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I'm not sure what or who we have to thank/blame, but there seems to have been a rather rapid increase in price tags on older SeaCraft boats over the past five years. When I bought my 18' in late '98, you could easily find 20'CC's with decent power and trailer for $2500-3000. Although there are still the odd instances of people getting a pretty decent deal (anyone heard of Finster?) Now you have opportunists listing Tracker era beater 20's with no power and in need of a lot of work for $6500 on boattrader.

If you want a Potter era 23', stand in line and be ready to pounce at a moments notice.

Has the interest level reached such a point that sellers assume that those desiring these boats will pay whatever they ask?

Earlier this year there was someone basically using this site as a brokerage for friends who were selling SeaCraft boats: preying on the fans basically.

When a boat comes on the market now it has become a race to see who can dial the fastest and drive themselves to south Florida to pick up a hull in need of significant cash infusions.

I guess if you are selling, times couldn't be better. If you are in the market to buy, you'd better have a tow vehicle gassed up and ready to roll.

I was in Stuart, Florida, last week and in driving around saw quite a number of boat rehab facilities with 1970's SeaCrafts in various stages of completion. Most yards I stopped in at had two or more having refits done.

Anyone care to weigh in on why all the nostalgia now?

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Just my opinion but I think that first off is the new seacrafts do not seem to be worth the money for what they come with. for example the last time I looked at a new 20 at Bass pro the boat was just too expensive to come with a pedestal seat and the limited amount of electronics. Not to say that other boats come fully equipped with all the bells and whistles or that other brands are superior, but 35000 for a 20cc with a 130 is just too much when you factor in A ttop, electronics, and whatever extras you may want. Also when you run your hand under the gunnel you can feel the ends of screws exposed. I think something like that makes you wonder about things you cant see. As far as the older models, there really is something about the way they look that is really appealing to the eye, and everyone that you ask says they are one of the best riding small hulls out there. Even people that dont know that much about boats seem to know that. Also some of you guys in here are as much to blame (joking) when someone comes in here for the first time and sees a 15 to 30 year old boat that looks as good or better than what they see on the dealership floor. Now im really starting to ramble but its almost like restoring an old car but with the difference being that you can take it out and really use it on your off time. I grew up on a 20 seacraft and I love them there aren't many others I would to have in that range

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Down in Florida I think you have more options than us up north. A few things I wanted when I was looking and what steered me to the Seacraft was the rumored ride in the snot and how solid a boat it was. It was also one of the few boats that can be found in the older year classes and found for relatively decent coin. To go back a bit and get a good snot boat meant an old Whaler (pricey & very wet pounder), older Mako (semi-pricey pounder), 23-24 Formula/T-Bird/Performer Hull (fairly rare up here - non pounder), Fish Nautique (rare, don't want an inboard), Shamrock (real pricey inboards) or an old seacraft. The Formula & Seacraft hulls are the better riding of these choices, higher performanced, and both are GEORGEOUS looking hulls. Either is a drop dead steal your breath hull. One of the things that also sold the Seacraft was the notion that up here they ask high 60s for a new 23SC. You can probably even get the speckled paint [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img] . But the other thing that sold me on the 23SC is that is what a lot of the local R&R bass comm fishermen and some of the Tuna boys use around here. An old Cuttyhunk bass man I know said that it was hands down the best in its class in Buzzards Bay and off the Hunk. THAT carries a lot of weight with me too...

So yo have one of the few hulls that can compete with todays high flyin' Regulators and Contenders, not too mention new SeaMakos rolling out in the 60K bracket looking much the same THIRTY years later and its no suprise that the market is being pushed by those that know and respect the older Seacrafts and those that see the relative "value" of owning one of these old warhorses.

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Whay all the nostalgia now? Simple, new SC's have been on the market now for 6 years or so. The SeaCraft wave has been building over that time and has reached new heights not seen since the early 80's before Tracker purchased the molds. People unfamiliar with SC's now know about them and the legendary ride, and old timers that always knew what they had now realize what they can potentially get for that "Potter-era" 20 or 23.

There are (2) 20 CC's for sale in my area, both early 70's with mid- to late-80's power, trailer, typical electronics, etc. One is in tough shape and even the seller admits to some TLC needed (engine work), the other is in nice shape and could be used right away. Both are selling for $8-9K. To me that is outrageous for a 30 year old 20 footer that has most likely not had any structural work done.

