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does anyone know the hull dry weights on the old (70's)23cc potter hulls? or the weights on the post (80's)potter hulls? the new ones are 3070 lbs and i was told that the post potter hulls of the 80's where missing about 900 lbs in glass? not sure how true all this is but i figured someone here would know if the later models where cheapend versions of the origional potter hulls of the 70's.

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According to the info I have the 1978 model CC weighed 2650#'s without engine. I suppose the other year models by Potter probably were the same. I also have an old Tracker brochure from 1988 that lists the dry weight of the 23 CC at 3100#'s. It is strange that the Trackers were heavier since the Potter hulls have always been considered to be the stronger hull. The Tracker hull was rated for a max of twin 150"s and the 1978 was rated for 400 HP. Hope this helps.

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kajroxygurl,
450 pounds would be about the weight of a motor. Maybe the tracker numbers were dry with a motor on. You would have a hard time puting 450 pounds of extra class in a hull that size.

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It does sound fishy and maybe it is including the engine weight. The brochure says under the specs that "weight , boat only : 3100 lb." I get the feeling that since they were advertising each different model as a package that they were including the engine in the weight. At the least is was certainly misleading. The package price for the 23 CC was with a 200 Mercury/Mariner and was advertised at$17,995. Sure wish a new 23 was that price now.

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I thought the 70's 23 were around 4000 lbs? maybe I heard wrong.I'll ask a friend tom he has a 71 ,23 and had it weighed without the motors.RS.

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I'm not sure if it's true with boats or not but the term "Dry Weight" for many motorized devices is total weight less fluids (fuels/oils/etc) and that may be the same in that case. They may have included the base engine in that which was probably around 350-400 pounds at the time. The few older SC and other boat brochures I've seen (and some new stuff) usually indicate hull weight or weight no engines...

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Hookedup

Like kajroxygurl I've been told the original weight for my 76-77 hull was 2650 lbs. Somewhere there is a thread that was started about this topic and one of the guys on the site had original literature for this year (76-77). I'll see if I can find the link and put it up here.

Here is that link.... 1976 Specs

[ September 05, 2002, 11:38 AM: Message edited by: Scott ]

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My 1988 brochure which said the 23 CC weighed 3100 lbs. also listed the 23 Sceptre at 3300 lbs. Must have been making the boat the same as in 1985 since the listed weight is the same. The 20 CC is listed in the same brochure at 2100 lbs. which is 500 lbs. more than the 1978 20. Since every model in 1988 seems to be 400-500 lbs. more they may be including the engine weight just as JohnB says. I don't see how they could have possibly made the 20 500 lbs. more than the 70's models were.

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Factory brochure 1985 Sceptre boat only 3300#

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My 23 CC 89 brochure and manual say "boat only" 2950 Lb. The same as my 92 21CC Sea Ray.

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The 1979 23' Sceptre was rated for 600 horsepower outboard!! I saw one years ago with the twin 300 Evinrudes. Ive always done fine with a single 200 to 250. At the time I was also looking at the 26 Aquasport Family Fisherman but saw that the Seacraft was a shorter, heavier boat which could hold much more horsepower thus I figured must be a better boat. I visited the Princeton factory and saw the boats being handmade and met Bill Potter. We had to wait 8 months but we had our boat done from scratch just the way we wanted. I think the total package, boat, engine 200 Merc and trailer was around $17,000. 23 years later, new trailer and fourth engine but same boat, best decision ever made! http://www.theboatzone.com/albums/marks23/mark23_a.jpg

[ September 23, 2002, 06:38 PM: Message edited by: markdpm ]

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Hi - I had a 1975 18 footer and it weighed around 15-1600 Lbs dry - no fuel and no engine. If my recollection is correct, the 23 CC that year weighed 3100 lbs dry. Seacraft in those days didn't "carry" as much capacity as other boats their size because they had so much glass in them and a boat can only displace so much (pounds of) water. The more glass, the less capacity to carry because hull weight plus the capacity equals the amount of displacement.

I have a 1974 23 CC (I/O) now and I am going to have it rebuilt by Metan Restorations in Mass. All I can tell you is it had to delivered to my house on an oversize trailer and I was told that with the engine and outdrive it was around 5000 lbs.

Hope that helps.

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Hey Otterly, it would be very nice if you could work with Metan on a pictorial representation of the restoration. I've seen some pics of their work on their site ( http://www.bostonboating.com/metanmarine/ )and it looks pretty good but please consider documenting the before, during, and after processes (and I can head up there and get the boat if you decide you don't want it [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img] )

[ September 24, 2002, 09:15 AM: Message edited by: John R ]

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Otterly, i wish you had mentioned Metan Marine before you settled with mike, i got a bad rub from the guy and wouldnt recommend his work, its a good thing i met a few previous customers before i brought my boat there, otherwise i'd have a hole in my pocket and a chip on my shoulder. If you are going to spend all that money, bring it to a real boat shop, not a tent in some guys backyard. I've seen five of his works first hand and have fished on one. Not impressed. The nonskid he does is slippery as a bastard when it gets wet, i almost went head over heels fighting a bluefish and had a stumbly rest of the day. Get a few estimates before you settle for a lesser quality job. And remember your friends on the web can level with you, i would certainly speak to you in person about it. Good luck and if you havent finalized anything yet, respond here and we can chat. Happy Holidays.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well - it sounds a little late for that chip on your shoulder [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img] ...

I don't want to come across too harsh here or like I have a hair across my ass but your first and only 2 posts on Classicseacraft have been to dredge up old posts just to trash Metan. That often comes across as a board troll or simply slamming. Now I'm not saying that I doubt your sincerity here (OK, maybe a little [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img] ), or that you don't have reason to be harsh on them but when your only 2 posts here are to bash a company, you lose a little credibility.

