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I would like to hear your experiences with Awlgrip, Interspray 800 and so on. As with all of us I'm looking for that mirror finish....so I realize that most likely means spraying...any advice/experience (good or bad) applying these products (Roll and tip or spray) or leave it to the Pros and empty out the bank account?? I was actually working with someone who would allow me to do the filling /fairing and priming work and then they would spray (due to safety concers esp. with Alwgrip and to get the wet mirror finish the first time)

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HA SCOTT
I WISH I HAD MORE ADVICE WITH EXPERIENCE BUT I AM GOING THROUGH THE SAME DILEMMA AS YOU FOR NOW. I AM REDOING A 23 SEACRAFT FINISHING UP THE FAIRING PROCESS NOW. I GOT 2 QUOTES FOR $6,000 AND ONE FOR $5,000 TO SHOOT THE WHOLE BOAT IN AND OUT. WITH AWLGRIP. THAT’S WHEN I SAID SINCE I HAVE DONE ALL THE REST WHY NOT. TALKED TO THE AWLGRIP GUYS AT THE MIAMI BOAT SHOW AND SENT AWAY AND JUST GOT A TAPE ON HOW TO ROLE AND TIP AWLGRIP HAVEN’T LOOKED AT IT YET BUT FROM ALL THE INFO I HAVE ALREADY GOT YOU CAN ROLE AND TIP WITH VERY GOOD RESULTS. I PERSONALLY WOULD NOT SPRAY THE STUFF I KNOW OF A PERSON WHO SPRAYED HIS BOAT IN HIS GARAGE AND DIED FROM THE PAINT. I ALSO HAVE BEEN TOLD BY TWO SOURCES THAT THE PAINT CO. CALLED STERLING MAKES THE BEST PAINT FOR ROLE AND BRUSH METHOD. I HAVE BOUGHT SOME OF IT AND HAVE BEEN DOING SMALL PIECES LIKE HATCHES AND SUCH LIKE. SO FAR IT HAS BEEN COMING OUT PRETTY GOOD WITH THE EXCEPTION OF DUST GETTING ON THE PAINT AND CAUSING IMPERFECTIONS DUE TO DUST CONTAMINATION. I WILL BE ABLE TO TALK WITH EXPERIENCE IN ABOUT 2 MONTHS FROM NOW BUT FOR NOW SAVING $4,000 AND DOING IT MYSELF SEEMS PRETTY GOOD TO ME. THAT WILL BUY A LOT OF T-TOP, LEANING POST, AND ELECTRONICS.
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Thank you Fellow-ship

Boy am I going to pick you brain [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

I have a few quotes alittle higher than that (3 -3,500) just for the hull and thats flat(unlike the inside)!!!!I have also heard of some guys painting the hull for around 2,000 (that more like it). I hear you about the dangers involved although I have not heard of anyone dying from it. I love the boat but not that much. I've seen and watched a 35 ft boat rolled and tipped (what a huge job!!!) it came out pretty good but was not smooth as glass. My other problem is that the boat is in the open and not under cover. Painting would need to be done on select days and in a time frame that it would dry enough so that as evening set and it got damp the paint would not suffer from the moisture in the air (on the east coast as I'm sure your aware to get dry air its out of the west and usually windy, otherwise its off the ocean and wet [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Could you send me the address or the info on how to get that tape. I have talked with alwgrip also, nice guys, but only got the booklet on "how to"/painting. If you have any pics of the work you've done I would love to see it (Im sure others would also)

Thanks again

Scott

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I struggled with this too.As far as the outside, I would go with a 2 - part, and you could probably roll and tip those large flat surfaces with good results - I can't say from personal experience.The other option might be to do all the prep work and have a discount autobody place shoot it with a 2 - part.I've seen the Devoe paint and it looks good - Devthane, I believe it is.On my cockpit, I sprayed it with the Petit 1 part.If you look at all the contours in the cockpit/deck, it looks to me like rolling and tipping would be a disaster - or at the least very time consuming.I can say that I was pretty pleased with the petit, I put on 3 finish coats, and it set up pretty hard and was a piece of cake to spray.I heard horror stories about spraying 2 parts too, it's no B.S. - you need negative pressure respirator and its not something you want to do in the yard.