For my father, I'm glad he got in when the market was down (late 1997), but for me it stinks. I've started looking for a 20 CC but the asking prices around here are unreasonable for the package you're getting, and I'm not in a position to refurb a hull in bad shape. However, the hunt will continue, and in the meantime I still have Dad's 23 to enjoy.

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Its supply, demand and Otto Cuyler [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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Yee HAAAAA !!!!!

Paid $6800. in '95 for Mine ! motor went out 3-4 months later !! Wish I knew bout the "Cheap" ones ! [img]images/icons/frown.gif[/img] Oh well I would'nt change a thing "Love My SeaCraft" !! [img]images/icons/cool.gif[/img]

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It is nice to have a boat that most other boats are compared to it instead of it being compared to others. Kind of like owning a 1957 Chevy or a 1962 Corvette, or a old Harley, If you think they cost a lot now just wait another 10 years and then see how much a 1976 Potter 23 CC SeaCraft will be going fore. There isn’t 2 trips in a row that someone doesn’t stop me and say is that a old Seacraft, or if I am talking to someone about fishing or boating and the question comes up on the boat I have, when I say a old SeaCraft that I re did it seems that my credibility goes up about 5 notches. I don’t know if I really deserve the 5 notches bet I get the credit anyway.
FellowShip [img]images/icons/cool.gif[/img]

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[ November 03, 2003, 04:35 PM: Message edited by: capt chuck steele ]

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Just the fact that a large number of SeaCrafts have been reconditioned/renovated, the value of these boats will naturally go up. In fact a good renovation by someone that is really good, like many on this site, may be the very best bargain. I agree completely with John R. Folks narrow in on these boats and to find an excellent condition 23 with a recent re-power is worth every bit of $20,000 or more.

As comparables are now commonly available, surveyors and appraisers have no choice but to include those comparables in their valuation.

Possibly the least attractive deal is the low priced "fixer-upper" as it represents a huge investment of at least $15,000 to properly renovate. Many have spent more. Much more. As a result, only a hearty (and wealthy) few will take on a full renovation if they know what they are doing. I think you'll see good deals on SeaCraft fixer-uppers for the forseeable future. You have to be ready to travel, inspect for yourself and pull the trigger.

I have no doubt that this site, which was intended to promote classic SeaCrafts has done exactly that. And very well indeed.

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TIME IS MONEY & MY TIME IS PRICELESS! !! I WOULD RATHER BE DIVIN & FISHIN & CRUISIN BY THE SANDBAR THAN WORKIN ON ON A OLD TRANSOM! ! ! BEEN THERE & DONE THAT! !
I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING TO BE SAID FOR A TURNKEY PURCHASE. I BOUGHT MINE IN GOOD CONDITION & DID SMALL PROJECTS THAT DIDNT STOP ME FROM BOATING FOR LONG SPELLS. I DONT WANT MORE THAN ONE BOAT AT A TIME . LIFE IS TUFF ENOUGH. I WAS TOLD WHEN I GOT MY FIRST BOAT THAT" SOMETHING IS BREAKING ON IT RIGHT NOW" & IT SURE HAS TURNED OUT TO BE THE TRUTH.ALWAYS SOMETHING TO TINKER WITH.
WITH THE COST OF NEW BOATS FOREVER ON THE RISE I SUSPECT MY 1974 POTTER BUILT 23 CC WILL BE WORTH MORE WITH EVERY PASSING YEAR ! ! ! ! MAYBE IM WRONG ! ! I CANT THINK OF A BETTER BOAT "TO GET STUCK WITH " I DO LIKE THE WAY THE REAL MARINERS LOOK AT THE BOAT WHEN IM CRUISIN THE OLE GAL! IS IT TRUE THAT THE NEW ONES JUST AINT THE SAME! ! ! & PEOPLE PAY IN THE 60'S FOR THEM ! SHEEESSSH ! ! ! ! ! ! !

