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76Red18 06-25-2008 08:05 PM

Our Supreme Court
 
Seems that child rapists don't deserve death and exxon only deserves a slap on the wrist for the costliest oil spill in history. How have we let it get to this point

Old'sCool 06-25-2008 09:15 PM

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Liberals and lobbyist

RalphNitt 06-25-2008 09:26 PM

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The liberal 9 voted 5 to 4 claiming the death penalty is cruel and unusual punishment. Cruel and unusual in my book would be 3 blindfolded men uprange shooting .22 long rifles in uncle pervy's general direction downrange until there was no more problem. The death penalty is not justice enough for the bastards that molest innocent children.

strick 06-25-2008 11:34 PM

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Of the five F$%K heads that voted in favor of the child rapists I wonder if any have children? maybe they figured that a child rapist would have it tougher in jail alive then dead? I just cant see why anyone would vote against a law that protects our most precious and innocent of our society.

Strick

NoBones 06-26-2008 11:00 AM

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Frickin' LIBERAL scum bag lawyers !!!!

If something does not change real soon, there will be
a revolt!!!

As for the most part we at CSC are like minded people.
I know we have a few that think otherwise, but it is
still a free country to have your own beliefs.
We should pool our money, buy an island and set-up
SeaCraft Island !!!!

Ken

Old'sCool 06-26-2008 12:09 PM

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At least they got the 2nd amendment and gun ownership right! They still had one nay vote.

76Red18 06-26-2008 01:26 PM

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I really think its past the point of politics. America and American's have lost all moral judgement. No one is held accountable for their actions anymore therefore the attitude is who cares.

RalphNitt 06-26-2008 02:46 PM

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Unfortunately we live in a moral sewer.
Take your stimulus sheck and buy an assault weapon for the protection of ourselves - from our government - and spur the economy at the same time...

76Red18 06-26-2008 03:34 PM

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Stimulus check? You must be talking about fearless leader's last gift to big oil.

RalphNitt 06-26-2008 05:22 PM

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I'm using our "buckies" to purchase an AR-15 (seriously)

Finster 06-26-2008 07:40 PM

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Frickin' LIBERAL scum bag lawyers !!!!


My sentiments exactly!!!

I sincerely hope this doesn't offend any "Freakin' Liberals" that read this". :D

gofastsandman 06-27-2008 11:00 AM

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I delivered Kurt Vonnegut`s paper as a child. "Man Without A Country" is a must read. Shut down the funding for the criminally insane and release them from the institutions....
I read the paper every day. People who have been arrested 20 and 30 times are still part of our "society". As my old Croatian friend Marenko used to say, What is cost of bullet? 25 cents , I buy for you.

We have allowed ourselves to be dictated TO for far TOO long! The timing is perfect. If 30% of us grew a set and took a week off to march on our respective state capitols, we could show the world true sacrifice and leadership! We wouldn`t even have to worry about the National Guard, because they are not in the nation presently.

We are long overdue for a revolution! It`s we the people!
Live Free Or Die!

GFS
Can I read for the part of Gilligan?

billfisher 06-27-2008 03:17 PM

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Amen, Amen, Amen,......We are at a point in this country where the powers that be want to do away with the middle class hard working people, and have nothing short of a Socialistic Government. VERY RICH and powerful, and the rest of us that help them get richer!!! We are long overdue to shake up the government that we now have in place making the rest of our lives a miserable hell. The lies,....the laws,....the taxes,.....the permits to fish,......next u'll have to pay a local branch of sum government to wipe ur own ass??? Sorry, I don't usually spout off like this, but u guys got me started, and I for one am getting really fed up with our law makers and Government!!! Where does it end? Take the time to listen to this guy,....Makes U really wonder??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbakN7SLdbk

bigeasy1 07-07-2008 05:17 PM

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Lots of AMENS.
I was! having a good day until i read this post.Now I'm all fired up,although it doesn't take all that much to get me going.
Let face it,the country is full of creeps,and nasty people,and the very reason for it is because of all the liberal policies of the past.
These morons just never seem to get it,they think everything is ok.
They think everyone in prison is innocent,and that states only execute the innocent ones.