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I WILL GET THE PHONE # AND POST IT FOR YOU TOMARROW.
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Billybob

The contours on the inside of the boat are going to be tough but atleast it provides a start/finish point(no wet edge)Our boats share the same layout. Sanding after painting must be rather time consuming also. I think when we talked before this board was up you mentioned that the paint was Easypoxy?? what kind of set up do you have for spraying?? how big is the compressor and what kind of spray gun?? I assume you did all the non skid and how hard was that??

I may need to see what kind of deal I can get if I do all the preliminary work and just let them Awlgrip it. The weather thing concerns me and only working on it on the weekends really limits the amount of good weather I'll have

Like I said before you did a really nice job from the looks of the pics on the site and thanks for the info Keep it coming!!!

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I had real good luck with Imron on my old mako and cost me around 500 bucks. (Mid 1980's) Sprayed it outside , fumes are very toxic so respirator was mandatory. Heres a link to some pix, any questions Ill try and answer, Craig
(well my link is gone so if you still want to see them I can scan them and post them)

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SCOTT
THE NAME OF THE TAPE IS CALLED BRUSHING AWLGRIP. THE PEOPLE THAT MAKE IT IS BENNETT MARINE VIDEO, INC. THEIR TOLL FREE # 1-800-733-8862 IT COSTS $20.00 YOU WILL GET IT IN 3-5 DAYS.
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Thank you Fellow-Ship!! I think I'll add that to the video library. Hopefully there is some good info on the tape.

Scott

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Fellow-Ship
Hows the painting coming??

I received that video on Awlgrip and watched it, (the Wife thought I bought a porno, after she saw that it was about painting I think she wished it was one [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] !!!She couldnt believe that I needed a video on how to paint)....Anyhow .... boy do they make that look easy! I think a little too easy....I also talked with Awlgrip about what I wanted to do.....this was all provoked by a $ 9,000 estimate I received to paint the inside of the boat!!! Thats alittle rich for me!!! Then went to a big marina and they have an 80'-90' yacht that they are fixing up that will occupy the spraying shed until August!!! So I think I'll give the roll&tip thing a whirl..

Are you using Awlgrip or did you say you were trying out Sterling Paints??? Hows it working for you??

Scott

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HA SCOTT
I HAVE BEEN USING STERLING PAINT SO FAR. I STILL HAVE TIME TO CHANGE IF I NEED TO. I PAINTED THE INSIDE OF THE HATCHES LIKE I TOLD YOU WITH THE BRIGHTSIDE AND I HAVE PUT ON PRIMER TO THE DECK SIDE OF THE HATCHES AND PRIMERED THE CENTER CONSOLE AS WELL I USED A FOAM 4 “ ROLER WITH NO BRUSHING AT ALL I FOUND THAT WHEN I BRUSHED THE PRIMER IT CAUSED MORE STREAKS THAT I WANTED TO SAND OFF. AFTER IT DRIED I SANDED IT OUT WITH 150 GRIT BLOCK AND HAND SANDING AND THIS WEEK I WILL PUT ON THE FIRST COAT OF TOP COAT. THEN A COAT ON NON SKIT ON THE HATCH DOORS AND THEN A 3RD COAT OVER IT.
I AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THE VIDEO I LOOKED AT IT THIS MORNING THE SECOND TIME AND DECIDED THEY LEFT OUT SOME STUFF THEY SHOULD HAVE ADDED. I THINK THEY TALKED ABOUT SANDING OK BUT THEY DIDN’T TALK ABOUT FAIRING OTHER THAT THE FEW SCRAPES THAT WERE ON THE HULL. FAIRING AND SANDING CAN BE A BIG JOB. THEY ALSO DIDN’T TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT FAIRING COMPOUNDS THAT AWLGRIP MAKE AND USE. THEY DIDN’T TALK ABOUT THE ROLLERS ENOUGH IN THE BOOK THEY TALK ABOUT THE FOAM TYPE ROLLERS AND IN THE VIDEO IT WAS A SHORT NAP TYPE ROLLERS. THE THING THAT THEY LEFT OUT ALL TOGETHER WAS KEEPING DUST AND DIRT AND BUGS OFF YOUR FRESH PAINT. THAT GUY WAS PAINTING OUTSIDE WITH NO WIND PROTECTION. YOU NEED TO BUY SOME PLASTIC SHEETS AND PROTECT AT LEASE THE LAST COAT OF PAINT OR YOU WILL HAVE BIG PROBLEMS.
THIS WEEKEND I WAS SANDING THE DECK AND DOING SOME MORE FAIRING WORK. I HOPE THE SANDING AND APPLYING FAIRING COMPOUND WILL BE COMPLETED. SO ALL I WILL HAVE TO DO IS JUST PRIMER AND SANDING A ND PAINTING AND SANDING AND PAINTING.
I DO BELIEVE IT WILL COME OUT GOOD WITH THE ROLLER TIP METHOD AND I KNOW I WILL SAVE $4-5 GRAND DOING IT MYSELF.
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I hear this all of the time but haven't sen a good description of it - what exactly is "fairing"? T.I.A...

