Vintage Seacraft 21' -- 1963
 

Y'all are talkin' about me behind my back :)
Yup, my boat was in the Boat Trader. It's one of the early ones. The hull is sound, and re-gelcoated but it needs someone to love it, meaningfully. Needs new deck and transom work. It has frozen cables (yeah, in Florida). Trailer is a storage shelf only. I have no idea what the boat is worth. Any suggestions? :D The boat is available to see. I am in St. Augustine, Florida. 904-824-8696. Pictures coming soon, I think.

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wow, I really wanna see the pics!!!!!!!!!! :D

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Not sure yet how to post picts on this web site, yet, but if you send me an email I'll attach all of them for you. We are at tred47@earthlink.net, and reise56@earthlink.net.

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I was out there this weekend looking at the boat. The owner is a very nice woman. here are some pics. Its the blue and white one. :)
http://s233.photobucket.com/albums/ee58/bscapo1/

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Seabee,

You've definitely got a classic old boat!
Figuring out the value is always the tough part... and there's always two values in mind ... the sellers value ... and then what someone is willing to pay. When the two numbers come together, is when you'll have your sale.

When a boat is up for sale for a long time and not sold, then it's often because of the price/condition do not match. From viewing the pictures, my guesstimate is that this boat needs a lot of restoring, which is big bucks.

As an owner of a 1962 21' I know how much work is involved & we are beginning her restoration this month.
Whom ever you sell her to, I just hope they have plans of giving her the TLC and restoration she needs.

Good luck with your sale.

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Indeed it is a classic. It is also a beautiful boat, I am partial to the blue and white, those are the same colors of my current boat. It will be a long and laborious labor of love for someone. I imagine the person doing the restoring will have imense anticipation, day dreaming the whole time how great it will be when finished. I wonder if the boat ever had a name/s? I wonder what what good times were had on her, what some of her adventures were (we all know there's always some sort of adventure, intentional or not, mostly the latter!), what fish she raised? I would love to take on this project, if I did, I would end up owning it a lifetime, and end up passing it on only to someone who appreciated it as much as I would. I would expect If you are going to do or have the work done you might as well make sure it is done in a way that it wouldn't have to be done again. They buyer of this boat, I am confident, will be some one who is specifically seeking out this very hull style. ;)

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In the past few months I think I've developed an addition to these particular rare boats. If I could I would buy that SC and restore her, but I'm still working on my Master Angler.

Like 3rday stated, that boat is a special craft, she's rare and deserving of a good home and proper restoration. Anybody who buys this rig will be looking just for this boat.

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Looking at your pictures, the 1st pic in the 2nd row shows a bow shot. It appears to have a very narrow beam. I know the beams on these early ones are narrower(for good reasons I might add; cuts like a warm knife through melted butter) then the later ones. Is this picture resized? Trailer looks narrow also.

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Like a warm knife thru butter exactly , if you don't mind me adding; with the speed of a samurai.
Yes, what a great eye you have, that pic was taken with the camera verticaly. when I loaded the pics I rotated this pic. 90 degrees to horizontal. I had that same thought, it didn't change it much, as I was concious of that and looked at it both ways. The trailer is narower than the average. You have such a expert eye for detail, and imense knowledge on this boat! Wow!

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Thanks for the compliments and thanks for the pictures but I'm very far from being an expert. My info is gathered from the real experts on this site. I build houses and I have an eye for architectural detail and it just looked a little out of proportion. I have an 18, would love a 23, but that 21 is really a masterpiece. If work was as steady as it was 2 or 3 years ago, it would be mine regardless.

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Ok, so back to the ladies :Dquestion. I know I was side-tracked Marveling at this boat. Any Ideas on what this boat is worth in its current condition ? ? ? I really think she would like to know and I am curious also. :D

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What's it worth? Given a cost to have restored of over $30K, and a value restored of about 2/3 of that, it's not worth much from a strictly financial point of view.

But when has any SeaCraft fanatic ever worried about that? What a tremendous boat to restore!

I'd estimate it's worth around $1000, knowing how much even partially restoring it will cost. It's not a financial investment, it a sentimental one.

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The beam is eight feet. I don't know if that's wider or smaller than other Seacraft models, but eight feet is what it is.

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Pretty sure same as a 1977 23 Sceptre

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I believe 8' midship and less at the transom!
It would make sense since Moesly was first a pilot, he was very clever in his designs, he probably applied aviation principals. Most airfoils are thicker in the front and narrower in the back.
Sailboat hull same way. As water/ air moves around the thicker mass once it reaches the thinner mass it almost pushes the airfoil or hull forward. The water has been displaced or separated and wants to "come back together" so it helps to move the object forward.

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Good pictures Brian! The "21" is the most Classic of all SeaCrafts in my mind; probably has more clever features in it than any other model. This boat is definitely a sistership to the "UNOHU" which I posted pictures of a few months ago, except top appears to be fiberglass, like the one in Carla's brochure. Clever idea - only needs 1 bow, very light and obviously durable if it's lasted 44 years! Think I like it better than some of these T-tops that put a lot of weight high up on the boat and hurt stability. Top is also sealed to top of windshield (which was needed because this IS a wet riding boat!) Only difference on the UNOHU was that center section of windshield was hinged at top, so it opened out like a big scoop, providing lots of ventilation, a feature you'd expect on a boat designed in S. Fla.! I believe the sliding deck hatch could also be raised at front to act as a scoop to ventilate cabin.

