Time to repower .... Suzy DF140?
 

Time to spend more $$$

Is this "the" motor for the 20'?

The new yamie F150 looks to be 56lbs heavier.

Guys that have one, like, dislikes, cost?

Any other thoughts, i am looking into all options 2 or 4 stroke.

- Nick

BTW: Thanks Scott, Ronnie at Monahan's is the man.

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Heres a 140 suzi 2 stroke for half the price
of the 4 stroke. If money is not a issue the
4 stroke w/6 year warr would be nice. I think
the Yam is too heavy.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=50439

Chris

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04 FICT 150 Johnson.. Burns the same fuel as the 4 stoke, with more punch.. Plus it comes in white to match the boat.. [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img] Thats the way I'm gonna go when it time to retire the 88 spl

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Nick,
Glad to hear Monahan's worked out for you.

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Hello Nick-

I was a die hard Yamaha fan, have had twin 200's on the Contender and they have been flwless for over 500 hours.

However, I chose the Suzi 140hp 4S for my 20. I am in awe of this engine.

Never have I spent so little on fuel. I filled my 55 gal tank once back in August and have gone on 4 decent fishing trips. the tank now reads 2/3 full!!!

It is quiet, clean, efficient, less expensive than its competiters, proven, and lightest in its class.

As a bonus for me, my best friend, Scott Potter at Viking Marine is a dealer and is down the street from me.

I am thrilled with the engine, give Scott a call @ 401-682-2339.

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So Jason, how is the boat? I haven't spoken to you since the cookout when the engine had just been put on.

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Scott-

I love it!

Having run the boat for a month now I know I really love it.

Did you see your boat on the home page [img]images/icons/cool.gif[/img]

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Jason,

I talked to Scott at Viking, he was very helpful.

He has a used DF 115, that is tempting. I could be satisified, but i could use a few more pony's up to the DF 140 at the same weight.

What kind of speed/performance are you getting?

I am going to check out the show this weekend.

I may need to come down to listen to your baby purr before making a decision.

- Nick

BTW: Don, i am still very happy with the top/enclosure, especially this week, brrrrr .... get some sleep!

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Nick-

You are always welcome to come down.

Give me a week for performance #'s as I have only looked at my speedo, through the engine pitot tube. I have not kept record of true GPS #'s.

With full tank, full crew 3 guys + gear and bait. I can hit 40MPH and cruise at 30mph.

This is with the speedo give me a week for GPS numbers. I suspect my sppedo is 2-3 mph high?

The most drastic performnce enhancer came from the trim tabs but I think you have a set?

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I think you'll be happy with the Suzy 140. Brand wise they are reliable. HP wise, for comparison: I run a 130 Honda on my 20. WOT = 40mph gps at 5600 RPM with a medium load, yet I can troll as slow as 2.2 mph. A few more ponies and less weight will increase the top a bit, yet not be so much engine that you won't be able to slow troll (if that's your thing).

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Jason,
Thanks for giving me top billing, I was wondering when Scott would be de-throned [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] . I'll have to send you new pics showing the Yammie & jack plate. Glad to hear the boat is working out so well for you. How's the fishing down your way? It's starting to heat up around here - Dad had a 36# striper from the beach yesterday morning, plus a few others in the 20-30# range [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] .

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Hello Scott-

The fishing has been insane. We have been taking the 20 to Cuttyhunk for an evening every week and been doing very very well.

Looking forward to new pics of your boat.

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Scott - Was that 36" or 36 lbs.?? We've been taking some nice fish around a "certain beach" up to about 42" My dad made the local papers and OTW with a nice 42" 25 lb. and I took a 42" 25/30 lb. class fish on light tackle while chasing schoolies. He didn't mind making the paper except they called him "83" yrs. young when he's really only 81!

