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Stringer problems!
I opened the floor up on my 72 GW and I have termites, bad! I can already see replacing all the stringers out to 8' from the transom! I am removing the inboard so i can pprobably beef up everything to handle what i plan on powering this boat with. Whats everyones opinion on what to use to rebuild stringers with? I want to get pics of everything before i go any further, so I'll get some stuff posted soon.
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A 34 yr old boat is a 34 yr old boat and stuff like that happens. I don’t think that what material you use will make a difference unless you plan on keeping her another 34 years letting her rot away around you and not taking care of her like the previous owner.
If I needed to do a stringer job I would use foam filled glass because of the weight. You can buy them pre made (saw a episode on ship shape tv about them) or you could make your own like the other thread on this repair page – “foam filled stringer grid”. I hope you check out all the other parts of the boat that was laminated with wood and replace them all. Remember “when is doubt rip it out” Is there a Grady sight that might be able to give you more that just general suggestions??? I would want to talk to someone that knows Grady’s if I could. FellowShip _______________________________________________ My motto: Just for the Grins :D |
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Dearl - Why did you chose to restore an old lapstrake Grady White? You're about to dump thousands of dollars and hundreds of man hours into something with very little resale value. Just trying to make you think hard about your decision before you totally commit. There are much better boats out there for little money in much better condition. Make sure you're not taking on too much of a project . . . personally . . . I'll never do another big fiberglass project boat again. A transom or a spot repair in the deck or floor - that's my limit. Beyond that it's just too expensive.
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I like the body style, mostly the siding, And i wouldn't be restoring this boat if i were going to sale it, but for my personal use i prefer this boat, it just makes me feel comfortable, and mostly because it was almost free. Don't know anyone who would pass up a free boat even if it is a Grady. Personally I like it, and will use it for many years to come
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Dearl - If you like it . . . that's all that matters. Most boat owners sell change boats every 4-5years. Don't fool yourself. That boat isn't free . . . coosa transom, floor, stringers, new gas tank (probably recore the deck - upside down work in the cabin) . . . materials will cost 4k easy (acetone, sandpaper/discs, brushes and rollers, dust masks (or filters for respirator) . . . that stuff adds up. When you look at the "free boat" and attach a 4thousand dollar price tag to it and 600hrs of hard (but fun) labor . . . if it still seem like a good deal then it's your boat.
When you attach a new suzuki to the back with rigging, steering, etc . . . the boat has now cost you 20K . . . what can you buy with 20K and put in ZERO hours of hard labor? There are some real nice 23's in the for sale section. |
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Wouldn't these questions be beter answered on a site just for Grady White's ???????
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I think he just asked for advice on how to repair something, not for editorials on his choice of boats. This site has the best information from guys that have done the work. Why not seek advice from people that have taken boats from junk to showroom quality? Damn.
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This "Free boat" cost me $1500+ in Materials. It was only 13ft long. My point is that I could have bought a new 14ft aluminum or carolina skiff for $2000 and saved myself hundreds of hours (and a lung). I never planned to sell this boat either, but I got married, moved cross country and bought a seacraft. Things change and it's always wise to do a cost benefit analysis before taking on a big project like the free boat you're ripping apart. I ignored people that tried to talk some sense into me . . . but I thought I knew better.
I only got $700 for the boat and 2 year old trailer . . . when I sold it. http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...aft2.sized.jpg http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...0095.sized.jpg http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...0099.sized.jpg http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...0097.sized.jpg |
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Ha Bigshrimpin
I am with you on this one. Boats are like a Woman you better be very, very sure She’s the one four you before you make the COMMITMENT. FellowShip __________________________________________________ ________ Just for the Grins :D |
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When it comes to women you can't exactly sell them, but it will definetly be at a loss. :eek:
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I didn't know that you had to own a certain type of boat to be able to ask questions about repairing one! And yes there are Grady sites that i could probably ask the same questions, but seems they don't do a whole lot of restorations on boats, most have enough money to ditch the old whole in the water and go buys a brand fartin new one, well I'm not one of these type people, i can't just up and dump 60,000.00 in a "DECENT" rig! I would much rather put my ass in something that i have had my hands in and know EVERYTHING about. If i have crossed some kind of invisible line by asking a question about a rig other than yours, i apologize, and it won't happen again.
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Just thought that he would get more Grady specific answers on a site for grady's, there is a differencce in construction, nothing else intended !
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I am in the process of redoing the transom and adding a bracket to one now for a customer. A 21' lapstrake Grady White. I will post pics soon. :D
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Thanks for the info bigshrimpin, I'll put it to good use.I also own a 18' Tracker, i use mainly freshwater fishing, thats why I'm not worried about how long it takes. Hermco that would be great if you could post some pics of the job when you start. Thanks again to all who took time to help.
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Is allmost done. Didn't have any termites. Just a rotted transom. :D
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Don
Whats that built in block on the stbd side of the Potter Bracket? Is that what Bill was telling me about an aux motor mount :D |
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Hermco, THAT LOOKS GREAT! Thats exactly what i want. Real good clean lines you got there. My old girl is know where near that good looking. If you look at it like this, I drove by this boat for 11 years, and it never moved. Man that owned it, super nice fellow, but way to busy. I am finishing up my second home, my wife and i remodeled an 103 year old farm house, and we are nearing completion, wanted something else to work on afterwards, well here she is!
