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I was planning on glassing my new stringer sections in place, but it rained today for the first time in almost 6 months. So all I could do was take some pics of the dirty wet boat [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

After these pieces are glassed into place, they'll be filled with foam (strick method), and then the plan is to glass 3" wide strips of 3/4" marine ply to the tops. In some pics you can see the previous owner had used cypress 2x4's (cut down to 2x3) to raise the floor an 1.5". I'm thinking that I'll probably raise them 2.25" (3 strips of 3/4" marine ply glued together).


http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...0130.sized.jpg
http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...0137.sized.jpg

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...0140.sized.jpg
http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...0072.sized.jpg

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...0147.sized.jpg

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...0073.sized.jpg

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...8/P1010141.jpg

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Here's a little update:

Got'em glassed in . . . . kinda messy, but these epoxy/1708 forms are rock solid.

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...0011.sized.jpg http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...0022.sized.jpg

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Tim,
Looks like it is coming along nicely [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
Are you going to use/make a floatation bracket...ala Strick method?
Or I guess with the floor raised you won't have to worry about wet feet and you could go with a notched transom.

The reason I'm asking is I'm kinda going through this thought process right now. I was all set to raise my transom, enclose the entire stearn and add a new cap (intergrating some sort of live well vs. storage area).
And then go with a flotation bracket. Now I'm thinking raise the deck and only raise the transom to 25". I don't know, I end up with about the same thing in the end I guess. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] I'm not sure which is best/less work/more fishing time!!!

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I would have done the bracket . . . but there was lots of talk about the 20ft seacraft being stern heavy. I was affraid that the boat would squat badly in following seas. This is only a problem in tight chop, but in San Francisco bay is nothing but tight chop. Also I think the ammount of glass work involved with making a bracket is more. I wish I were closer to FL to see how RAHIM.N's 20 rides.

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Tim,
Are you going to slide your gas tank up towards the bow to help redistribute the weight?

I was thinking of doing that and actually sliding my console forward a few inches as well.

What do you think?

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Tim

one more step complete! Just 1000 more to go! The stringers came out looking great. Keep up the good job buddy.

Strick

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pogden . . . I actually don't know the exact location of the original fuel tank. This boat's previous owner had renovated it once before and there were 2 unoriginal rotten tanks buried under the floor. My plan is to distrubute the weight, so that the boat is still a bit stern heavy. I want the bow to be light, so I can fill a forward fish box

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http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...0052.sized.jpg


http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...0053.sized.jpg

Got the front section of the floor leveled. I used the sheet of 3/4" MDO crezon
cut into 3" strips. A 4x8 sheet is just enough material to cover the stringer tops with 2 strips (which raises the floor 1.5" + 1/4" of epoxy puddy/glass). I was very impressed . . . the MDO had a only few small voids in the entire sheet.

I still have to level the back 7ft of the boat, round the sharp edges, and add 2 layers of 1808 over the tops of the stringers.

The make shift floor is a bunch of mdf scraps.

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Whooh, that looks like a lot of work! But I can't wait to ge started [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img],yeah I am sick.

It looks like it is slowly coming together. You raised the original stringer framework all up to the same height using glass filled with foam and now you are raising it up with strips of MDO covered with glass.
[3/4" MDO + 3/4" MDO + 1/4" glass = 1 3/4" (stringers)
[3/4" sheet of MDO + (+)glass = (+)3/4" (for floor)
total height = (+)2 1/2"

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Whooh, that looks like a lot of work! But I can't wait to ge started [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img],yeah I am sick.

It looks like it is slowly coming together. You raised the original stringer framework all up to the same height using glass filled with foam and now you are raising it up with strips of MDO covered with glass.
[3/4" MDO + 3/4" MDO + 1/4" glass = 1 3/4" (stringers)
[3/4" sheet of MDO + (+)glass = (+)3/4" (for floor)
total height = (+)2 1/2"

Is that right??

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That looks like it's going to work perfect Tim. Good job. Check your mail.


Strick

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PO - that's right . . . except don't forgot to factor in the original floor thickness which I beleive is approx 3/4". So new floor and old floor should be a wash.

Strick I got the pics - Awesome!!!! I'll give you a call later this afternoon.

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A little more progress on the stringers. She still needs a bath and a good grinding to clean her up . . . but stringers are now level from front to back and side to side.

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...0122.sized.jpg
http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...0117.sized.jpg

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Tim It's hard to tell on the black tube. Did you run it thru the tablesaw so that it will be a upside down "U" ?

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not yet warthog . . . It's just being stored there. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] everything is a little shiney from the rain this morning.

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Tim,
What is the black plastic tube for??

How are you going to run your gas filler hose and cables/wiring with the floor sitting on level stringers??
Is there a groove in the top I can't see??

Otherwise looks great, you have done a very good job, do you ever come around Jersey [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Pat - The black tube is puddied in and covered with a few layers of glass. It will allow drainage from front to back and add additional support for the fuel tank.

The plan is to make the grid . . . which should resemble the pic from the mosley article.

http://www.classicseacraft.com/moselyarticle11.htm

To run the cables . . . I'm going to glass a pipe to the bottom of the fuel hatch cover. The wires will be snaked through that and come up inside the console. Towards the back . . . I'll cut hole through the stringers and glass in a section of PVC or ABS plastic, so the cables can come up through the bulkhead into the splashwell. You can see the notched fuel tank in some of the pics . . . That's where the pipe will fit.

Fuel Fill and overflow will be mounted on the console.

