72 20ft started part II
 

here is the beginning of the 2nd post/thread. I think iam slowly figuring the pics out and posting protocol.I ripped up the "modified" deck around the fuel tank and think I found the missing lid/cover for the missing fish box (fore) here are the pics. Keep the comments coming.
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...console020.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...aftconsole.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...console014.jpg

Re: 72 20ft started part II
 

there was obviously some modification done to this boat before I bought it. Can anyone tell me the original height of the stringers?

Re: 72 20ft started part II
 

got alittle done today, needed a break. Going to start cleaning up hull in a minute. Sanded the gunnels and top cap yesterday.
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...console026.jpg
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...console025.jpg
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...console024.jpg

Re: 72 20ft started part II
 

are you going to rebuild the fordeck back to its original? Looks like someone cut out the fish box from up there??

Re: 72 20ft started part II
 

kind of. I have a plan, but not sure if it will work. I want to put a fishbox in the middle, a small icechest on one side and small baitwell on other, with an aerator. Might take care of the "bucket", don't know if I'll be able to pull it off though. But yeah, the fish box was cut off.

Re: 72 20ft started part II
 

my brother asked me why I was pulling out all the foam. I said because there is water in here, where he replied, right here on top I said. Finally I had to say because the other guys did it. Don't know if I had too or not it seemed pretty dry down through it, but what the hell
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...console027.jpg
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...console028.jpg

and one for the road
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...console029.jpg

adios for now

Re: 72 20ft started part II
 

Good work getting rid of that old foam. Here's the bottom of my boat. Anyone notice a correlation between where most of the blisters are located (ground out now) and the location of the foam filled box stringer.

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k3...s/DSC01385.jpg
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k3...s/DSC01378.jpg

As to weather or not to put the foam back in - thats very debatable in my book.

Re: 72 20ft started part II
 

I am NOT replacing the foam that I removed!

Re: 72 20ft started part II
 

TO FOAM OR NOT TO FOAM? What is the general consensus? It seems, according to most pics that the foam is left out. For those of you completed with your projects and back in the water has it changed the ride or noise?
As one of the F.N.G.'s on this board, I was just wondering.

My wife is getting really tired of this web-site. When asked why I am spending so much time here I just tell her
" I MIS-REMEBERED"

Re: 72 20ft started part II
 

center stringer waterlogged. Kept having water show up at transom and couldn't find out from where. Cleaned most or all of foam out, ground and brushed stringers...nothing. Drilled a few pilot holes in center stringer and water was weeping out around drill bit.
Do I need to plan on replacing it or will it dry out?
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...console030.jpg
another pic
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...console031.jpg

Oh, what would we do without projects?
need some help here.
thanks

Re: 72 20ft started part II
 

I dont think that in the center is a stringer??? Mine has what looks to be the same as yours and it is a half peice of pvc glassed over for drainage purposes! I may be wrong??

Re: 72 20ft started part II
 

well your right, my terminology is a little off. This appears to be more like a 2x4 that has been glassed over, or used as a mold. There is no curvature to it. It is definetly draining h2o though, I wonder how hard it would be to replace? It is not hollow though, it is either wood of foam that came out on my drill bit.

Re: 72 20ft started part II
 

???My boat is a 79 im sure it wold be very easy to replace. It may be a structural component on your boat i couldnt tell you i know mine is pvc?

Re: 72 20ft started part II
 

My boat is a 1975 sf. I have the glassed over 2x4 as a center stringer. I was suprised to find that it was dry at the transom. I didn't cut up the floor or fuel tank bottom so I'm not sure about the rest of it. I'm really not sure about replacing it if its wet. I would think that even if it is a little wet, you would still have the glass for strength. On the other hand, you have the whole thing exposed, so it would not be that difficult to replace.

Re: 72 20ft started part II
 

so much for saving the transom. Glad I did this now.
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...console035.jpg
port side
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...console034.jpg
another close up
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...console032.jpg
Looks like it is coming apart for me, hopefully will be able to save it and use as a template. I had to stop and pick up the Kid-o so it looks pretty sloppy right now, should be able to get it out, cleanup and straighten some cuts today.

Re: 72 20ft started part II
 

anyone else seen something like this. I guess it was a patch, atleast I think I finally found my leak.
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...console038.jpg
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...console037.jpg

Re: 72 20ft started part II
 

That's where the inlet/outlet was for the baitwell under port seat and it is a potental transom soaker. I sealed mine years ago and original transom is still solid.

Re: 72 20ft started part II
 

thanks for the reply, that makes sense, I think. My transom is soaked and it hasnt seen water in 3 months. I was hoping to baby it out to use as a template, but am about to give up on this. Not a very good pic but the entire port side is mush.
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...console041.jpg
Hard to get much done with only an hour or two a day. I think I am about to "call in dead", and get some work done.

Re: 72 20ft started part II
 

finally removed first sheet of plywood, I guess it needed to come out!!!!?????
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...console049.jpg

heres some scrap should go good in the flowerbed
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...console048.jpg
shot of transom now.
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...console047.jpg

Re: 72 20ft started part II
 

So, what now. the wood seems as if it is molded into the glass and won't come out quietly or peacefully. Would it just be easier and save time by cutting the entire outer skin and starting over.
I could use some help from the Gods here, if any want to weigh in.