In their minds,the people who commit rapes,or molest children,or even kill them,can be rehabilitated.What the hell planet are these nuts living on.I don't give a sh-t if they electrocute everyone of them on the way to the jail.
The defenders of their rights,are always harping how capital punishment doesn't deter crime,well maybe it doesn't,but it sure keeps that creep from doing it again.
If one of these pervs raped and tortured the families of the dissenting judges on the supreme court,they just might see it different perspective.

And don't think for a minute that the 2nd amendment rights gun issue won't rear it's ugly head again.
It will when all the left wing socialist kooks are running the country.

As for another revolution,don't look for that to happen anytime soon.Most americans are like sheep and don't have the stomach for it.
They'd rather beleive all the feel good crap from the lefties,how the world will be great,and everyone will have free health care,even the slimy illegal aliens who are one of the very reasons for high cost health care.

Take a good look at a lot of the college professors today.Fifty something year old guys with pony tails and earings,or gray haired Angela Davis types who still harbor hatred for this country.

Unfortunately they're spewing this swill to all the young students,who although think that they are adults,are more interested in pounding down a few beers and getting la-id.
Hey,as-hole,you're a teacher,not a pirate,long hair went out a long time ago,your not cool,because you have a bald head and a pony tail,you're the same loser that you were in the sixties,and you still haven't got a real job.

Just wait, we haven't seen anything yet,I'll bet that in the future we'll be seeing tax's on junk food or fast food,because,were to stupid to make up or own minds on what to eat.
It will be ok to marry your dog,and it will be ok for some old pervert to molest someone under age with their consent.Animals will have the same rights as humans,and will be able to sue their owners.

But hey,don't get caught lighting up that cigar,or god forbid you still use incandescent bulbs,that's what the liberals will put you in jail for.

hermco 07-07-2008 07:33 PM

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I sincerely hope this doesn't offend any "Freakin' Liberals" that read this".


Freakin Liberals! I wonder why you guys didn't get upset by this?

Quote:

Justices Affirm Property Seizures
5-4 Ruling Backs Forced Sales for Private Development

Link to article

Spidercrab 07-07-2008 08:11 PM

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hi
my last prefissor had a cool hair dew.she lik to give me specil love teachin skool.dis pikture from mi year book.
u cant see it 2 good but da guys say i wuz teacher pet cuz she haz a crab taetoo on her tity

see ya sam

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Rich 07-07-2008 10:11 PM

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I vote Mr Crab as president of SeaCraft Nation! He has the best posts on this forum, not to mention he knows some of the best looking women on the planet.

Now if we could only get him to enroll in law school, who knows someday he could even make it to the supreme court!

RalphNitt 07-08-2008 12:00 AM

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Or maybe a Senator in Massachusetts...

76Red18 07-08-2008 11:23 AM

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Be it republicans or democrats, liberals or conservatives, my point is we've let special interest groups take over our country. It is no longer "We The People". We have to come together as one to take back our country. How, I don't know. The last time I remember "One Nation" was following the 9-11 attack. It was a divided nation that led to that attack. I fear that as divided as we are now, the consequences will be far worse.

hermco 07-08-2008 12:28 PM

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Follow the money .......... :D

bigeasy1 07-08-2008 01:47 PM

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Yeah,it's pretty discouraging.
The amount of hot air that comes from both political parties is amazing.They're all going to fix everything,and the world is going to be wonderful.
Obama is going to give everyone health care.Of course it won't be the same health care as he will receive,but it will be good enough for the common people like all of us.
No thanks,i'll pass on his health plan.After having a heart attack once in my life,i'd like to keep the same doctor that saved my life,not some schmuck government picked one,who i will have to wait in line for,because he's helping some unemployed layabout,or illegal criminal.