Thanks,

John

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Hi John
Fairing, well my interpretation, is basically filling in all irregularities in the glass .... such that when painted you cannot tell that this area had holes, damage, irregular or wavy surface.
Involves cleaning the damage out , filling in with epoxy/resin/glass, then sanding till the surface is smooth and continuous. Basically looks like nothing was ever wrong with the area AFTER its painted.

Hope this helps

Scott

[ March 11, 2002, 05:15 PM: Message edited by: Scott ]

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Fellow-Ship
I was wondering the same ....why would Awlgrip not promote there own Fairing Compound and using that glazing putty?? Good info on the rollers and the primer I will keep that in mind. Did you have to sand alot only using the roller??(did the brush streak it too much)
Like I said before that video made it seem like painting your house....The guys at US Paints however warned me that it will take time and patience and the more its rushed or forced will only end up with a crummy paint job. They said, and as I'm doing, to concentrate on the prep work and getting rid of all the flaws....otherwise as I'm sure you know the paint just magnifies them.

They also warned me NOT to use Microlight filler by WEST SYSTEMS. Apparently the solvents in the paint soften up this material( said if it was used you should put a coat of epoxy over it to seal it). Basically said the best stuff to use with the WEST SYSTEM (and I'm sure the other systems too) are the high density fillers, Cabosil etc...
Thanks for the info on that battery pad....I think mine is in good shape....at least it seem pretty solid. I'm throwing the batteries under the console so I'm not to worried about that area.

Thanks Again [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]
Scott

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HA SCOTT
I ROLLED WITH A FOAM ROLLER AND I DIDN’T GET ANY BUBBLES THE PRIMER DRIES VERY FAST AND BECAUSE OF THAT YOU WILL GET STREAKS WITH A BRUSH. THAT’S WHY I DIDN’T BRUSH OVER THE FOAM ROLLER. THE STUFF SANDS OFF REEL EASY YOU GOT TO WATCH NOT PUTTING ON TOO MUCH PRESSURE OR YOU WILL TAKE IT ALL OFF. AS FOR THE MICROLITE FILLER I USED A LOT OF THAT ON MY FAIRING PROJECT AND HAVE DONE SOME PRIMER WORK AND SOME PAINTING WITH STERLING I HAVE HAD NO BAD RESULTS YET WITH THE POSSIBLE INCOMPATIBLE PROBLEM. I THINK THAT THE PRIMER WOULD BE MORE THAN ENOUGH BARRIER BETWEEN THE FAIRING COMPOUND AND THE PAINT. IF I START SEEING ANY BAD RESULTS I WILL LET YOU KNOW. I HAVE KNOWN THE RECOMMENDATION OF USING ANOTHER LAYER OF EPOXY BUT TO DO THAT MEANS ANOTHER SANDING TO GET IT SMOTHE AND THAT STUFF IS NOT EASY TO GET FAIRED IT DOESN’T GO ON OR SAND OFF WELL. I WILL BE PAINTING FIRST COAT OF STERLING TOMORROW MORNING. I AM PAINTING IN MY GARAGE AND I WILL PUT A PLASTIC SHEET OVER THE TOP JUST TO KEEP THE POSSIBILITY OF DUST OFF.
HA SCOTT ON THE BATTERY PADS YOU BETTER CHECK THEM OUT REALLY WELL (IF IT WERE ME) I WOULD DRILL SOME HOLES IN THEM TO SEE IT THEY ARE DRY OR NOT. YOU CAN ALWAYS PLUG UP THE HOLES IF THEY ARE GOOD BUT IF THEY ARE SOGGY SALT WATER LOGGED THAT COULD CAUSE BLISTERING IN THE INSIDE OF THE BOAT LIKE TRADER GOT WITH HIS STRINGERS ON MY BOAT THE PREVIOUS OWNER DRILLED HOLES IN THEM TO MOUNT THE BATTERY’S AND WATER GOT IN THROUGH THOSE HOLES AND I HAD LAMINATED GLASS AND BLACK CRAP COMPOSITE NOW IS THE TIME TO CHECK IT OUT NOT LATER.
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Fellow-Ship
Thanks for the follow up on the painting ....Hey good luck tomorrow ...hope all goes well!! will be waiting to see/hear how it comes out.