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I love jersey . . . but I haven't been back there since I broke up with the x-girlfriend.

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Looking good Tim. You are making fast progress [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

strick

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Here's a few pics after a good time with a makita grinder!!!
The MDF in the middle is my mold for the fuel tank support.

Still have some more puddy work and then it'll be time for two layers of glass over the stringer tops.

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...gers.sized.jpg

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...0124.sized.jpg

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Tim-

Great job buddy,

The worst part of seeing your project, strick's, and Warthog's is realizing there were so many easier and often better ways I could of done my project......Maybe in a few years I will have to do another.


really looks A1!!!

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Big, I think your gonn'a be itchy laying down in the bottom like that. HeHe

Looking good. So did you decide to go ahead with the MDO for the floor, or go Nidacore?

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Don't get down on yourself you inspired us all!!!!

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Warthog - I'm still undecided . . . I'll most likely end up with 1/2" marine ply - just cause it's available and fits within the budget.

Trayder - If you hadn't introduced me to these finer boats contender/seacraft boats . . . I'd still be pounding my brains out in an old 17ft sportcraft thinking that the ride was totally awesome. Thanks again for opening my eyes to these amazing boats and for creating the site. I've learned a ton from everyone especially you, strick and warthog. I'd be friggin lost without this site to exchange/borrow ideas.

If you do end up redoing another seacraft [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
perhaps you might consider a 23ft cc, flush deck, pilot house, and a diesel inboard with the greasel conversion (www.greasel.com) . . . so you can run the seacraft off vegtable oil.

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heck we could just put a tractor motor in it. John Deere. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

I've got a buddy who moonlights doing Desel work on boats around Orange Beach,Al.
he told me of 7 boats that he knows of that switched to John Deere this year.

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Looking good. I didn't know that you had even started the project yet. Shows how out of touch with the rest of the world . I'd highly recommend NIDA or even coosa for the floor, but both can get a tad bit expensive.

You can get the bare NIDA for about $50 a sheet. Figure 5 sheets will be the total for that hull. Then you are looking at at least one layer of 1808 on the underside and 1-2 layers on topside and lots of resin!

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WHATS THAT SMELL??.........HUUMMM, OH YEAH IT'S MAKO. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Bigshrimpin & others who have raised deck,

I have an '81 18 ft Sea Craft and want to raise the deck to make hull self bailing.

The posts I searched show the inner liner removed. Do you reuse the liner by trimming the top edge so it fits under the gunnel?

It would seem to me that it is easier to cut it at the foor and reglass it to the liner after the stringers are raised. I'm sure those that have done this know the best way. I would sure appreciate some advice before I make a lot of extra work

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On an 18' I would retain the liner because you already have a gunnel cap that overhangs it. In my 20' there was no overhang, thus no capacity to hang rods underneath. I think in your situation you could cut just the floor out, raise the stringers (very smart) and then put a new/higher floor in.

I considered doing this to my SC18' before I went the complete redo route with my 20'. Those 18's are nice boats [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Mark,

Thank you. Are you the same Mark that has the perfect "10" 20. I saw the pictures and think you gave me some advice before.

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After a long break . . . Here's an updated pic with the fuel cavity and the new bulkhead?? One more will go in tonight behind the fuel support.
http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...0027.sized.jpg

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bump-

where is she at now Biggie?

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I went for a ride with Tim in his other 20 Master Angler and I was very impressed. What a sweet riding boat. We fished a small ditch that I never would have been able to get my 23 into.

strick

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http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...0190.sized.jpg http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...0234.sized.jpg

The project has been at a stand still since April. I've had lots of excuses . . . including getting married, buying a working boat, moving into a new place, etc. the list is pretty long. Anyhoo . . . I've made some progress since these photos. I made a mold for a recessed tapered fishbox 50" x 20" x 12" and found a hatch (for $20) 20 x 48 that fits perfectly. I foamed the fish box in place . . . then Strick graciously let me store the boat at "strickland ranch" . . . when I got the other boat.

I've finally gotten around to working on the project again . . . and will post some pics soon.

The hard part about doing a restore here is the availability of materials. For Example . . . It cost less for me to order two 8cu ft. kits of pour foam from Florida and have them shipped out here . . . than to buy one kit from TAPS Plastics or any other local reseller. The only other place that sells materials at a reasonable price is a 2.5 hour drive.

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Looking good Tim. It could be worse. Live in Fl. and order stuff from S.Fl. and have to pay tax and shipping. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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So that is what solid stringers look like ey!! I gotta question for you, how do you attach the floor, glue & screw???

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The stringer's and thwart's are not solid. They are hollow and usually filled with 2 part foam after they are installed.

http://www.classicmako.com/projects/...stringers7.jpg

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http://www.hermco.net/picts/28oceanmaster/b4.jpg

This is a cross section of an oceanmaster from Hermco's site.

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someone told me that Ocean Master leaves their stringers hollow. Sure looks that way in the pic. I wonder how much longitudinal strength foam adds..... if any to the stringers? I would imagine it helps some but is primarily in there for flotation.

Strick

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Actually the foam will stiffen the whole assembly up and will act like a solid stringer. This is what DIAB cored panels are like and recently they came out on Shipshape TV explaining how a foam filled hollow fiberglass core could be stiffened by filling it with foam, the thicker, the stiffer. This will give the stringer a lot of strength, like using wood but keeping the weight and maintenance down. BTW, if you use CLOSED CELL foam it will not absorb water, more expensive but worth the money.

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Botapeje is exactually right. It really stiffen's it up for little weight.