Magictilt VS Loadmaster
 

I'm looking at buying a new trailer for my 20 and these are the two I'm looking at. The Magictilt is a TALS 2044 4400# net and the loadmaster is a 19-21 5200#GVWR. The Seacraft dealer said it is just as bad to over trailer as it is to under trailer. They put the 20 and the 21 on these two trailers. Opinions??

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Hammer - those are two good choices,I bought a Towmaster which I think is made by the same guys as Loadmaster(Nextrail), and I've seen the Magic tilt's and their nice.Any big alum I-beam is the way to go, and I like the torsion suspension over the leaf springs.As far as " just as bad", no way for obvious reasons, not the least of which are legal/insurance reasons.But the Seacraft guy has a good point, for the smoothest ride, you need to load the suspension and overkill doesn't buy anything.Did you ever notice how a pickup rides smoother on the road with a load? So I would say that you should pick a trailer that is gonna cover your loaded trailing weight range, and don't compromise that.But beyond that, bigger isn't better.In my opinion, Seacrafts are made for bunk trailers park the bunks next to one of those "steps" and you can't help but load first time, every time.

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I have a 3100# single axle galv EZ Loader bunk to put my 20' sceptre on.This is plenty, another axle is just 2 more tires to dry rot. My 20 may weigh 2600# with full fuel and gear. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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I CAN SAY AMEN TO EVERYTHING BILLYBOB HAD TO SAY. I ENDED UP WITH A LOADMASTER FOR MY 23’ WENT TO THEIR MANUFACTURING FACILITY IN THE TAMPA AREA TO BUY MINE DIRECTLY FROM THEM, AND THIS IS MY SECOND LOADMASTER I HAVE BOUGHT. IF I HAD TO DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN I WOULD BUY ANOTHER LOADMASTER THEY WILL STAND BEHIND THEIR WORK AND IF YOU EVER NEED PARTS THEY WILL SHIP THEM TO YOU. I ALSO HAVE NOTICED THAT SEACRAFT DEALERSHIPS HERE IN FLORIDA USE THE LOADMASTER TRAILERS AS WELL. I AM SURE THAT OTHER MANUFACTURERS DO VERY GOOD JOBS AS WELL. I GUESS WHEN YOU HAVE HAD SUCCESS WITH SOMETHING AS IMPORTANT AS A TRAILER FOR YOUR BABY YOU STICK WITH IT.
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Rudders - that second set of tires is wonderful if one of the first set rots & blows. Might by you some time to safely get to the shoulder of the road...

Hammer - I recommend you check your states towing regulations and any states that you'll tow thru. I know up here they are really cracking down on making sure people's trailers - and certainly new ones - meet all current state requirements like tandem over a certain weight - up here I think it's 3500#s - and brakes on at least one axle...

Thanks,

John

[ April 29, 2003, 10:40 AM: Message edited by: John R ]

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I bought a Rolls.Put My boat on it trailered it bout 15 miles & parked it.It was available to Me from a guy I do business with Gave a heck of a deal on it.driving light it stayed on the road w no bounce at all. I never heard of this trailer mfg before,all allum. stainless I think its a little overkill .Tandem as discussed before was a saftey issue along w/ brakes & torsion.although My single/torsion performed well with My 20 MA.
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Ok, as long as the trailer subject is up and on the minds, I have a LoadMaster under the new boat. I like it!!!!!!

Now, here is the question of the day.....

Which hubs do you guys prefer? The standard greased hubs or, the new oil bath type hubs????

Inquiring minds want to know.....

John

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Connecticut requires brakes on both axles. I'm not sure but 3000 lb. and above sounds right.

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New Question!

Both trailers look REAL nice! But do we like torsion axles or leaf springs??

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TORSION AXEL IS THE WAY TO GO. LAST LONGER AND NOTHING TO RUST OUT. IF YOU GO WITH BREAKS GO WITH DISK BRAKES LOADMASTER SELLS A STANLESS STEEL DISK BRAKE SYSTEM.
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For my other boat I went with Loadmaster10,500# cap with torsion axles, Turbo Lube oil bath Hubs, Stainless fasteners, Quick change hub/spindles and Kodiak Stainless Disk Brakes.

