23 Seafari flips, all safe
 

Glad all hands are safe- yall be careful out there!!!!

http://www.tidalfish.com/boards2/vie...8799&id=181918

edit-Sceptre not Seafari [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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Craig, do you know that guy?

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Hey Graham- not at all- not sure if Ive ever seen the boat either- i dont know the name- sounds to me like either a live well or thru hull fitting must have broken off and they didnt know. did you see them pull the boat into rudee ???? Not a bad idea the one guy has about putting an alarm on another float switch up higher in the bilge. scary sheet for sure for the guy getting the pfd's. i got your message about 3 days after the fact from my son last week?? and didnt have your number if you still want me to look at your console- anyways have a great 4th- i hope to fish most of next week (im off) for cobes, spades and sheepies. also some really big flatties being caught just north of the 4th at cbbt. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I didn't see em bring it in, but apparently it was quite a sight! Definitely not a good day on the water. I just can't understand why he tried to gun it, all that does is send water to the back of the boat and drop your motors. I would be different if he had a boston whaler w/ no drain plug or something like that, but a boat with a full bilge?

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seems like this is a second time a seacraft flips over. the first one was some where in florida and not sure if it is a sceptre. is the sceptre top heavy to make it more prone to a flip over than a CC?

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I wouldn't say top heavy unless it had a hard top and/or tower. It does, however, have more weight forward than a CC due to the cuddy and full windshield.

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found the previous seacraft capsized article at

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/987845/posts

couple of question that concerns me as i am going to restore a 76 sceptre.

1. both boats are from the 80's. do they have a cut down transom that facilitate water entry from the stern?

2. possibly the additional weight/height distribution of sceptre cabin makes it more prone to a capsize?

3. any other thoughts?

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This boat had 8 passengers and were anchored up in 5-7 foot seas and 20-knot winds, plus their VHF didn't work. I realize 6 people went diving leaving 2 people aboard when it flipped, but those seas along with all the diving gear and other stuff they brought along most likely caused the problem.

1) Yes, the '80s 23's have an open splashwell with a fold-down gate. I guess you could say it makes water entry easier than the Potter hulls with the full height splashwell, but I don't think it "facilitates" water entry.

2) IMO, the cabin does NOT make it more prone to capsizing.

3) Capsizing is typically due to a boat being placed in a bad situation, whether it is overloaded with passengers and gear, or if it's anchored in a rip or high traffic area where waves can overtake the boat. In the 8 seasons my father has had his '82 23' Sceptre we have never once been in a situation where capsizing was a threat. Just use your head while you're out there, check all your thru-hull fittings frequently (inlcuding the plug), and don't put yourself in a bad situation.

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I wonder if they let out enough scope on the anchor to compensate for the 5-7 foot seas. If they did not let out enough...I am sure the boat was pitching up and down severly...

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Anyway you look at it, 8 divers in a 23 foot boat in those seas is just asking for trouble. Yes, our boats are great in almost any sea while underway but that great hull that lets us ride in almost any weather with impunity is not the best for stable diving in big seas. The adult boat owners should have checked the weather first before letting their son take out the boat with Coast Guard warnings out. It's almost as irresponsible as letting your kid spend the night with Michael Jackson at Neverland!

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gents,

in the case of the florida capsize, they should not been out there anyway. what i am curious about is that it seems that a few seacraft has flipped over when it takes on water. i have done some search on the internet and check out these links. so far 3 cases counting the recent incident

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/20...calnews12.html

http://www.valdostadailytimes.com/co...ll+missing.htm

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hey Ed, I think its all operators judgement, maintenance etc and it goes with any boat. Lots of examples- I heard of a couple of those big new Big Luhrs sportfishers going down, as well as a 27 albie here a couple of years ago and a 36 hatteras i used to mate on as well. Point being, i think any boat can and will in the right conditions, sink, flip etc. thing is when they flip with an air pocket you at least have something maybe to cling to, that hatteras and ablie sunk like rocks blub,blub,blub!!!! I would rather be in and still feel safer in a seacraft than i think any other boat in its size. JMHO !!!! craig [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Couple things maybe to consider. Some freinds of mine lost a very good friend 25+ years ago in a SC 23' CC off Block Island. If I remember correctly, they were fishing tight to the island when a rouge wave came over the transom and flipped the boat. That is how the story was related to me several years ago. One or two of the three people, all accomplished anglers and boaters, died.

I'm going thru and doing work on my transom, adding some knees, drilling out crappy screws and bolts and thru hulls, putting in new wood or dowels and reglassing (barely on schedule for Newport). Today i removed the thru hull for the baitwell that comes up thru the bottom of the hull, 1/2 inch of open bilge, then the putty below the baitwell and then the baitwell itself. Several places for this thru-hull to bite into. Well, it did not take much effort with a looe fitting pipe wrench to get thing unglued at all. And the worst thing is that where it is in an unviewable area under that baitwell, it is difficult to examine that area closely, let alone under way.

So, everyone please tripple check your thru hulls, especially if they are more, uhh, mature like the ones in my 79....

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exactly John, heres another example- 100+k (if not 150) carolina classic sank off here yesterday- sunk like a rock- doesnt matter how much you pay, you need to know your boat boat and thru hull fittings/ whatever- maintenance etc.

http://www.tidalfish.com/boards2/vie...8799&id=183454

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I swear, this hasn't been a good few weeks around here....

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hey graham- did you hear the one about the mate who jumped overboard last week on the shoals to retrieve his chum pot that broke loose from his anchor line??? Thats just plain NUTS!!!!!

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That’s just a "dedicated" mate ... Good "dedicated" mates are hard to find [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Didn't hear that one! Very enthusiastic guy! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]