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Bigshrimpin 11-14-2006 10:11 PM

Bracket Project
 
http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...lbum127&page=1

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Bigshrimpin 11-14-2006 10:17 PM

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Chuck's been helping me make a bracket. I got into a little mess after doing some nice glass work . . . I guess I didn't properly catalyze the first layer of glass and the tub of the braket got all fk'd up when I broke open the mold. It's gonna be lots of fairing to make it pretty, but I've got two sides somewhat faired already. I'm hoping it'll be ready by turkeyday.

Miles Offshore 11-15-2006 10:08 AM

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nice job guys- keeps the pix coming- are you going to add floatation to it???? How much does/will it weigh???

1bayouboy 11-15-2006 12:45 PM

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Bigshrimpin....that looks great. Makes more tempted to try that myself....although I want a twin bracket. My questions would be...how did you determine the dimensions???
Especially the height to mount it on the full transom and the height at the rear of the bracket???

Bigshrimpin 11-15-2006 04:06 PM

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http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...5236_Small.jpg
http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...5238_Small.jpg

The dimensions were tough to figure out. Luckily strick had worked through it before.

This bracket will have a 26" setback. Supposedly you need to raise the motor one inch for every 12" of setback. So I made the bracket 23" tall which gives me a 4" gap at the bottom for the hull drain plugs. 25" + 2" (to account for the setback) => 27" = 23" (bracket height) + 4".

The width is 38" b/c that was the width of the fiberglass fabric I used.

13 degrees is what I measured for the angle of the transom.

When I calculated the positive floatation . . . I got somewhere around 400 lbs (depending on the final weight of the bracket.

1bayouboy 11-15-2006 05:48 PM

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Sorry big, I'm a little thick. The engine mount is higher
than the front top of the bracket....so is the top of where the engines mount now 27" above a line from the keel back??
Or is the bracket 23" high at the front??

I have a stainless marine aluminum twin bracket, but I really like the idea of a fiberglass bracket. This bracket is also flat across the bottom and I think a V bottom bracket that matched the transom deadrise would give more flotation and look better too.

I like your gallery of photos....

Bigshrimpin 11-15-2006 09:56 PM

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bayouboy - you got it. The top of the bracket (where the motor bolts on) will be 27" up if you drew a line from the keel back.

warthog5 11-16-2006 11:01 AM

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Big, do you want to give a laminate schedule?

1bayouboy 11-16-2006 11:41 AM

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Will you glass on the top/swim platform??? I couldn't tell if strick's was glassed on...

warthog5 12-03-2006 08:42 PM

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I thought we would see some more progress with the holiday weekend?

strick 12-03-2006 10:39 PM

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Quote:

Will you glass on the top/swim platform??? I couldn't tell if strick's was glassed on...

On mine the swim deck is cabosiled to the flotation chamber. There is a 1 1/2" ledge built around the inside of the flotation chamber. There is also a 3 inch area on the top of the transom were the swim deck fits that gets cabosiled as well.

http://www.casdvm.com/photos/DSCN3815.JPG

strick

doug7488 12-04-2006 10:26 PM

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Nice work - Just out of curiosity- how much does that bracket weigh?

FELLOW-SHIP 12-05-2006 11:05 AM

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Totally impressed Great joy

FellowShip

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My motto: Just for the Grins :D :D :D

Blue197320 12-05-2006 10:46 PM

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like fellowship said.. very impressed.

hermco 12-06-2006 08:56 AM

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How much to get one for my 20'? :D

Bigshrimpin 12-06-2006 01:49 PM

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Hermco - I've got a new found appreciation for your work especially after screwing up the first layer of glass (not using enough catalyst). A small mistake like that set me back weeks.

strick 12-07-2006 01:02 AM

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Quote:

Just out of curiosity- how much does that bracket weigh?

I never got a weight on mine. It will always be a mystery. Maybe Tim will weigh his.

strick

Bigshrimpin 01-24-2007 02:02 AM

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After some motivational coaching from strick . . . I got back on the horse again this weekend. Strick helped me build up the low spots and I got the first layer of mud on the outside. Here's a few updated pics of fairing work . . . So far I'd say it weights about 60lbs . . . that's just a guess. After I finish fairing I'd say it'll weigh close to 700 lbs. :D




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1bayouboy 01-24-2007 09:07 PM

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Looking good Big...I can't wait to get started on mine....but I have some logistics to solve first.

warthog5 01-25-2007 03:20 AM

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What's that I spy in the back of the pickup? A Kodiak. :D

FELLOW-SHIP 01-25-2007 11:15 AM

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Boy of Boy, Bigshrimpin got his act together. He even got a Official Bracket Building Worley Gig Bracket Stand specially made for this project. Looks like we all need to step back grab a Beer shut up and just watch the man do his thing.

FellowShip

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Bigshrimpin 01-25-2007 02:45 PM

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Yeah!! Pay attention cause I'll be done in no time . . . that little $35 engine stand allows me to mud 5 of the 6 sides w/o much effort. :D

I'm sure Strick's gonna get some use out of it too after I'm done.

strick 01-25-2007 08:50 PM

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Hopfully I'll be able to skip the mudding part but it will be great for laying up the stringers and building the swim platform. Looking good there Big.

strick

1bayouboy 01-25-2007 10:17 PM

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Does look like a Kodiak....