If he wants to cut health care costs,he could start by firing his wife as diversity coordinater of some large hospital,to the tune of 360 G's a year.
"Diversity coordinater!? give me a break,just another gimmepig job for a political hack like his wife.

The sad thing is the republicans in power now have screwed up things to the point of us now most likely ending up with a bunch of far left loons in power,which is even worse in my opinion.

Both parties are to blame for the mess we're in,None of them have done their part to ensure the best for all americans.
What they are masters of,is sucking off the special intrests groups ,and powerful people who got them where they are.
Do you really think that people like Ted Kennedy really give a crap about you.I'll bet he doesn't want to live around a bunch of illegals,or gang members.i don't think they'll be invited to Hyannis anytime soon.

I have more respect for a steaming pile of dog sh-t than i do for most politicians.

Finster 07-08-2008 03:14 PM

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Yeah, I have to laugh to the fact that good ol Teddy had that wind farm knocked down cause he didn't want it to hinder his precious view at his Hyannis compound.

And to think, he calls himself a tree hugging liberal.

hermco 07-08-2008 05:23 PM

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The sad thing is the republicans in power now have screwed up things to the point of us now most likely ending up with a bunch of far left loons in power,which is even worse in my opinion.


Sad. :(

NoBones 07-08-2008 08:52 PM

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Whatever happened to plain ole' common sense !!!!!!!
Thats all it takes..
Money, greed & power have ruined us.

See ya, Ken

My name is Ken and I approve this message. :rolleyes:

RalphNitt 07-08-2008 09:18 PM

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Teddy could simply speak into the wind generator and power New England...

rhody98 07-09-2008 09:26 PM

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Money, greed & power have ruined us.

If I like money, am I ruined?

natchalkley 07-13-2008 09:36 PM

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I just cant see why anyone would vote against a law that protects our most precious and innocent of our society.

Strick

No offense, but I dont really see how killing a child rapist really protects our children. I am a "liberal scumbag" who doesnt believe in the death penalty. IMHO that doesnt really do anything. why not stick him in the deepest, nastiest hole in the earth and beat themto within an inch of his life so he wishes he were dead, but not give them the pleasure of being put out of their misery. that seems to be a far more fitting punishment.

peterb 07-13-2008 09:56 PM

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Nat,

You're not the only "liberal" here. IMO I try to shy away from talking about politics on this web site. I do this because I would prefer to spend my time and energy talking about what we have in common (love of the SeaCrafts and the great outdoors).

Snookerd 07-14-2008 12:00 PM

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Wow ;), I have the popcorn and quality beverages ready......Please carry on.......

Snookerd 07-14-2008 12:14 PM

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A future politician in the making :o :o :D :D............ Miss Teen South Carolina

76Red18 07-14-2008 12:22 PM

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I just cant see why anyone would vote against a law that protects our most precious and innocent of our society.

Strick

No offense, but I dont really see how killing a child rapist really protects our children. I am a "liberal scumbag" who doesnt believe in the death penalty. IMHO that doesnt really do anything. why not stick him in the deepest, nastiest hole in the earth and beat themto within an inch of his life so he wishes he were dead, but not give them the pleasure of being put out of their misery. that seems to be a far more fitting punishment.

I lean a little towards the left also but to me it makes no sence to put someone in jail at a cost of 60 grand plus per year and let them out after a few years to commit the same hanus crime again. Kill the sob who's mental state is so f'd up that he has to prey on helpless children to get off. Total elimination from the gene pool by death is the ONLYanswer.

bigeasy1 07-14-2008 10:31 PM

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Most of my younger years were spent being pretty liberal.As i aged I've become a conservative,although not to the extreme right.
I believe in the death penalty,not because i think it will save all the children,but because it will rid society of the creeps who would actually do such despicable things.

Quite honestly,i don't care about the criminals life,nor do i care about rehabilitating him.What's he going to be rehabilitated to,a model citizen?
Why don't the do gooders feel as bad for the victim,as they do for the bad guy.