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i read this site allot but very rarelly log on but this question really is a good one.part of the reason is the lines.
the seacrafts have very pleasing lines. the ride is good , but not any better then
any other boat with the same amount of dead rise. i have ridden in many many hulls, and seacraft despite what
some would say, is no better then allot of other boats. why one of any thing catch's peoples eye will all ways be
a mystery. but this site has helped the seacraft gain in popularity. same goes for the mako. how many other
boats can you find info on for older models as well as sites on classic models? not many. examples of better
riding boats are palmetto, centender, regulator and albamarlo. all out standing rides. i see parker going that way.
but getting back to this site. i have seen to many here that think the boat they bought for $3000 or even less and now having put hours and hours of work on try to push the envelop. so again who is trying to fool who? every one tries to
get as much for their boat as they can but some here have gone farther then what is reasonable. so who is to
blame? i personal love the looks of a seacraft. but i will never pay what some are asking for those older boats.
as to them being better then the new ones. i don't think so. look how many older seacrafts need new transoms. i
see more older makos then any other boat and very very few need transoms replaced. the new seacrafts are built
every bit as good as the older ones if not better do to technology improvements. so this thing about them not
being built as well isn't true. just take the factory tour if you don't believe me. you will come away impressed.
i'm looking for a 23 ft cc. for when i retire and move to the coast. my 20 ft mako has been a good boat, but no
one i want to run off shore in. i would love to have a seacraft. but will not pay the price when i can by any
number of very good boats for a whole lot less. i also can do most of the work any of them would need. but i'll
buy a boat at a more reasonable price and have less work and just as good a boat. as for your question. i think it
was a very reasonable one to put to this site and am interested in see what other think.

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I'm First !
I'll put this OLD SeaCraft up against ANY 20' on the Market Today, $ or saftey or ride or Longevity
Anything !You've got to find one(any Make) this age first,and compare .,Even before I rebuilt it ! I did it(restore) because of a steering arm on the Motor the refurb just started & well the rest is called eXperiance ! Knowing what I have will definatly bring more $ if I choose to sell Her ! She does not have "THE Ride" of a 23' SeaCraft ,But in Our waters down Here I can Go Anywhere including the "BAHAMAS" .VERY few can keep up also.Why are the "Hulls" so closely copied & turn so many Heads ? I do not know of many SeaCrafts Especially older ones that stay on the Market long & usually bring more$ than other boats.I find them posted at a few marinas & boat shops.I call to get More info to post Here & they are usually GONE !
Oh Mine, Not for sale for any $$.(Yet or maybe a 23') Scream'n Reels' [img]images/icons/mad.gif[/img]
http://www.frenzie.com/SeacraftFin._002.jpg [img]images/icons/cool.gif[/img]

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The thing with the Sea Crafts is simply their Classic line. true there are good boats out there but that classy line is priceless. like comparing a 60's Chevy (Vette) with a 60's Buick (le Sabres)Buicks are good but the line on the vette is way nicer and timeless thats the word timeless?. 40 year old vetttes all bit up still hold value not that there better it's nostalgia gentleman. teak rails,history , tradition,reputation, quality, classiness equals $ mula.

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flyfisher

You opened a can of worms your gonna regret [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img]

Parker [img]images/icons/confused.gif[/img] Mako [img]images/icons/confused.gif[/img] Palmento [img]images/icons/confused.gif[/img] Same Dead rise [img]images/icons/confused.gif[/img] Your still high n Dry on the reef brother! Show me another one with a patented VD.........

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HMMMMMMM I WONDER WHY MY 1974 23FT SEACRAFT WILL SELL NEAR OR ABOVE $20,000 BUT A SAME YEAR SAME SIZE MAKO WON,T GET $5,000- $7,000 JUST ONE OF THE MYSTERIES OF THE UNIVERSE I REKON ! ! ! !

YOURS TRULY
HAPPY OWNER

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Flyfisher-

As an owner of a 1999 25 Contender, not for long though [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] . I 100% disagree with your post. Except for the part of the sweet lines [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] .

I have never been in any, comparably sized, boat that rides better or even equal to the 20' SeaCraft. I do not have many hours on 23's but considering 20+ boat manufacturers have copied the variable deadrise hull design I think something was done right.

If you look at the underside of a SeaCraft is quickly becomes clear why they have a superior and more efficient ride. Think about it the Reg has a 24 degree deadrise at the transom, Contender 24.5 and the SeaCraft only 20.5. Thats not much considering it has such a soft ride. Keeping in mind the dearise is only 20.5 you not only have a soft ride from the variable deadrise, but you will not have as much roll at drift, you can plane at slower speeds, and cruise with more efficency. You have to look at the numbers sometimes.

As for Mako's having a better record with transom repairs how do you figure this???. Any boat built in the 70's early 80's with Marine ply for a transom core and an owner silly with a drill for the depth transducer is probably going to need replacement.

New ones built better than the old? if you say so but I do not agree.