The other thing with the battery/stringer area...where did you drill to see if it was wet??? I would guess on the side of the stringer..If it is wet and needs to be replaced I think I would have some problems getting to that area.... as you know that platform/stringer extends all the way back to the transom...You had that area all open when you did the transom rebuild... right?? I dont know how , if I need to, I will get to that area (without doing what you had to do with the transom and all ).

Again Thanks for all the info!!!

Scott

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HA SCOTT
WELL I DID TWO HRS OF PAINTING TODAY ROLLER AND TIP. I USED A VERY SHORT NAP ROLLER AND A GOOD BRUSH. I HAD SOME SHORT NAP ROLLERS I BOUGHT SO I THOUGHT I WOULD USE ONE ON THE FIRST COAT TO SEE WHAT I THING. I FOUND OUT WHAT ONE PAINT GUY TOLD ME WAS RIGHT WHICH IS THAT THE ROLLERS IS ONLY A DELIVERY VEHICLE TO GET THE PAINT ONTO THE PROJECT AND THE BRUSH IS WHAT DOES THE REAL PAINTING. I ALSO FOUND THAT I STILL HAD A LINT PROBLEM EVEN THOUGH I CLEANED THE SURFACES WELL BEFORE I STARTED. I THINK FOR THE FINISH COAT I WILL USE A FOAM ROLLER (NO LINT ON IT) AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. I WILL PROBABLY STILL USE THESE SHORT NAP ROLLER COVERS FOR THE NO SKID WORK. I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO CHECKING OUT WHAT I DID WHEN I GET HOME TODAY. PAINTING THE STUFF IS NOT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN PAINTING ANY OTHER PAINT WHEN YOU GET INTO IT. THEY DO SAY THAT THIS PAINT DOESN’T HADE IMPERFECTIONS BUT SHOWS THEM IS A ACCURATE STATEMENT. IF THE PRIMER HIDES THE PROBLEM YOU ARE OK IF THE PRIMER DOESN’T HADE THE PROBLEM THE PAINT WILL NOT ETHER.
I DID DRILL HOLES ON THE SIDES OF THE STRINGERS AS CLOSE TO THE HULL AS POSSIBLE. AS FOR THE BATTERY PLATFORM YOU ARE RIGHT TO GET IS ALL REMOVED YOU DO NEED ACCESS. I STARTED BY TESTING UNDER WHERE THE BATTERY’S SAT WHEN I FOUND A BIG PROBLEM I STARTED REMOVING IT. I DID GET ALL THE WAY BACK THERE BUT WHEN I REMOVED THE TWO HATCHES AND LIVE WELL IT OPENED THAT AREA AND I CLEANED IT UP AT THAT TIME.
TALK TO YOU LATER
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Fellow-Ship
What area of the boat did you start with??? and what color?

Thanks for the info on the stringer I guess I'll start pokin' holes in the thing....hoppe I come up dry but somehow I dont think I will.

Scott

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HA SCOTT
I DID THOSE PIECES I TOOK OFF THE BOAT. CENTER CONSOL TWO LARGE HATCH COVERS TWO SMALL HATCH COVERS THE ELECTRICAL BOX AND THE HATCH THAT GIVES YOU ACCESS UNDER THE FRONT CASTING PLATFORM TO THE HULL. I PAINTED WITH A SNOW WHITE I WILL PAINT THE INSIDE OF THE BOAT WITH WHITE THE SIDES IN A FOAM VERY LIGHT GREEN BLUE AND THE BOTTOM IN WHITE.
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Fellow-Ship
Cannot wait to see the end results!!!!