It's always the same,they clean him up,and parade him in front of the jury,and say that he had a lousy childhood,or he had no father,or he's the victim of racial prejudice.
Meanwhile the suffering of the victim is forgotten.

If the death penalty is barbaric,what was the murder or molestation or rape,Fun?
Personally i think the death penalty for the people who commit these terrible kinds of crimes is too humane.

strick 07-15-2008 01:05 AM

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No offense, but I dont really see how killing a child rapist really protects our children. I am a "liberal scumbag" who doesnt believe in the death penalty. IMHO that doesnt really do anything. why not stick him in the deepest, nastiest hole in the earth and beat themto within an inch of his life so he wishes he were dead, but not give them the pleasure of being put out of their misery. that seems to be a far more fitting punishment.


Nat- you can look up all you want rapists who were let out of prison and then raped again. It happens every day. The only method that is guaranteed to protect our society against child rapists is to eradicate the POS skum that indulges in this type of behavior. That being said, your idea of beating and torturing them to near death and then bringing them back to life is a fitting punishment in my mind only IF WE COULD KEEP THEM IN JAIL. A more simple and less costly solution is a 22 short behind the ear.

Next time use your spell check ;)

strick

Capt Chuck 07-15-2008 08:03 AM

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There is NO DETERRENT not to commit the crime :(

With today's economy,it's no wonder the homeless and drugies commit crimes. Check out the new Cook County Correctional Center in (Gangsta Town) Chicago, Ill.....
Tax payers get hosed again...

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BigLew 07-15-2008 08:45 AM

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I can't wait to see the before and after pictures a year from now! Taxpayer dollars it work.

That "cell" looks better than any college dorm room I've seen in years!

Who said crime doesn't pay? Talk about "3 hots and a cot!!!!!"

datngrizz 07-15-2008 10:48 AM

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Folks - From first hand experience working 5 years in the Department of Justice, Federal Prisons, in both Colorado and California (I ran the prison maintenance shops and had cons as my crew)...there is no such thing as rehab! These guys are predators and deserve hard time for most infractions or the death penalty for some of the ones listed in this post. I have had MANY cons tell me that prison life now is a joke. We spend upwards of $30-40K per year to house t hem and they literally laugh at us for thinking that anything but hard time in maximum security is a detereent. The get schooled in the joint, they hold jobs in Prison Industries---and get paid---, they have movies, sports, internet, phones, good food and sex! The prisons (low and medium security) are a vacation for them.

I have also had hundreds of cons tell me they have NO RESPECT for any of our property or our lives. They will, however, fight to be the one that sticks a shank into a child molester or rapist...even they have some standards. SOOOOO if even cons can't stand to let a child molester or rapist have any slack why should we.

76Red18 07-15-2008 02:01 PM

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Folks - From first hand experience working 5 years in the Department of Justice, Federal Prisons, in both Colorado and California (I ran the prison maintenance shops and had cons as my crew)...there is no such thing as rehab! These guys are predators and deserve hard time for most infractions or the death penalty for some of the ones listed in this post. I have had MANY cons tell me that prison life now is a joke. We spend upwards of $30-40K per year to house t hem and they literally laugh at us for thinking that anything but hard time in maximum security is a detereent. The get schooled in the joint, they hold jobs in Prison Industries---and get paid---, they have movies, sports, internet, phones, good food and sex! The prisons (low and medium security) are a vacation for them.

I have also had hundreds of cons tell me they have NO RESPECT for any of our property or our lives. They will, however, fight to be the one that sticks a shank into a child molester or rapist...even they have some standards. SOOOOO if even cons can't stand to let a child molester or rapist have any slack why should we.

You forgot to mention top of the line health care. Florida increased the prison system health care budget by 9 million this year.

Fr. Frank 07-16-2008 10:56 PM

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Okay, now it's time for the moral, as opposed to visceral, viewpoint. BTW, I don't speak from an abstract viewpoint, I speak from experience, and personal involvement.

