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HP on a 20ft CC
Does anyone know what the min and max hp on a 1970
cc. One more thing, at one time it was a cuddy but was changed to a cc open fisherman. Thanks for all of you help. W. Smith |
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Tango ....Welcome
I'm not sure about the HP for that model but here is a Start I dont think the rating would have changed all that much (info is based in 1978 ) |
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Tango, if you're worried about maxing out HP I think you'll max out on weight before HP. I have a 150c Yam on my '71 and I can't imagine anything heavier, I tried a 130 honda 4 stroke but would have had to re-build transom or add a gil bracket. I've got about 4" of freeboard remaining at the transom which ain't much. Min HP to get up: guessing 90hp on the newer engines but that would be like molasses. I get 6-8 gph at cruise 32 mph, top around 40 mph down hill, wind from behind...
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Tango,
Dont go more than 415lbs,the Honda is way too heavy for the 20's. The 140 Suzy or Johnson 4 stroke is a good choice for fuel savings. A small block V6 older carbed Yams like the 200 Pro-V only weigh 415 lbs. The newer Fichts to 175 are light in weight also if you can trust them? chris |
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My brother-in-law's family has a 1969 yellow seacraft that originally had an 85 evinrude on it and it allegedly ran great even with the 85- it now has a 140 evinrude on it, and man is it fast. Does 40mph+. The 140 is a good choice as it is still based on OMC's v4 block and you get the most bang for the weight, and the buck too for that matter.
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Does any of the hp rating change when adding a gil bracket to the transon? I am closing in the I/O hole and will then be adding the bracket.
Thanks for everybody's help. |
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One more thing where is the 415lbs max coming from ?
Thanks again |
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The bracket moves the weight further away from the transom and unless it is a flotation bracket, i would certainly keep weight in mind, going with a lighter motor on a bracket. With a bracket, you generally pick up 5-10% more speed as the motor is back away from the boat where it gets cleaner water. I dont know of any formula for computing horsepower with a bracket.
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I am new to this board, very new but, I do have some insight on this. I have a 79 Master Angler running with a full platform bracket, floatation type. It has a 94 Yamaha 200 carb motor on it and works fantastic. It was even better after I installed some Bennett trim tabs. The bracket has a 26" setback. The performance is outstanding as well, cruising between 38 and 40 with a top speed of 52. I wouldn't put more than that on it, though I have seen some strange installs before. There is a guy down here in Miami that runs a 20 with a 300 Merc on it. Now that is sick...
John |
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JohnS,
What brand of bracket did you go with? |
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Ya know, I honestly don't remember. The bracket came from a guy down here that had purchased it and never installed it. His boat got stolen so, no use for he bracket. The bracket is aluminum though I have seen the new "glass" ones. Not sure about the glass ones yet. I know they look great but I want to know what they look like in five years. Stainless Marine makes a great one and B-Bracket makes a really nice one as well. I think this one is a B-Bracket.
www.stainlessmarine.com www.bbracket.com John |
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Oh, by the way, my boat is seriously for sale if you know of anyone looking for a 79 Master Angler. I will post some pics on Monday if anyone is interested....Let me know..
John |
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A freind of mine has a '71 20 ft. with a B-Bracket, he has a 150 merc.He's had the bracket on the boat for 8 years,it has held up well. The only thing he's had to do is repaint.John how much are you asking for the boat?
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I am asking $11,000 but, I have a new boat in the works so I will take $10,500 if someone is really interested and willing to take care of the boat. I know cash talks but I really would like to sell it to someone that will really appreciate it as much as I have.
Email me if you are interested in pics and I will take some on Monday when I get my digital camera back from my friend who borrowed it. You know, the friend that borrows things then forgets to return them......We all have some of those now don't we. I really do not want to part with this boat but, the family size is dictating it and so I must. Being a single dad taking care of two boys all alone doesn't allow for me to have two boats. Now that I have a girlfreind that has three of her own, well, the boat has to go. John PS. I really like the B Bracket and it is close to tangofniro too.... |
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Tango,Armstrong makes a nice bracket with positive floatation.If your going with a heavy motor I would install a positive float one.JohnS welcome to the site,Ill mention your boat to a buddy tomorrow hes looking for a 20 Seacraft.RS.