What I did to remove.
 

My second piece of wood was a bear to remove. What I did was make vertical and horizontal cuts with a circular saw down to the skin.(try 12*12 size first,and adjust from there) Then I used a wood chisel and pry bar and it came out a lot easier. It seems that a big piece has more leverage, so its harder to budge.

Unless the guys that have gone here before say different: I would not cut the outer skin off.

Re: What I did to remove.
 

The circular saw and wood chisel will work well. I also suggest getting a good grinder with 24 or 36 grit discs. I would definitely try to leave the outer skin intact.

Re: What I did to remove.
 

thanks. I used the saw on the first few layers, but sure get nervous when it gets this thin. I guess a few slips is easier than the whole thing. a claw hammer was working well on the first few layers also until I swung in though my pinky. I took the rest of the night off.
headed to the store now for the grinder pads/disc.
thanks for the input.

Re: What I did to remove.
 

Why? :D

Re: What I did to remove.
 

the 'copy-catting" continues, thanks again to all for the great information and pictures to follow.
couple of questions.
1. can I use 1/2 inch plywood for the deck some have used it and other not. Is it a matter of opinion.
2. I am obviously raising the deck and am going to attach to existing gunnels. If they are supported and glassed in do I need to worry about flex? could I back fill with foam? Here is where I am at now. Weather has been wet so I couldn't start on transom. Hopefully tomorrow
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...console061.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...console062.jpg

Floor?
 

This is just fact...My 21 had 1/2 inch ply,and was still good after 40 years. In replacing the floor, I will go with 1/2 inch. (The reason I am replacing the floor is that the non skid from the factory was so shot it was easier to remove than fix)

Re: Floor?
 

that's mine also. I was going to try and reuse the original floor and I guess it could be salvaged, but I don't want to still be working on it in four months.
Thanks

Re: Floor?
 

transom finally cut

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...console063.jpg
test fit. It worked the first time can't believe it.
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...console067.jpg

my helper and side shot of "new" console
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...console065.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...console066.jpg

Re: What I did to remove.
 

1/2 inch is fine just glass the top and bottom and it will last as long as you are alive to use it. If you are thinking of your kids grand kids down the road then use composite. As far as flex goes..... I would not be too concerned because the original set up was built to flex and you are glassing it together pretty much the same way you took it apart.

strick

Re: What I did to remove.
 

transom work.
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...console078.jpg
just need to lay inner skin
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...console088.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...console090.jpg
outside shot
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...nsole087-1.jpg
one more shot
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...console091.jpg

fuel tank placement
 

Ok experts, where did the fuel or "storage" tank go on your boats. I think I have the correct dimensions for a 50 gallon tank, but did everyone just put it in the center of the boat. I am getting to that point and just curious, not trying to turn this into rocket science but want to make it right.
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...console131.jpg

Did any one move the console from the original location.

Re: fuel tank placement
 

Skipjake I moved my console further back and the tank further forward to give a better balance of the boat. I can measure for you tommorrow if you want. The reason I moved the console back was I am putting a big livewell infront also I do most of my fishing from the bow and sides.

Re: fuel tank placement
 

thanks that would be very helpful. Your boat is looking unbelievable btw. Awesome work.

Re: Update
 

here is where we are today. getting a little closer. going to put storage/fish box under deck where the original was taht was cut out
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...4/grady008.jpg
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...4/grady007.jpg
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...4/grady009.jpg
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...4/grady001.jpg
been slow going, hard to stay focused but getting back in.

Re: 72 20ft started part II
 

Looking good just keep plugging away and soon you will be fishing in that boat with your son. :cool:

Strick

Re: 72 20ft started part II
 

Howdy, been lurking awhile and wondered if I might ask how you tied the stringers to the transom? Yeah, I've got a classic Mako under the knife but I'm looking at my next one... Seacraft.... Thanks, Greg

Re: Update
 

its looking good so far. i will need to do all that one day. im gonna use mine till it needs it badly. what are you going to do with the rear hatches/seats that you cut out? try to glass them back in or make something else? im trying to get ideas when i have to do mine and see how it would be constructed.

Re: Update
 

grgmouse...i pretty much copied Strick and the others here on the transom rebuild. Closed cell foam and then covered it with woven/roven. I don't know all the technical names for each individual piece of Mat/Cloth etc. I just show up at the fiberglass house with a checkbook and legal tablet. I think you could drop this boat stern first on concrete and it woouldn't budge though. Here are a few pics I tought I had already included.
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...console093.jpg
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...console094.jpg
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...console092.jpg

Blue...I think I am going to build those seats up to the gunnels with hatches on top.

Re: Update
 

Thanks. I hear ya about the glass. I've got so many rolls of different kinds in my little shed! I've had a huge learning curve getting up to speed. Luckily, like you, I've had some great resources like this site to lean on. Looks good. Keep it up! I also noticed I didn't see any limbers in the stringers around what looks like it would be the "bilge". Are there none or just not photo'd?

Re: Update
 

here is one of them, i jsut didn't post them
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...4/grady005.jpg