And if you ever come on this site thinking a Parker has a better ride I may have to revoke your membership [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] just kidding of course

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I must have missed the part about Parker's riding well [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img] I have had opportunity to ride in most of the boats listed above and most do pretty well actually. Parker boats? probably the only boat in recent memory to make my back hurt for a week after a seemingly calm weekend of boating. THOSE THINGS POUND!

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Easy on the Mako's gentleman. [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] Some of us own one....and while the ride in a stiff chop doesn't match a Seacraft, the Mako offers a drier ride and more stability while at drift.

Now, just to be honest, if I had some extra $$$ lying around...I would be on the next flight to Florida and would haul a nice 23 Secraft home and restore her. In my opinion, they just look better than any other 23 center console. Plus, we all know how well they hold their value. [img]images/icons/frown.gif[/img]

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http://www.casdvm.com/photos/seacraf...s/DSCN2507.JPG

1975 23CC

Boy do I feel lucky [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

Strick

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STRICK,
I like that LIL Mercury ! Hows it Push Her ?Just prooves that SeaCrafts Variable Deadrise Hulls are sleek,Smooth ,and efficent.
Scream'n Reels'
Capt'Brad
PS I think WE are ALL "LUCKY"
I'm still up for the Challange ! Flyfish
or send a Cousin ,Cause evrybody's got a cousin in Miami ! [img]images/icons/cool.gif[/img]

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My 2 cents: The Mako's that provide a comparable ride are the 20', deep V'd models ( approx 1977-1980 ). They have the same deadrise as the Mako 25'. And, they were built very well during these years.

The SeaCraft has a pedigree that exists due to years and years of people being amazed at the ride and quality she gives.

The Potter built hulls were known to be designed and built exceptionally well ( except for the damn scupper thing ). Unfortunately, the transoms did not fair so well - I feel it is partially because of a few poorly placed stock fittings - but mostly because of negligence over time by owners for not properly sealing fittings and holes right.

And that's the key right there - TIME. They last. Other boats 'out there', that are good oldies are boats like Formula's and Bertram's. And, they are part of that pedigree idea. They are also part of a scarce, few boats that you will see re-done ( in this size ) because they are worthy of it...

They have withstood the test of time as being extremely seaworthy, well-designed and well-built boats - These are the qualities that people buying boats want - especially avid boaters.

When I was choosing to upgrade my boat from a 20' Grady Overnighter ( in mint condition ), I made my choice by talking to fiberglass guys, boot yard mechanics, peopel who owned different 'salty boats'. And, for one reason or another - SeaCraft was one of the names that popped up on everyones list. So, I 'found' a hull for $3500 and am in the process of a complete re-do. Partially because I cannot afford to have someone do it for me, because I don't feel anyone will do it w/ as much eye to detail, and in the end, I know I will have a boat that will be worth every penny - for many more years to come... Can I get an amen ?

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AMEN!

Brad the merc is a 15 hp bigfoot pushes it about 8mph full out and quiet as a mouse. I love that little motor more then the big one!

I'm new to the Seacraft family. In fact I'll admit that I did not know what a Seacraft was 18 months ago. We have a paucity of Seacrafts in CA. I've Been on lots of different boats including working as a commercial fisherman in Alaska for 10 years. I was a bit skeptical about the ride on these boats until I took mine on it's first trip out the Golden Gate for salmon. If I died tomorrow I'll never forget how the boat just glided over the 3 foot chop as if it was riding on air! My buddy who with me that day said that it was the best riding boat he had ever been on. One of our friends just bought a new 23 Scout and paid 50K for it. My 30 year old boat rides better and is faster with basicly the same engine!

The Seacraft is a high quality boat that was 25 years ahead of it's time in design and innovation. That is why so many have copied it and it will continue to be the template for many manufactures to come.

Flyfisher I disagree with everything you said except for the part about how expensive they are. Some are getting out of hand in their asking price http://thehulltruth.com/6/ubb.x?a=tp...144#9676000144 and need to be brought back to reality. One thing for sure is the older Seacrafts will always bring top dollar and the price will steadly climb just like real estate here in CA. If I were you Flyfisher I'd go to the bank get the cash and jump on the first boat that you like....... even if you think it is a little overpriced you will be happy.