Thats going to look SWEET [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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HA SCOTT
SPENT SOME TIME CHECKING OUT MY PAINT JOB FROM YESTERDAY. THIS IS MY CONCLUSION.
FIRST OFF IF YOU USE TOO COURSE OF SAND PAPER IT WILL SHOW THROUGH ON THE FIRST COAT. I DON’T THING IT WILL SHOW AFTER THE SECOND BUT I WILL SAND WITH ETHER 220 OR 320 BETWEEN COATS OF TOP COAT FOR NOW ON. SECOND DUST IS A REAL PROBLEM FOR NOW ON JUST FOAM ROLLER COVERS. THE FIRST 1 OR 2 PIECES I DID HAD DUST SPECKS ALL OVER IT. THE LAST 2 PIECES HAD VERY LITTLE DUST ON THEM. I CAN ONLY ATTRIBUTE THAT TO THE SHORT NAP ROLLER COVERS THEY MUST BE DROPPING SPECKS EVEN THOUGH I TOOK PRECAUTIONS TO PREVENT IT.
THIRD WHEN I BRUSHED (WITH A GOOD BRUSH) THERE WERE SOME STREAKS FROM THE BRUSH BUT AFTER THE DRYING TIME NO STREAKS AT ALL. YOU CANT TELL THAT IT WAS NOT SPRAYED (EXCEPT FOR THE DUST ON THE FIRST TWO) PIECES. ONE MORE THING I DON’T KNOW ABOUT AWLGRIP BUT STERLING DID NOT RUN. THE CENTER CONSOL HAD NO RUNS ON THE ENTIRE THING, I FELT IF I WAS GOING TO HAVE PROBLEMS WITH RUNNING THAT WOULD BE THE PIECE THAT IT WOULD SHOW UP. NOTHING NO STREAKS AND NO RUNS THANK GOT FOR THAT. ALL IN ALL PAINTING THE WHOLE BOAT WITH A TWO PART PAINT IS SOMETHING YOU CAN DO IF YOU DON’T SKIP ANY STEPS AND TAKE YOUR TIME AND KEEP YOU JOB OUT OF THE WIND.
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Glad to hear things went well!!

What grit sand paper did you use and at what point in the process ?(fairing, after the primer etc.)..Can you reduce the paint to make it flow better during brushing....although you said it leveled out after it sat and cured .. so I guess you dont want to mess with that...

Sounds like foam rollers all the way!!!!! Very Glad to hear you got the mirror finish!!!I've seen boats that leave something to be desired after the roll and tip process....you see the true meaning of the "orange peel surface"

Again glad its working out [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]
Scott

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HA SCOTT
I FIRST USED 60 GRIT TO DO THE RUFF WORK THEN MOVED TO 150 GRIT ON THE PRIMER HAND AND BLOCK SANDING. I THINK IF I SAND THE FIRST TOP COAT WITH 220 OR 320 IT WILL LOOK JUST FINE BUT UNTIL I TRY IT JUST A GUESS FOR NOW. WITH STERLING YOU DON’T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT REDUCING IT AFTER YOU START IT STAYS AT THE SAME CONSISTENCY FOR A LONG TIME. THEY SAY WITH AWLGRIP THAT IS A ISSUE. WHEN I DO THE HULL I WILL BE READY TO AT LEAST CLEAN THE BRUSH WITH THINNER AS I GO IF NEEDED.
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Fellow-Ship
Thanks for the reply.....I contacted Sterling Paints today and they sound like the paint I want to go with...sounds more forgiving than Awlgrip and easier to attain the high gloss finish. and It sounds like you are confirming that. Paint is suppose to be as tough as the others and the primer can be put on and left in the sun and it will suffer no UV damage (a plus in my case) Just needs a light sanding right prior to topcoating.