Abuse of a child, - any abuse -, is a heinous crime. I have dealt with the after effects of child abuse from four differing viewpoints. I CHOOSE to get involved with child advocacy and mentoring.

I have held a sobbing 13 yr. old girl who wanted to know why her mother let her boyfriend fondle her, why her mother hated her so much as to let it happen repeatedly. I called the sheriff's department. The mother is a deputy sheriff. When the mother informed the state's attorney's office that the girl was sexually active, and that she (the mother) didn't believe her daughter's accusations against the boyfriend, they declined to prosecute. This girl ran away 3 months later, and her whereabouts are still unknown. If she's still alive, she would now be 17.

I have listened to the private confession of a child molester who hated what he did, and who begged the judge at his sentencing for fondling young boys to give him life without parole so he wouldn't offend again. ...The judge gave him 8 years probation because it was his first offense. When this deeply unstable man came to my office 2 days after getting out of jail on probation, he admitted the only way he would not repeat his offense was if he was in jail or in prison. I told him what happened to child molesters in prison, but he still thought that was better than harming a child again. He did not want to re-offend. As I could not disagree, I counseled him to commit a crime that was obvious, public, hurt no one, and would get him sent to prison. Later that day he smashed a jewelry display, grabbed some jewelry, and then waited for the police. He is now serving 10+5 consecutive, and glad to be in prison.

I have counseled and heard the confession of a law enforcement officer who knowingly allowing himself to be "overpowered" by prison inmates, and so participated in the premeditated murder of a repeat offender child molester. Now he struggles daily with the certain knowledge that he is a murderer, and thus no better than the man he helped to kill. His life is in shambles.

I have tried to console Mark Lundsford, the father of a little girl who was kidnapped, raped and murdered. I assured him of his daughter's presence before God our Father. His anger, now years later, still burns hotly against this type of crime, and injustice to our children. He is still angry with God, as well. My son, who was 2 years older than Jessica, played with her along with other children, just 2 days before her kidnapping.

Finally, people DO CHANGE. I myself am an ex-felon, sentenced to Life + 5 years in prison for a drug-related armed robbery when I was 18 years old. I served 5 years. It was after 3 years in prison that I realized my need for Jesus, and it is Jesus Christ who has worked this change in me.

Even a child molester can change. But only God can change them. And if we take their live unnecessarily, we have murdered them, and taken away any chance of God working a miracle in their life.

By definition, murder is the unsanctioned and unnecessary killing of a human being. No matter why you do it, it is still murder. If taking someone's life is necessary to save other lives, its a tragedy, but not murder. There are some people for whom this is true. Executing them is not murder, but self-defense on the part of our society, which is morally permissible, and even morally required.

But if you do it as retribution for a crime committed, it is no more than revenge, and morally is nothing less than putting ourselves and our society in the place of God.

From a human, gut-level point of view, especially as the father of two children, I completely understand and even share in a desire to punish child molesters with the worst torment possible, and then death. From a Christian point of view, I know that is a sinful response.

Sometimes, you have to choose to serve either God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, or choose to serve society and your own baser instincts.

Now if you are unwilling to serve the Lord, choose this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served in the region beyond the River or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord.’ Joshua 24.15

BigLew 07-17-2008 12:24 AM

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Fr. frank walks the walk:
"Common Sense is learning from your mistakes.
Wisdom is learning from the other guy's mistakes."

Personally, and just personally, I did support the death penalty up until a few years ago until I asked myself, Could I pull the switch myself? In the end I admitted to myself that in most, MAYBE NOT all, cases I could not and still live with myself. It was then that I decided that if I can't, then how can I pay someone else to do it for me.

My dilemma now is how do we fix the judicial system that allows these low lifes to ever walk the streets again?

Just my 2 cents.

Spidercrab 07-17-2008 12:05 PM

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Personally, and just personally, I did support the death penalty up until a few years ago until I asked myself, Could I pull the switch myself?


no problum
i pull plug or triggar fer ya biglew

sam


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