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...93/boat001.jpg http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...3/43f3712e.jpg http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...93/boat005.jpg http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...93/boat009.jpg I know she is going to be alot of work, but anything worth having usually is. ;) |
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I put one on each side, they are a pocket for the Lenco trolling motors to fit when trimmed up. :D
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How did termites get in the boat, was it sitting on the ground?
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A lot of what these guys have said here is true....you eally shoulden't dump money into something your not sure you really want. Its a lot of time,energy and money to expend. Think hard.
Now with that said I see you mention you really like this thing....well good for you and thats all that matters. Everyone here and classicmako will provide volumes of information you can use to re-build your boat. I don't think it matters what boat you have or what boat your rebuilding.....as long as its boat porn its all good. :) You're right about the Grady sites.....seems like most Grady owners don't like getting thier hands dirty :D but thats not true with all of them. |
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If you had $1000 would you rather buy a fishfinder or acetone and rubber gloves? I'm busting your balls, but seriously think hard about this . . . you'll be in 15k with used power. I'm gonna enjoy watching this project and I promise not to say "I told you so". :D
4K in materials EZ . . . just to finish the boat on the cheap (not including rigging, new trailer, fuel tank, hoses, wiring, plumbing, electronics, batteries, bracket and power). |
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Look at it this way fellas... it's a good way for him to get some practical experience for when he gets a real boat worth restoring like a SeaCraft. So you wont screw it all up :D
dearl- who are we to tell you how to spend your hard earned money. I myself am looking forward to your progress reports. I actually kinda like the lines on that little boat. However some of the other senior members have not yet chimed in. I'm not exactly sure if they will let you post your progress here... in the past others have been booted for even talking about other brands of boats let alone showing us explicit interracial boat porn which is what you have just done. :D strick |
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dearl,
I actually thought you were not serious ,till I saw the pictures, you can get a lot of help here, sorry for any confusion, I know I did with my free boat, so far have about $5k invested just trying to keep it floating and running, would love to totally restore it someday |
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All I can say is THEMS ER BIG TERMITES to put that big hole in the transom and SH** out them their chunks on the ground.
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Aghhhh, you guys bring all those exotic bugs into this country. :D :o
Ya gotta love-it See ya, Ken |
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Yeah fellowship, those bugs did a number on this one. Guys don't get me wrong, I understand what you guys are saying about the amount it will take to redo this boat, but i didn't start this to save money, and honestly i know that it will be along time before this boat actually floats again, but when it does can you imagine the sense of pride of doing a job this great would make you feel like, and i didn't want a boat like everone else had. Actually, i wanted something NOBODY had, something that will stand out, something that you couldn't go out and buy. WHEN ITS DONE, YOU WANT EVEN RECOGNIZE IT i PROMISE! :D ;)
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Now that is what we wanted to hear :cool:
See ya, Ken A one of a-kind ;) |
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dearl-
if I were you I'd wait a couple more months and let those termites finish their job. They will strip it down to the bare fiberglass then you can start rebuilding it from there. You may want to bottle up a few of those critters and cross breed them. I think you may be on to something here. Termites on steroids. You can sell them to guys like us who like to refurbish old boats. ;) strick |
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Ha Dearl;
All kidding aside, I started with a Seacraft in terrible condition kind of like your boat is. It actually makes things easy. YOU CAN’T SAVE ANYTHING so it frees you to tare it out there is No Doubt it all needs to be replaced. When you get done you got a new boat plus you will know every inch of it. Good Luck and remember to buy large quantities of BEER you will find it will aesthesis you which will make it easier, always remember never do more than 1 six pack of work in any one day or you will get discouraged through your built out. http://www.classicseacraft.com/fello...edium/0005.jpg http://www.classicseacraft.com/fello...edium/0003.jpg http://www.classicseacraft.com/fello...edium/0021.jpg http://www.classicseacraft.com/fello...edium/0015.jpg http://www.classicseacraft.com/fello...edium/0024.jpg http://www.classicseacraft.com/fello...edium/0055.jpg FellowShip _______________________________________________ My motto: Just for the Grins |
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I'll probably stay pretty NUMB during the whole disecting stage. You wouldn't beleive it, but since i opened up the boat, the ants are making short work of all the termites. couldn't hardly find any yesterday. Oh well, you right about having a new boat, and i have a few thoughts that are going to twist this project all up.
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IS THIS ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE ANTS???????
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Finally got this heavy SOB off the trailer, and out of the weather. Started on the transom first, evicted all them bugs the hard way. Idid find some spots that had water under the glass, and boy was this stuff foul, I had a 3M particule mask on and could still smell this stuff. Still have 1 small area at this base of the right hand corner to grind out, then i can start cleaning the area were the stringers used to be.
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Dearl - Be very careful!! That boat is not supported at all without stringers, floor, deck cap or a transom. The shell cannot support itself and will fall out of shape. It might already be 3ft wider and 2ft shorter than it was yesterday. I'd put that deck cap back on ASAP if possible. Defintely before you put in stringers. The hull might have already bowed or developed a hook.
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As long as you have another boat (and it's paid for), who cares how long it takes.
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Bigshrimpin, Wart was telling me the same thing, What i think i will do for now is build some bunks for it to rest on so i can distribute the weight. It was sitting on a roller trailer, and beleive me, it wouldn't have matter if i had removed all the stringers at once, they were not doing anything anyway.Most were mush.
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If its a boat that you think you will be giving to your grandson one day, look at www.transomrepair.com for materials that will be there forever.
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