In the inside shot looking fwd you can see how the cabin bunk extends all the way out to the seat, allowing for a 7' long bunk with a fairly short cabin/fwd deck - another clever space saving feature. Seats were fairly high, but top of windshield was still about 6" above your head. One sat with legs underneath instrument panel with feet on bunks, which were raised about 1' off the deck. Also notice that this boat is designed to be driven SITTING DOWN, so it HAD to be soft riding, which it WAS! The owner claimed the 23's had trouble staying with him when seas got over about 3-4', and he didn't run that fast. He recently sent me an e-mail describing one crossing he made from Lake Worth Inlet to West End, Grand Bahama. Running into a 20-25 kt east wind and 8-10' head seas, he ran just barely on plane at about 12 mph/1900 rpm for about 5 hrs [img]/forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] to cover the 60 miles across the gulf stream! Refueled at West End, only took 19 gal to top off the tank! Pretty decent performance for an early 60's design with mid-70's power (350 Mercruiser)!

These boats were built before USCG required flotation foam, so they have a TON of storage below deck. The UNOHU had a rack that held 4 scuba tanks vertically in center of hull just aft of the head. The tanks went down to the bottom of hull, which is so deep there that only the valve and a couple inches of a steel 72 tank were above the deck. Deck would have been about 2' above the keel at that point! The engine box was also taller than this one, up to top of transom cap, I guess because original engine was an I-6 instead of a V-8. Beam is 8',identical to the 23, since Potter made the 23 from the 21 by adding a couple of feet at the transom, adding the clipper bow, and reducing freeboard, which was nearly 5' at the bow, which made the 21' a great boat for heavy seas!

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You know alot about this particular design, what is the boat worth or what would you pay for it? The seller has no idea of what it is worth Any suggestions?

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Fr. knows best ;)

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That's the 4th time I have heard that number. The other number was about 1/2 of that.

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I think the UNOHU went for about what Fr. Frank suggested or maybe even less, and it was fully operational at the time. Some folks thought it was a little ugly looking, and very few appreciated it's sea keeping ability, unless they had ridden in it.

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What! You are kidding. From what I have read, that must have been the 2nd most Nostalgic 21' . The first being good ole' # 26. Does anyone know where the UNOHU is and willing to talk about it?

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Bob said his dive buddy he sold it to lived up in the Melbourne area; I think Carla may have his name. The UNOHU's registration was No. FL 0625 AB.

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My son sold a classic 19' outboard bowrider to Carl Moesly a couple of years ago. It was a freshwater boat and he wanted to restore it. I can't disclose the price only that it was delivered to his house on the Withlacoochee (?) river in W. FL. on a "storage shelf" trailer. The point is my son spent the day with him when he came up here to look at it, and Moesly told him the 21 ft hull was the best from a performance standpoint of all SeaCraft, and of course SeaCraft are the best small boats. One of the reasons he wanted the low number 19 ft. '66 outboard was because it represented the first production bowrider (his idea) without the design flaws of later bowriders.

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Mariner, You may be interested to know that little 66 19' bowrider is doing just great. Carl decided she was too much boat for his river & passed her on to us. She's been totally restored, repowered & gets compliments everywhere we take her. Now known as "CJ". I can send you a 'google invitation' if you'd like to see some pictures of her restoration.
Please pass on to your son, she's well loved, cared for and appreciated.
Carla

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Carla, I see you are in NPB. To side-step for a second, are you familiar with the old 12' "Florida Skiff" from that area & do you know if anyone is making them in recent years? Thanks, Ed

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Carla: Thanks for the update, I delivered the boat to FL about 2 AM and headed back that night to VA. Carl was at his mountain place, so I only talked to him on the phone. Later found out we had a mutual friend from Thunder Alley, Howard Abbey who also won the Miami to Nassau race. My son bought a 23 SeaCraft from Abbey who was selling it for his neighbor in the Keys. Small World. My son talks about Carl often and would love to hear/see an update on the boat. He's coming over for Christmas Eve dinner and I'll show your post later. I'm not sure exactly what a "google invitation" is, but his email address is boatsaver@earthlink.net. Thanks for your message, and Merry Christmas, Bob Sr.

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Sorry, I'm not familiar with the 12' florida skiff.

Google invitation sent.

Did anyone ever pick up this vintage SeaCraft 21?

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Carla,
Owner called me yesteday asking if I was still interested in purchasing. I told her I was, but not at 5K. I re- iterated the price points the experts and CSC longtimers suggested, and stated that I was only willing to pay said amount, possibly a little more if I could see the motor run.. She wants a premium for her boat, and if she dosen't get it her fiance' is going to restore it. She explained that her late husband had 8K in the boat. I would love to buy and restore this boat,and i have been trying to negotiate fairly, however I cannot pay what she is wanting, plus a restoration. Knowing what terry got in addition to what everyone on CSC is saying it just does not make sense to pay a Lg. sum , regardless of its rarity and nostalgia.