Strick

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Sweet boat Strick !!! And my nickel. When not fishing on my boat I fish on this '78 23'3 formula which was the same year Albemarle bought them out. Although it is a great riding boat and has a large following, the ride still does not compare to my seacraft. As far as the Parker goes, gimme a break (fillings that is). I owned a 23 Mako for 15 years though not the deep "v", and probably the reason for my back surgeries.(plural).(No offence intended Ed, I also went from Mako to Seacraft)BTW- the formulas stringers were totally rotted out as well as some decking and other things such as rewiring, etc,etc etc. Anyways she is a sweet boat now,here is a pic. craig

http://images.snapfish.com/338%3B636...3B%3A%3Aot1lsi

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ONCE UPON A TIME THERE WAS AN OLD BOAT CALLED A "SEABIRD"... IT WAS THE BOAT TO OWN BACK IN THE EARLY 70,S.... THAT WAS THE BUZZ ANYWAY IM SUPRISED NO ONE HAS MENTIONED THEM AS BEING A GREAT OLD "RIDE". IN MY FAMILY WE HAVE OWNED BOTH A1972-3 23' SEABIRD & STILL I HAVE A 1974 23'. MY OLDER BROTHER REMARKS THAT THE OLE SEABIRD WAS A DRIER RIDE & JUST AS SMOOTH AS THE SEACRAFT.I WAS TO YOUNG TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE!!
I STILL SEE A SEABIRD AROUND EVERY NOW & THEN BUT THEY SEEM TO HAVE A HIGH MORTALITY RATE , PROBABLY DUE TO THE BALSA CORE HULL. EVERY ONE I FIND IN THE CHEAP BOAT YARD SALES HAVE MORE DAMAGE THAN I CARE TO DEAL WITH!
DOES ANYONE HAVE AN OLD 23 SECPTER WITH THE FACTORY HARD TOP & MAYBE EVEN THE FLYBRIDGE? ?
IF SO I MIGHT BE WILLING TO WORK A DEAL ON MY CENTER CONSOLE THANKS YALL
SCOUT P.S. BY THE WAY IS MY BROTHER FULL OF OLD SHOES WHEN HE RECALLS THE SEABIRD RIDE ? ? WWW.DIVESALONE@AOL.COM

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Seabirds were the predesser to the Phoenix boats. Nice heavy hulls, I only rode on one 25/26' with a small flybridge and it was top heavy and really rolled bad. I have seen them around without the bridges but dont know anyone else who has owned one. Im not so sure about the "dry" either,but who knows.I have always thought that Phoenix have pretty lines and are nice boats, that raise fish, and thats what really counts!!!.

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Ive never ridden on a seabird but i have heard good things about them. One of the guys on thehulltruth has a project 23, and ship shape tv just redid a 23 seabird that looked really good

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flyfisher, don't merely read and not comment, that makes any board rather dull. A bit of discussion, regardless of how much hair it raises on peoples necks is a good thing.

Regarding my comments on Parkers, I have actually never ridden in a Parker shorter than 21' and have spent a good deal of time in their hulls that are much longer......they all pound!

As to the others mentioned, like I said, most do pretty well [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

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Why do y'all feel the newer SeaCrafts are not as "good" as the older ones?

I am assumeing that SeaCraft has only started building the 25'er recently because I don't ever see any of you mention them. Is that true?

I have the 25'er and love it. I get 2.5MPG@25kt on smooth water. And stay above 2MPG on rough water. If I want to get home in hurry I can run 29knot and still get 1.8MPG in rough water. That's pretty darn good for a decent size boat. My only complaint is the boat is too lite. If it were heavier I think I could run faster in heavier head seas, I'm sure my fuel consumption would then take the beating though. It's not that bad only going 19knots in 3 to 5 foot seas.

[ November 12, 2003, 05:14 PM: Message edited by: Captn C ]

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Capn C- My brother in law has a 2003 ,23 and it is a nice boat, fast and a little light. The way they advertise them isnt quite right to me though. They are very nice boats although a little "pricey" for me. I did get a chance to look over a 32 and it is really sweet although I didnt want to know the price tag.

