!!

Just looked at a bunch of them on boattrader.com - they definitely appear to be the same hull. They don't look like a bad boat either.

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My plan is ruined. MW you guys make a good looking seacraft [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

[ April 05, 2003, 07:19 PM: Message edited by: Bigshrimpin ]