Also there customer/technical support is great...very willing to give any and all info to make the job come out right....The only downside is I think the paint is more expensive then Awlgrip.....but hey if it works and the finish comes out looking professionally done ... so be it!!!!! [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

Oh yeah they are sending application guides color charts and actual color chip samples of the hull color and the topside colors I'm thinking about [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

[ March 14, 2002, 04:35 PM: Message edited by: Scott ]

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HA SCOTT
STERLING’S TEC SUPPORT IS VERY HELPFUL. I HARDLY COULD GET HIM OFF THE PHONE WHEN I TALKED TO HIM. I DON’T WANT TO PUT DOWN AWLGRIP BUT I FEEL REAL GOOD ABOUT WORKING WITH STERLING. IT GIVES ME CONFIDENCE ABOUT PAINTING THE ROLE AND TIP METHOD, SO EVEN IF IT ISN’T ANY BETTER BUT I THING IT IS BETTER USING THEIR BRAND THEN IT WORKS. I KNOW IF THE BOAT WAS BEING SPRAYED I WOULD WANT IT SPRAYED WITH AWLGRIP.
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Fellow-Ship
How's the paint job coming??
Have you been able to recoat and how are you doing the nonskid (you going to mix it in the topcoat and roll or you going to paint then shake and sift the non skid onto the tacky surface??? Hope its gong well for you [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

I bet its starting to look good
Scott

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HA SCOTT
LOOK UNDER THE HEADING OF FRUSTRATED WITH FAIRING AND YOU WILL NOW WHAT I DID THIS WEEKEND. BUT I DID GO OUT AND BUY $621.00 OF STERLING PAINT FRIDAY AND HAVE LOOKED AT THE STASH OF CANS ON OCCASION. I GUESS I AM COMMITTED TO THE PAINT JOB NOW AND ONE WAY OR ANOTHER I WILL BE HAPPY EITHER HAPPY WITH THE MONEY I SAVED OR HAPPY WITH THE MONEY I SAVED AND THE JOB I DID MYSELF TIME WILL TELL. I BOUGHT THE FINE NON SKID FROM STERLING. I WILL PUT ONE LAYER OF PAINT ON FIRST THEN TAPE THE NOW SKID AREA THEN PUT THE NON SKID (NOT SURE HOW YET) AND THEN ANOTHER COAT OF PAINT OVER THE ENTIRE JOB. I BOUGHT ENOUGH PAINT TO DO THE INSIDE AND OUT (I THINK) GOING WITH SNOW WHITE IN THE INSIDE AND ON THE BOTTOM OF HULL AND WITH BLUE MIST ON THE SIDES OF THE HULL.
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HA SCOTT
I WILL KEEP THE BOAT ON THE TRAILER FOR MOST OF THE PAINTING PROJECT. I WILL HAVE TO DO SOMETHING (NOT SURE WHAT YET) WHEN I DO UNDER THE BUNKS OF THE TRAILER. MOST OF THE BOTTOM WILL HAVE ENOUGH ACCESS FOR ME TO WORK ON AND I HAVE TALKED TO A GUY THAT JUST MOVED THE BUNKS IN CLOSER TO THE CENTER LINE THEN DID THE AREA. WE WILL SEE WHEN I GET THERE. ONE THING YOU WANT TO DO IS WAIT 2 WEEKS BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING OR YOU COULD DAMAGE THE PAINT MOVING THE BOAT ON THE TRAILER.
OH BY THE WAY MOST OF MY DECK HAS BEEN SANDED THIS LAST WEEKEND WAS THE CHANNELS AND ALL 90 DEGREE TURNS PLUS INSIDE HATCHES AND SUCH LIKE. THIS WAS NOT MY FAVORITE THING TO DO. I AM GLAD I HAVE 5 DAYS BEFORE I GO BACK TO WORKING ON THE BOAT. I HAD ALL THE FUN I WANTED THIS LAST WEEKEND.
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Fellow-Ship
Sorry to hear about your sanding woes !!! You scared me there for a moment I thought you had problems with sanding the first coat of paint [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img]
I'm sure its going to look awesome when all is said and done. The color combo you picked out sounds real nice ... I've been thinking about Gel coat but Trayders troubles has me thinking to stay the paint route.. that being said I cant wait to get the color charts and color chips that Sterling is sending off to me...If I were to paint the hull this year.....which my original gel coat isnt in that bad a shape and its colored to boot (same color as Hammers and Tryaders 20's ) I dont know what color I'd go with....I've been thinking a real pale yellow/green or blue bottom....Topsides will be white....

Are you keeping the boat on the trailer....since your painting the bottom??