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My 1986 18 foot SeaCraft has a 1992 Mercury carburated 200 hp v6 on it. I know that this probably exceeds the boats rating but it was on the boat when I purchased it and I was unaware that this is a lot of hp for that boat. The transom is solid as a rock and I overhauled the engine this past season. Needless to say, the boat is like a bullet, although I prefer to take it easy on the old girl..Toadfish
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I want to go with the positive flotation with suzuki 140 so I can go a little shallow.
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Well Tango, I don't really think the floatation style bracket is going to do anything for you in respect to "going shallow". I am not sure how much draft you are used to having but you can expect that you will run a few more inches even with a floatation style bracket. There is a guy in the Goulds area, down towards Homestead, Dolphin Boats. You have probably heard of them. I have seen the boats he builds. He uses a very short bracket, not a floatation bracket though. It has a setback of about 12 inches. He also sets his boats up with jackplates with the brackets. Nice setup if you are looking to go shallow, as you say. You may want to speak to him about doing that type of setup if that is your concern.
John |
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When I say shallow I don't mean 3-7 inches, I am just hoping to get around 10-12. Looking through some older threads I have read to expect 16inches without flotation and 10 to 12 with.
If I am wrong on this someone tell me. |
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You are wrong on that. Sorry but the bracket won't do that for you. If you want that, you need a flats boat.....The bracket will only offset some of the difference from the weight of the motor hanging out back.
John |
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Easy John, I am only going by what I am reading
http://www.classicseacraft.com/cgi-b...c;f=1;t=000355 I still thing after the heavy inboard is out and having a lightweight motor a positive flotation bracket will help my draft. Still just my thoughts and I could be wrong, though I don't think so [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] |
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Well, it depends on what model you have but, from the ones I have seen down here in Miami, outboards only, they loose about 2 inches. mine draws 14 right now with the bracket. The original spec calls for 12. If you are removing an inboard, remember you are then adding the weight of the motor, bracket, etc, to the tail end of the boat where the inboard was more centered. Just my thoughts, nothing more.
I would love to see some pictures.... John |
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John,
I don't think you would want to see picture of the beast right now as it is in pretty rough shape (cosmetics) Hull is sound along with transom, just needs to be filled in. Here is a link though I have it on a trailer now with mildew gone. I will be uploading some more pics in the future as soon as I fill transom. http://members.fishingworks.com/tangofniro/photos.cfm Thanks John for your input all is welcome. |
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Oh, that doesn't look tooooo bad. I have seen much worse than that....Let me know if you need anything. I always seem to know where to get stuff....
I am emailing you some pictures of mine... John |
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Hey Guys,
I'm some what of a new member, and I only check this site every few weeks, but let me fill you in with what I'm doing. My 74 20cc had a leaking fuel tank and a rotten transom. I've removed the tank and the transom replacement is nearly complete. I've opted for a full transom and I've ordered a B-Bracket which should be ready the end of this week. The hull was yellow with blue bottom paint that was poorly applied way too many years ago. I've removed the bottom paint and I'm in the process of painting the bottom of the hull white and the hull sides fighting lady yellow. I still have some glass work and cosmetics to complete before I'm ready to bolt on the bracket. I have pics, but I'm not sure what address to send them, please point me in the right direction. Also, I haven't decided on a new motor. I'm think seriously about the Suzuki 140 4-stroke, any thoughts? Thanks for any and all input, and I'll promise to be a more regular member of the board. Lloyd |
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Captain Lloyd - you can e-mail pics to Trayder admin@classicseacraft.com and he gets them up in batches or you can e-mail them to me john@theboatzone.com and I tend to get them posted quick but I forget 1 in 5 requests [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img]
Good luck - looking forward to seeing the progress. How are you painting the hull? |
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Hi Lloyd,
I would love to see some pictures of your boat. Would you email me some? Johns9163@aol.com... B-Bracket makes a good product. Nice stuff and the guys over there are always willing to work with you. Which bracket did you opt to get? What is the HP rating on the bracket itself? I am not really fond of the Suzuki myself but, I heard rumor that those 140 4 strokes have Bombardier parts in them now. Not sure if that is all correct but, if they do, I guess they are starting to get their act together now. If you want some of your pics posted on here, email them to admin@classicseacraft.com and ask Trayder if he will post them for ya. Otherwise, if they are on another web page, just post the link or, use the UBB to get them up on here. John |
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John - I think what you heard was that Bomb was rebadging the Susuzki 4 strokes as Johnsons to compensate for their corporate emmissions ratings.