And I really like that engine stand to hold the bracket...

Bigshrimpin 02-04-2007 02:08 PM

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http://www.casdvm.com/photos/Tims%20...t/DSCN5724.JPG
http://www.casdvm.com/photos/Tims%20...t/DSCN5725.JPG
http://www.casdvm.com/photos/Tims%20...t/DSCN5723.JPG

The swim platform mold is almost done . . . on the home stretch now.

Bigshrimpin 02-04-2007 02:13 PM

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Quote:

Does look like a Kodiak....


It's a kodiak . . . :)

Bryan A. 02-05-2007 10:12 AM

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Nice job Big. You guys got me wanting to try this. Maybe after all the other projects are done. :D :D

Bigshrimpin 02-11-2007 01:37 AM

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Spent today at Strick's doing arts and crafts with bondo and clay . . . The swim platform mold just needs to be waxed and it's ready to go!!

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...7/P1010003.jpg
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warthog5 02-11-2007 09:29 PM

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What is the coating on the MDF in this pix?

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...7/P1010018.jpg

strick 02-12-2007 01:31 AM

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Bobby it's just some epoxy that he rolled on it. Two coats sanding after the first will make it smooth. More pics to come from Tim soon. We just finished laying up the cap tonight.

strick

Bigshrimpin 02-12-2007 02:13 AM

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Just made it home . . . I'm still dizzy from the resin. I forgot to bring my camera today . . . so here's some of chuck's pics.
http://www.casdvm.com/photos/Tims%20...t/DSCN5855.JPG
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NoBones 02-12-2007 03:08 AM

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There is nothing that compares to the resin high! :D You gotta love it.........
I can smell it now.
See ya, Ken

Bigshrimpin 02-12-2007 03:13 AM

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Ken - It was BAD. I left a roll of paper towels in the back of the truck going home. There was a 60ft "quicker picker upper" tail on my truck . . . didn't even realize it until I pulled into a gas station.

The pic above is the first of 10 layers of glass.
I love 18oz roving!! The two layers of mat were real tough to get on (and get the air pockets out), but after that everything got a lot easier (I'm sure the fumes helped a bit too). Somehow the pail of resin seemed to just give and give. I thought for sure we'd run out, but we started with 4 gallons and there is still 1.5 gallons or so left. The last layer went on beautifully. I'm very happy with the results of the layup . . . can't wait to break open this mold. Thanks again Chuck!!

Bryan A. 02-12-2007 09:55 AM

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Nice job. What kind of clay did you guys use this time for the fillets?

That first pic looks like on of my daughters art projects from nursery school. :D

strick 02-12-2007 11:48 AM

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Quote:

Nice job. What kind of clay did you guys use this time for the fillets? That first pic looks like on of my daughters art projects from nursery school. :D

Bryan It's the one on the right (green box)in the pic below
http://www.casdvm.com/photos/20sf/DSCN5692.JPG

I was giving Tim a hard time about that colored template he made. He spent several hours pre cutting all his glass before he started but it did make the lay up go much faster.

strick

warthog5 02-12-2007 10:59 PM

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You guy's are having to much fun. :D

I was building reefs today. Pix's tomorrow.

Bryan A. 02-13-2007 03:16 PM

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Quote:

Bryan It's the one on the right (green box)

Strick - So the same stuff you used before? Sorry for all the questions about clay but I have an idea that I am going to try using a large piece of plate glass that I have as a forming table and some pieces of corian. The clay would be used for fillets obviously. Now I need to find that clay. Thanks.

strick 02-13-2007 06:54 PM

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On the transom cap I used both those shown in the pic above. Do not use the oven craft clay because it is water based. The Super Sculpey clay is nice to work with because it is kinda like wax. I've used other oil based clays and they work ok. Just dont use the water based stuff. Tim used bondo on some areas of his swim platform and he had good luck. He put down tape so he would not make a mess. You sometimes have to sand the bondo or run a light layer of clay over it to make it smooth.

strick

Bigshrimpin 02-18-2007 02:20 PM

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http://www.casdvm.com/photos/Tims%20...t/DSCN5875.JPG
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Bigshrimpin 02-18-2007 05:21 PM

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Bobby - here's the layup that I used for the Bracket Tub.

2 layers of 1/2 oz mat
2 layers of 1708
8 layers of alternating 1/2 oz mat and 18 oz roving

All corners were done with 6" wide overlapping 1708 tape.
The bottom/side pieces overlap at the "keel" to there are essentially 16 layers over an inch of glass at the keel.

The tub took about 6 gallons of resin.
The swim platform part took about 2.5 gallons
I'm gonna core the platform, so I'll probably use up another 2 gallons of resin.

The widest part of the bracket was 38" (b/c I had 38" wide 1/2oz mat).

The engine stand would have helped a lot during the layup.



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