Scott

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Hi Fellow-Ship
I'm sorry..I was unclear in my previous post...my mistake [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] ....what I meant about keeping it on the trailer was ..Will the boat stay in the water when it is finished or are you going to trailer it....this all leading to...is the paint good for underwater use??
Any more progress this week??

Received some great color chips from Sterling!!! some really nice custom blended colors !! cant wait to start ... unless Tryader converts me into a Gel Coat guy!!!

Take it easy
Scott

[ March 19, 2002, 06:21 PM: Message edited by: Scott ]

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HA SCOTT
REMEMBER THAT YOU CANT USE GEL COAT OVER EPOXY THEY SAY IT WOULD WORK.
EVERYONE (PAINT MANUFACTURERS) HAS TOLD ME THAT YOU CANT KEEP A PAINTED (TOP COAT) BOAT IN THE WATER FOR MORE THAT ABOUT 10 DAYS TO 2 WEEKS. I KEEP MY BOAT ON THE TRAILER EXCEPT FOR 1 WEEK AT A TIME DOWN IN THE KEYS. I LIKE TO FISH OUT OF DIFFERENT PORTS DEPENDING ON WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE IS SOUTH FLORIDA. THAT’S ANOTHER REASON WHY I DIDN’T WANT A BOAT OVER 23’ LONG AND ONE ENGINE IT BECOMES TO MUCH LIKE WORK TO TRAILER A BOAT TO BIG.
THIS WEEK I CUT THE HOLE TO FIT THE HYDRAULIC CONTROL OUT OF THE CENTER CONSOL, I MADE A HATCH COVER WITH STAR BRIGHT FOR THAT LITTLE PERSONAL ITEMS HATCH IN THE CENTER CONSOLE CLOSE TO THE WHEEL. I BOUGHT A NEW HYDRAULIC PISTON UNIT KIT THAT WILL ATTACH TO THE NEW 225 I AM GETTING. TODAY I AM GOING TO BENNETT TRIM TAPS TO PICK UP THAT PLASTIC COVER THAT SCREWS ONTO THE TOP OF THE TRIM TAP SENDING UNIT. THIS WEEKEND MORE FAIRING AND SANDING THE INSIDE. I HOPE THIS IS THE LAST WEEKEND OF THAT. MAYBE SUNDAY I WILL BE PRIMING THE INSIDE OF THE BOAT (I HOPE). THIS NEXT WEEK I GO TO PUT $$$ ON THE NEW 225 AND PICK UP THE HARNESS AND GAGES WITH A BUNCH OF OTHER STUFF. FUN, FUN, FUN, SO MUCH FUN AND STILL NOW 10 MONTHS OF FUN BOATING AND NOT BEING IN THE WATER YET. I HAVE RESERVATIONS TO GO DOWN TO THE KEYS THE FIRST WEEK IN JUNE I HOPE I WILL BE DONE BY THEN.
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HA GUYS WE JUST HIS A NEW RECORD 3 PAGE THREAD.
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Woohooo - three pages [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img]

How do you re-Gel Coat??

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HA JOHN R
YOU WILL HAVE TO TALK TO TRAYDER OR SOMEONE ELSE ON RE GEL COATING. I DON’T KNOW TO MUCH ABOUT THAT. I AM SURE THAT WOULD BE A GREAT WAY TO GO ON THE BOTTOM BUT I WILL BE PAINTING MINE. I GUESS IT IS THE SAME PROCESS AS THOSE LITTLE SPOT GEL COAT KITS YOU CAN BUY BUT ON A MUCH BIGGER SCALE. SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF SANDING TO ME AND IF YOU HAVE READ MY POSTS YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I LOVE SANDING.
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That 's what I thought about the paint on the bottom....I'll be keeping mine in the water so I guess I'll strip off the old bottom paint and epoxy seal it then re coat it.

Sounds like your moving right along....did you relocate the steering wheel to the center of the helm or did you leave it as it was originally?