I am thrilled with this combination. Due to the fact this particular trailer has (3) axles I am even more thrilled at how trouble free it has been. With my previous trailer I was stranded 5+ times a year with some sort of major failure that cost me time $$ and many busted knuckles.

I highly recommend the Torsion axles and the Stainless Steel fasteners package. As for the Turo lube hubs, no issues yet and 50,000 miles between service is fantastic.

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Hey Gents-

On Friday,I am ordering a 6,000lb Magic-Tilt aluminum roller with 50 yellow poly rollers. After talking with the trailer dealer, I am going with stainless fastners, leaf springs and disc brakes. According to him, boats (like mine) that sit on their trailer year round put a lot of stress on torsion axles and as a result, they tend to cave in toward the fender over time. He felt that the leaf springs would stand up better over time.

I am sure there are two sides to this argument, but I believe this guy because he repairs a ton of trailers and is a dealer for 3-4 brands.

As far as bunks versus rollers are concerned, I opted to switch to rollers because winching my boat onto my existing bunk trailer with 10-12 foot tides and a strong river current was a PAIN IN THE ARSE.

I will let you guys know how I make out with the Magic Tilt after I pick her up.

-Ed-

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I agree with Trayder on the torsion axles being more maintenance free. A buddy of mine has had his torsion axles for as long as I can remember. Only thing he HIGHLY suggests is washing them REALLY WELL after each use or you will be sorry later. His boat sits on the trailer all the time, more than it should, and his torsions have never sagged. There is a guy that I know that did have problems with one of his but, I suspect because he abuses and neglects his stuff so bad, the lack of the TLC most likely caused the problems....

John

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I know this was a freak accident, but I'll share it with you.Years ago, I was trailing a 17' bowrider through town slowly.All of a sudden a leaf spring snapped, that side of the axle swept under the trailer, the straps broke,the boat skidded down the road and came to rest against the curb right in front of this VFW hall just as if you had driven it down the road and parked it.
I can only imagine what would have happened if I had been on the Highway.
I went to call a flatbed and when I returned there was a paper plate on the boat that said "High tide 2 o' clock"
Not my day.

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Hammer,
I went back and checked after we talked last week. My Loadmaster is rated 6000#. It has the Kodiak disks, turbo lube hubs, stainless kit, and 6" wide Cypress bunks. It tows so well behind the Suburban I can (almost) forget it's back there. As you know, the nearest salt is 200 miles, and I'll make this trip every othe week this summer. Let us know what you decide.
Tim

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Well....I got it!!
A 2003 Loadmaster 19-21 6000# with torsion axles and turbo lube quick release hubs. I'm going to load the boat tonight! Pictures soon............

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Jack,
One thing I forgot to mention, I had to cut about six inches off of the rear of the bunk after the trailer was adjusted fore and aft. Although it didn't touch the trim tab when it was fully retracted, I was afraid I might forget to retract the tab prior to loading.
Tim

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GREAT CHOICE HAMMER
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Jack,
Sorry it took me so lomg to get back to you, I've been swamped at work. I measured my trailer, and it is 7" exactly from the front of the crossmember to the back of the winch stand. But now you've got me thinking I may have too much tongue weight. I'm not sure what the correct amount of tongue weight is, whether it is a % of total weight or a specific weight. Hopefully somebody can answer that. All I know is I need to find a scale and weigh both my total weight and the tongue weight.
Tim

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I like Trayder's configuration. Quite frankly, after all this work and effort to create a classic SeaCraft masterpiece, the LEAST you can do is partner it with the best you can afford.

When we trailer to the islands, the trailer gets 300 miles a weekend and maybe 5 to 10 hours on the boat. It's as important to me to have a GREAT trailer as it is to have a great tow vehicle .

Otto