All those (or at least the bigger ones ) pretty white 4 stroke Johnsons are Suzukis. The few people I know that have the 4 strokes love them. And a lot of the commercial guys here on the bay have switched to them too. They enjoy a pretty good rep here in the NE ... |
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Thanks for the info John. You know how the rumor mill goes, everything gets twisted around and it means just the opposite when it gets to ya.....
Suzuki does not have a great rep down here in Miami from what I have heard, again, all personal opinion and preference I guess... John |
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I've run a Suzuki DF140 on my 18 footer for almost a year (100+ hours, Florida and Virgin Islands), and the son of a gun has yet to hiccup ONCE. Runs like a scalded dog, sips fuel (just under 5 statute miles per gallon over a 70 mile day of mostly hard running last weekend), and quiet as a church mouse. No buying/messing with oil, no smoke, no stink.
Can't tell yet if it'll last for ten years, or if a dealer will be available when I need him (although my local Johnson guy says he's got everything I'd ever need), and don't know what resale will be if I ever decide to sell. It was WAY cheaper than the Yami 115 four stroke, and WAY, WAY cheaper than the Honda 130. So, yeah, I guess I'm a fan. "Everything I've ever wanted and more." I'm not saying it's the best motor in the world - maybe I just got lucky -but when I compare technical design, weight, performance, price, and my experience, I'd be hard pressed to go any other way. Good luck...ask people who own and run the motors you're thinking about, do some research on the net, and shop! Brian |
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Thanks for all the input. I've heard the same thing about Johnson 4-strokes actually being Suzukis, and I believe Suzuki is making them for others as well. I feel pretty good about the quality and price of the Suzuki, but my concern is will 140 hp 4-stroke have enough low end power for my 20 cc. I'm not concerned about top end speed, but whether it will muscle through a raging inlet?
bamj, how's your hole shot? Yamaha HPPI's are heavy and expensive, I'm not sure if I get a warm and fuzzy feeling about Evinrude Ram/Ficht, and I don't do Mercs. Fuel efficency is important, even though I'm increasing my fuel tank from 50 to 60 gals, but I don't think I want to go with a carbed 2-stroke. John R, I'm rolling and tipping Awlgrip I'll send my pics to Trayder and to you others that asked. Lloyd |
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Hey CaptLloyd,
I'm happy with the hole shot, using a s/s 14x20 wheel. When I ran an 18x20 the hole shot was outrageous/awesome, but WOT pulled too many revs (and top end suffered). Suggest you make sure trying several props is part of the deal you make when purchasing (no matter what brand/model engine you settle on). I think your choice depends on how you expect to usually use the boat...several people, a lot of gear and gas, or solo with a couple rods and half a tank? I had fun swapping out props, and was surprised at how significantly each changed the performance characteristics of the motor. I ran in and out of Palm Beach inlet several times when wind, waves and current were kicking up, and I felt I had plenty of juice to bob and weave as needed. Good luck! Brian |
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Pics up for Captain Lloyd's 20 "SeaDog"
http://www.theboatzone.com/albums/seadog/seadog1.jpg See the "Show Boats II" Thread... |
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Thanks John for getting the pics up!
Lloyd |
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Thanks John for getting the pics up!
Lloyd |
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No problem
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No problem [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
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