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HA SCOTT
I RELOCATED IT TO THE CENTER ON THE CONSOL JUST RIGHT OF THAT LITTLE UTILITY BOX HATCH WHERE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN. ON MY BOAT BEFORE THE PROJECT BEGAN THE WHEEL AS LOCATED ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE CONSOL AND THE BINNACLE WAS LOCATED IN THE MIDDLE I KNEW THAT WOULD NEVER DO FOR ME LIKE DRIVING ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD.
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I FIGURED I WOULD GIVE YOU GUYS A UPDATE ON THE WORK. I FINALLY FINISHED THE FAIRING OF THE INSIDE OF THE BOAT. NEXT WEEKEND I WILL PRIME THE INSIDE AND SAND IT SMOOTH. THE OUTSIDE OF THE HULL HAS ABOUT ONE DAY OF FAIRING AND SANDING AND THE BOTTOM HAS A FEW DAYS OF WORK ON IT BEFORE I PRIME IT. ALL IN ALL FAIRING HELL IS COMING TO A END. I THINK THE INSIDE IS THE WORST BECAUSE OF ALL THE HAND SANDING TO GET INTO ALL THOSE TIGHT CORNERS. I FINALLY FINISHED THAT ROLE OF FILM SO I WILL BE SENDING SOME PICTURES ALONE SOON.
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Hi Fellow-Ship
Sounds like your picking up a head of steam!!! Thats great.....Are you just sanding/fairing in prep for your primer coats ... or are your truly fairing new epoxy work and what kinda work are you doing to the bottom??

In response to your post from last week about the helm....I was thinking of putting the wheel all the way over to port ( in place of the junk collector box [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] ) like you said I'm not use to running the boat esp. the throttle from that side ... but I dont know if I want to do all of that additional fiberglass work ... not like I dont have enough to do now!!......plus that little box is pretty handy to put stuff in..

Cant wait to see progress Pictures....and on a side note ..If you have a few of the transom rebuild could you email them to me???

Thanks
Scott

[ March 25, 2002, 09:50 PM: Message edited by: Scott ]

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HA SCOTT
ALL THE FAIRING THAT I HAVE BEEN DOING LATELY HAS BEEN FOR THE PRIMER COAT. NOW THAT’S ALL DONE THE PRIMER WILL GO ON THIS WEEKEND. ON THE HULL AND THE BOTTOM. I JUST WANT IT TO COME OUT LOOKING AS GOOD AS POSSIBLE AND FAIRING IS THE THING TO COVER UP ALL THOSE LITTLE DINGS. THE BOTTOM WILL NEED TO BE SANDED SOME WITH 150 GRIT PAPER TO GET IT SMOTHER. THE BOAT HAD BOTTOM PAINT ON IT THAT I HAD SODA BLASTED OFF. IT LEFT SOME PITTING THAT WILL NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. THIS MORNING BEFORE WORK I STARTED SANDING THOSE HATCHES AND CENTER CONSOL TO RUFF THEM UP FOR THE NEXT COAT OF PAINT. THAT SHOULD THE LAST COAT FOR SOME OF MY WORK. WE WILL SEE.
AS FOR YOUR CENTER CONSOL I LIKE THAT LITTLE JUNK BOX I WANT TO KEEP IT IN TACK. I JUST MAID A NEW TOP FOR IT AND IT LOOKS PRETTY GOOD, THE WHEEL IS IN THE MIDDLE AND THE BINNACLE TO THE RIGHT ONE THING FOR SURE I WILL STAY PRETTY DRY IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT CONSOL.
FELLOW-SHIP [img]images/icons/cool.gif[/img]

Re: Painting
 

Hi Fellow-Ship
Glad to hear that you are primarily doing prep work for priming.....and not trying to GRIND down epoxy. What tools are you having the best luck with doing all the fairing work??

How fresh was the paint on the bottom when you had it blasted....mine is coming off rather easily by scraping....then I'll hit it with the random orbit to clean it up all the way....was also thinking of using that PEEL AWAY product...I've tried the Interlux Interstrip 299 on the boot stripe and it works well ... Ihave heard that the Peel Away works the best.....

Your Pitting ... I'm assuming it was osmotic blistering?? Thats why I dont know if I want to blast the bottom if the paint is coming off easy for me...there are no signs of blisters but on a 25 year old hull I'm sure its going to pock up somewhat.

Hey how did the hatches look after the first coat of paint??

And yes I haven’t figured out how to handle the helm….I like the Idea of being on the center line of the boat and hiding behind that nice console….but I think my “first mate” or as she believes, the Captain would have something to say about me hogging the area behind the console….esp up here in the NE….one good wave and your not only wet but frozen….but then again I’m sure she will make it out a couple of times and that be it for the season.. [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]