So instead of bashing these guys right off the bat (not saying they do or don't deserve it), why don't you tell us a bit about your boat and just say hello or something first.

Now after saying all that crap, I do agree they are expensive and I haven't seen their work close up so I can't judge that.

So on that note - welcome to C-S and tell us about your boat. And where on the Cape do you fish out of, hehehe...

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The only thing I can say about that is, I've been F'd by dealers in the past. And I bash them every chance I get. (makes me feel better) [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]
Plus I figure they have it coming.

Anyone want to hear about the dealer that didn't put lower unit oil in my new Suzuki 115? Then to make matters worse they didn't put my prop nut on and I lost the dam thing! [img]images/icons/mad.gif[/img] ........Sorry I got carried away, and off the topic....... I'm better now.

[ December 09, 2002, 10:13 AM: Message edited by: Finster ]

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Hey Finster - the meds are wearing off [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]

BTW - nice pic with the kids - can't wait to get my son out on the water next year

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John,

Thanks for that comment. I sincerely appreciate how positive and confidence inspiring CS is and I'm paying for the privledge. I can get negativity anywhere.

How many guys donated something to Jason (Trayder) for running this site? I chalange you all to match my $100 (or more). Click the donate button at the bottom of this page.

Happy Holidays!

Otto

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Yo Otto - this winter I'm going to build an 8' Graphite Spinning Inshore rod - Fuji Seats & Guides, over/under wrapped, CS Logo on the butt section if I can get it to work right - or maybe a conventional boat rod - and donate it to the site for an auction or raffle (or Trayder can fish with it [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img] )... How's that?

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A CS logo rod? Now your talking put me on the list!

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I was referred to this site by a friend who told me he had seen a post about Metan. A lengthy conversation about Metan had ensued a few days earlier and he was quite appalled by what i had to say about the quality of the work. I fish a 23' with a 225 yamaha outboard out of stage harbor and he thought my input might be of import to anyone considering bringing their seacrafts up here because i was going to have a rebuild done by the guy and am glad i didnt. A board troll, ive never heard that. I was just giving some "been there done that knowledge" for you guys and if you doubt it, bring your boat up here and deal with his hassle; but be advised that someone told you first.

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Cape Guy,

So advised. Now get over it, please.

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Understood (a bit better)...

So did you have a rebuild sone or are you still looking into having it done/doing your self?

Seriously, welcome aboard...

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Well look at that Johnny... it seems this post has dredged up another unhappy customer! Go take a look see... http://www.classicseacraft.com/cgi-b...c;f=1;t=000019
And this guy has first hand knowledge, his boat is on the website...

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Capeguy - I fold my cards, you're right, I'm wrong. I don't know what else to say [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img] but I'm really over it now. I found a way to get passed it.

OK, let's try this again, welcome to the site, how the hell are ya? [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]

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I seems to me that we should invite POSITIVE comments and reccomendations on shops or persons that do good to exceptional work.

If you don't have anything good to say...

Otto

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I think your wrong....if somone or place does crap work people should know about it. I see tons of people every year get screwed. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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Hi Gents-

I am sorry but I had to add my two cents on this Metan Marine issue.

First of all, if someone has had a bad experience with a vendor, I think they have the right to air the dissapointment here. I don't think this site should try and protect a vendor by trying to censor negative feedback on their work.

On the other hand, if there are customers of Metan Marine out there who have had positive experiences, let's hear from them as well.

In the end, the quality of the work coming out of the Metan shop (either good or bad), will be the ultimate judge.

Ed Mancini
1991 Mako 231 "Tuppens Tournament Edition"
Fishing out of Newburyport, Massachusetts

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I agree ... let's here the GOOD, BAD and the UGLY?

- Nick

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If any of guys are really considering work by metan please come by and check out my boat before hand. I live 1/2 hour away from him. And I will give the whole uncensered story. And by the way I have nothing to gain or lose by telling the truth.I just dont want to see him deface another classic.

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Hammer Slammer-

Sorry to hear that your boat restoration didn't work out so well.

If you need more work done on your boat, you should call Jodi at Wilco Marine, in Newbury, MA (978-465-1282). I will start out by saying that Jodi is a friend of mine and I also work ocassionally on Saturday's with him when he is busy.

However, I will also say that he has an excellent reputation in this area and does excellent gelcoat, awlgrip and structural work (transom, stringers, decks, etc).

Ed Mancini
1991 Mako 231 "Tuppens Tournament Edition"
Fishing out of Newburyport, Massachusetts

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HS - also sorry that the work wasn't done well on your boat. The pics on the Metan site don't do much justice either way with your boat - as that's what they are - low quality pics.

I also think that realistic comments, good or bad, should be brought up. I just read that as a slam...but I'm not going to dredge up any more crap, I promise [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Now with all that crap said, HammerSlammer & Capeguy, I realize you 2 are sincere about what you've seen and experienced with them. Unfortunately, when it comes time to do redo one of those, my budjet means I have to do the work myself and with help (or as much as possible).

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Hi John R-

I think with all the resources available on this site, and all of the experienced guys within an hours drive of you, you'll have a lot of help & support to do a restoration when your time comes as long as you have the time and patience. Not to mention the boatload of money you'll save by doing it yourself.(That's why I help my friend out at his shop on Saturday's ....so that I can learn from an expert and be able to do most of the work on my boat by myself when needed.)

Ed Mancini
1991 Mako 231 "Tuppens Tournament Edition"
Fishing out of Newburyport, Massachusetts