craig

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gentleman i never intended it to turn into a argument. i was just voicing my opinion. if you don't like the ride
of some of the boats i mentioned so be it. but the ones i was comparing in some lines have dead rises compared
to seacraft. in parker you can't compare a 15 degree dead rise to a 21 degree like their dv has. most that have
rode in a parker have rode in the 15 not the 21. as for the mako. they have produced dead rises from 15 to 23
degrees. i think anybody that has spent long hours on a boat in the ocean will agree the more dead rise the softer
the ride. yes their is roll to contend with. in higher dead rises. but every boat is a compromise. no matter the
brand. i think if you go back and read what i said in stead of just reading my comments you didn't like you
would see my point. i also think that others here are trying to say the same. seabird is a very good riding boat. i
just didn't bring up every boat that i have spent time on in the last 50 years. i fished from a seacraft 23 and
found it just a comfortable in a 23 abie. as for the new one. well guys that's in my bailiwick. i am a engineering
designer and have design many many things from submarines to satellites. even a few boat hulls and the new
seacrafts from an engineering prospective with new technology that is being used, are built very very well, and
i would never turn up my nose at one to get an older seacraft. in most cases it still gets down to what you
personally like and i believe i did say i wouldn't mind having a 23 seacraft. their is a 23 inboard for sale and a 23 septer
for sale in project boat net. both for a while as well as a number of others that were listed on boattrader and are
still for sale. i've checked on a few to see if they were sitill available along with afew other brand i am interested in. and
i don't see any body banging down any doors to buy them at those prices. and i still believe marks question is a very
good one. but i think i will go back to just reading and not comenting on this board. sense some don't seam to like
opnions other then praise.

[img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

[ November 12, 2003, 12:54 PM: Message edited by: flyfisher ]

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I've see it a number of times here that they are "pricey". I don't know if they are marked up in your areas or they are marked down here?!?

I just looked at a new 25' SeaCraft with twin 150 Mercury's (not Opti Max's),alu. Trailor, a T-Top, out riggers, the bench seat option and it was $73,000. That's pretty cheap around here. The 23' SeaCraft's with single enines, alu. trailor, T-Top and outrigger's is a little over $50,000 which is about the norm for 21' to 23' by other manufactures.

What do you mean by "the way they advertise"?

[ November 13, 2003, 09:11 AM: Message edited by: Captn C ]

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73K and thats cheap !!!!! Holy smokes Capn, thats a mortgage around here!!!(exagerating a little but not that much) Heres the way I look at it. My boat is nowhere the immaculate boat that most on here have redone. However I bought my 78 inboard for 6K repowered it etc and before this spring had a total of 13K in the boat. I have fished it fairly hard (approx.1700 "weekender hours since 95). Everywhere from Norfolk canyon (65nm east) to oregon inlet (90nm south). What does that have to do with the cost of tea in China?? Not much. But if I was to spend that much money on a boat I would have something much bigger than 23' and diesel powered. As I said my brother in law recently bought a 23 w/225 opti and it is a nice boat. I think he paid around 50K for it. Would I take his over mine??? Doubt it, mine rides better ,and its paid for. The 23 does not have the room my 23 does and the 25 is equal(room wise) to my boat.Thats what I was refering to advertising wise. Not quite sure how they measure them but those are just my observations. I know comparing inboards to outboards are apples to oranges but hey, you asked. Catch em up!!!(BTW-Nice website) Craig

[ November 13, 2003, 07:37 PM: Message edited by: Miles Offshore ]

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I mortgaged my house to buy mine! You can spend a lot more on other manufatures boats, that's all I mean.

I looked at an Edgewater before I bought my boat and it was built like a plastic milk jug. It was also only 24' and cost more with smaller engines.

I have noticed the older 23'er's are huge boats. I am guessing that my boat (25 footer) is the old 23 with a built-in bracket. I have sent picture of my transom area to "strick" (I think that was his handle)because he plans to add a bracket to his 23'er so it will be 25' over all. I guess I'll have to E-mail SeaCraft to find out what year they started building the 25 foot boats. My boat also has the "European" (at least that's what they called it years ago) transom which no other Seacraft design has even thje 31'er. I never was much of a fan of that design, but it looks good on my boat. I guess it's like when you have a baby...no how ugly it is you think it's the most beautiful baby in the world.LOL

Thanks for the compliment on my web site.

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Hi again I just have to put my two cents in> [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]
I sold my 25 aquasport to purchase, and put a new motor on my 20 Sc Seafari. the ride is as good if not better in my opinion and I have as much fishing space as the 25 wac. Yes I wish I had a center console at times but for diving camping and being a Super dry boat it cant be beat. Not to mention I get twice the fuel economy, I've had a number of boats , Aquasports wellcrafts, north Americans, searays etc , and by far I love my Seafari the most,, I did see a 20 shamrock cc for 5k tho hmmmm.... J/K happy holidays

Ryan