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Be sure to check out the Di engines. They burn less gas then the 4 strokes and have alot less maintance then the 4 stroke. For the 400 hour service we charge 700.00 for it. Plus there are oil and filter changes at every 100 hours. If you dont use it much then I guess it would work out ok. I am going to run a Evinrude 150 DI on my 20. I just have to find the time to hang it. Striper season is comming up and I hope to have it ready by the end of the month. IF you want the color to match the boat order the Johnson 4 stroke. Same engine just painted white. Plus the last I check the Johnson is cheaper then the Suz. What it comes down to is what engine style do you want. Today if you choose the 4 stroke or the di two strokes you are getting a engine that will last for years.

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That would be 36 pounds, 45 inches. Tell Red he needs to leave the bigger fish for the young guys like me [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] . The way he gets around, "young" best describes him, that's for sure. Glad to hear you guys are slayin' em.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hmmmm.....Looks like I really have to finish her now .... [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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Joe .... Do you guys carry the Johnson 140 ???? and will a Johnson dealer look at a Suzuki and vice versa ???? Do you know what kind of dealer network is available in Ocean County NJ

Nick ... I've been on a boat with twin 140's .... AWESOME !!!

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Scott, for Suzuki I recommend Chestnut Neck Marina. Good people and service.

Stay away from Tuckerton Marine! [img]images/icons/mad.gif[/img]

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Thanks Chris .... I thought Tuckerton had them ....and thanks for the heads up....

Hows the project coming ???

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Joe,

I am not about to start a 4stroke vs DI debate here however I need to make some points. A $700 400 hour engine check is pricey for the 4 strokes yet lets add up 400 hours worth of DI oil. At 400 hours if you average 6 gallons per hour fuel burn you will eat up 2400 gallons of gas. At a 70-1 average fuel to oil mix you will burn 36 gallons of oil at the retail price of $17.99 or so per gallon( I have seen it as high as $23.99) is $647.64, almost as much as the 4 stroke 400 hour check. Another thing, my plugs on my DF 115's cost only $1.50 at the local auto parts store for NGK's, the oil filter is also about 5 bucks.(try that with a honda) Correct me if I'm wrong but Optimax plugs go for about $15.00 EACH! What's the retail cost for your customers for the 'Rude plugs? Another point, do the DI's require any 100, 200 or 400 hour checks besides plug, lower unit oil or impellers? That's my 2c. [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]

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Briguy-

I agree 100%

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Trayder, Just bought my 20' home from the suzy dealer with my brand new df 140 hanging on the back. It came with a 14x21. What prop are you running? What about your wot? Can't wait till tomorrow to gently start breaking her in.

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Fly,

It took about a 6 pack and one nice cigar to break in my Suzi's.

Brian

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Fly 20-

I have an Alum. 14 x 21. WOT I hit 42-46MPH depending on load. Still loving the engine

Joe-

11.99 is an Amazing price, Cheapest around here is 17.99 and that is for bulk oil.

[ October 09, 2003, 12:01 AM: Message edited by: Trayder ]

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We will not look at the suz. Even being the same engine the wire harness thru boat along with the warning system is different between the two. As for prices we sell the Di oil for 11.99 per gallon. Spark plugs are 8.68 each and should be changed every 100 hours. The DI engine gets serviced every 100 hours. Cost with parts 120.00 As for 4 strokes at 100 hours you have 37.45 for the synthetic oil which is strongly recomended to be used in the 140 plus 10.00 for the oil filter. Spark plugs are also changed at 100 hours at 3.20 per plug. Cost on the 100 hour service on your 4 strokes with parts runs 150.00. Then there is the 400 hour service. Sure you can find cheaper oil and filter but with the money you spend on these engines is crazy to put cheaper oil into it. Both engines at 100 hours get more then the plugs changed on the DIS and oil, filter, and plugs on the 4 strokes. The engines get decarbonized, gearlube changed, ECM updates and downloads. We carry the 140 in the 25" model. I believe BUDS outboard is your closest dealer. We are about 25 miles from ocean city.

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I guess prices depend where you live at and how many dealers are in your area. I find it hard to believe that they can sell oil at that price. But then again if your the only dealer in town I guess they can. If I had to guess I probley have at least 10 dealers in a 30 mile range. This is what keeps prices in check in our neck of the woods. Plus our boating season now with striper season now last 9 months. From what I here some areas have about 4 months and thats it. THen you would need to charge that price to make it. The more I think about it the more upset I get hear what other areas get. I would be able to retire by the age of 40. Even at that price I am making some money. But at 17.99 wow.

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Hum .... I was ready to pull the trigger on the DF140, but lately i have been hearing E-TEC.

They sure make them sound exciting .... wonder if they can pull it off?

Weight seems the same for 135, 150, 175 block as compared to the DF140 .... hum .... naturally would have to pick the 175!

Has anyone heard price comparisons vs DF140?

If way over, i would go suzy today. If not .... hum ... i need to be nice to my old Yamie for one more season.

- Nick

slow boat to Stellwagen ...

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Scott at Viking has some used 2002 DF115's for 6K with warranties. I know its not a 140 but I think the 115 might be close performance wise to the the 130 you have now, just a thought.

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Hello I have a 20' with the 140 4s no problems runs great etc etc. No speed demon but so smooth and quiet, people don't believe its running, with a 6 yr warranty, Down here in Florida you can purchase them for 7-8 grand all day long, white or drk gray HOW CAN YOU GO WRONG??????

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Sounds like the DF140 is a great motor. If under $8k, i would jump on it, but not until they offer the 6 year warrantee again.

Up here in Mass, i was quoted a price on a leftover '03 DF140 at $9k. To me that is a pretty good chunk of change. Although if problem free and 6 years warrantee and save on fuel (a wash on oil changes/verses 2-stroke oil) would justify the cost and still may jump on it. Going to wait and see if 6-year comes back at the Boston boat show this winter to decide.

Also just my thoughts and observations, if anyone cares below;

I guess since my Yammie still runs fine, i may wait to see how the E-TEC or others high tec motors work out? Also, months ago i was sold on the world would be going 4-stroke. Now, i am starting to see and feel that high tec 2-strokes are on the push even more.

Don't get me wrong, i think all of the latest technology outboards are good. Too this point, what frustrates me more is that the prices of new gas-hog carb-2strokes have not fallen. Will they? Would be nice if they were 1/2 price of new technology. If so i would buy, spend the diff in fuel and wait it out.(although there are ocassionally deals on EBAY)

For example; if i wanted to replace the Yammie with a new 115 carb 2-stroke, price from ED's id $5,500. Add in new controls, gauges, oil tank, prop., cables ..... ~$6,800. In my opinion, still lightly underpowered, need to install, warrantee issues, would not make any sense to purchase. Obviously more HP, more $$.

So .... i guess the bottom line is for me;

If i had to pick from a high tec 4-stroke or 2-stroke .... price, oil cost, weight, fuel consumption, noise, emissions all being equal

I would pick 2-stroke(IF simple design and no belts or external oil container!! Will E-TEC have one? .... i want to fill a reservoir on top of the motor to last a trip ... remember though, key is oil cost remains the same vs 4-stroke).

But as others stated in other posts, the real key i feel is that it comes down to a local dealer. Unfortunately, you pick the make/technology you like ... but the local dealer sucks. So, do you go to the dealer you like, and your second choice make/technology or travel to better dealer on your 1st choice?

The less i see a dealer, the happier i and they will be .... which today leans me towards 2-strokes because of less maint.

- Nick

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We have not seen the etec yet but i am 90% sure the oil tank is mounted on the engine. Plus no dealer service for 3 years under normall use.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I find it crazy to have to change sparkplugs in a 4 stroke every 100hrs. Look's like Dealer padding the ticket to me. [img]images/icons/frown.gif[/img]

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Congrats Nick! I'm sure you're gonna love it.

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Well if you can't beat them, join them!

I put a deposit down on a leftover/new '03 Suzy DF140.

As others posted, with the 6 year warrantee plan back ... "How can you go wrong?"

If, in a few years the 2-stroke technology catches up to my needs, the resale of a DF140 with years of warrentee ... "How can you go wrong?"

So for now, 4-strokes are better than 2!

- Nick

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No matter what outboard you purchase today in the manual it states every 100 hours to change the plugs. This has to be done to maintain the STAR rateing. Im not trying to press the issue to sell plugs.