Price Check- 86 23'
 

So, I came across a not quite yet abandoned boat the owner was planning on saving for his kids. They are now older than I am and are not biting on the boat. He just got a new 30' Grady, and has free storage on this one. He has essentially no drive to get rid of it but noted that he wants to see someone get it back on the water. It has an old, frozen up evinrude, outdated electronics, some soft spots in the deck but for the most part is still a good ride.

I am pretty much in it for the hull (and radar arch) only, I already have a trailer, would update power anyway and would splurge on gps/radar.

Here the pictures you all really care about... What do we think its worth?

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hull only with arch, no motor i would pay 2500, i just sold a nice redone 76 23 cc w nice 97 yami 200 for 11k, bought a nicer 76 23 cc w 03 yami 225 four stroke and 08 8500k trailer for 15. just my 2 cents. 86 ??

I know, a Tracker!

Cost
 

I am using a 2007 ABOS pricing guide...(most of the dealers around here use this).

Keep in mind that this is with a running motor...and this program in now 4 model years old.

See attachment.

Not a Tracker until '87. This would be a SeaCraft Industries hull if it really is an '86.

As it sits, I'd say $3500 max if the engine is locked up. How long has it sat uncovered? Although there may not be any structural issues due to it sitting uncovered, if it has sat in Mass. winters like that for many years that is a bargaining chip on your end.

Tell him the motor will have rust on the bearings , but that he could part it out for 1500 easy and that you will repower. Tell him he can sell the trailer for 800. Tell him he can sell the radar for 500 and electronics for such n such. Give his perceived value back to him and get what you want it for. How is the transom? Any flex? Get a pro quote for the floor and transom if necessary. Add new tank and wiring. This sounds like emotion to me. Help him let go. Tell him all of your dreams and plans for it. Build the time, love, and money it will take to acheive your dream.

Cheers,
GFS
Don`t insult him.

I have a 86 that switch panel is probably junk and will need to be rewired

Probably worth $3500 - $4500 around here . . . depending on what condition the trailer, transom, fuel tank. You won't find a 23 SeaCraft Center Console (without power) going for any less than that in New England . . . just doesn't happen unless it's a big project. That's a good starting point for anyone.

Prime example, there is a mid 70's 23 SF with 1980's 225's and a bonus
tower of power 115 on CL for $9500 here in Daytona....:eek:
The motors are junk, the trailer is junk, the 115 is junk and the console
needs work..:rolleyes:

I even emailed the owner to tell him GOOD LUCK!!!!

I had seen the boat a while back and it had not moved in probably 10+
years!

We all love our beloved SeaCrafts, but the value today is not like owning
a Rembrant!

Any project 23 is going to be either be FREE or around $2000 to $3000

Just my 2¢ worth.

That is exactly it, but people think they are sitting on gold because its 'an old seacraft'. Dosnt matter if the deck is rotten out of it and its unsafe!

another problem:

owners of "project boats",they tend to believe the boat's worth way more that what reality is.i see this alot - truth is,that rig's gonna need one of everything,and probably 2 of some.
with the current market,it's much easier,along with being cheaper to purchase something in running condition.
seriously,look at that rig - no electronics,engine's wasted - trailer looks a little mickey mouse...
be realistic: you're gonna drop a big piece of change,just for power - your own admission states the deck has soft spots - looking at a deck...puling a deck,might as well repalce fuel system,transom ? wiring ? see where this is going ? you're drop an easy $20k,getting that rig in nice condition,with electronics.you can purchase one,allready done for around the same coin...why go through the hassle ? if you question that number i dropped,than start addign things up - steering,electrical,fuel system,electronics,power,materials...these things add up quickly...

that rig,me,personally,i wouldn't offer more than $1,000...
by the "sound" of this,i doubt he'll take it...if he doesn't,he did you a favor...thank him...

i'm not trying to "talk" anyone out of a project,what i'm doing is,giving the cold hit of reality...

if i were buying that for a project id offer probably $2000 to $2500 at the most.

I hear you pelican and I'm in the same mindset . . . you couldn't pay me enough to take on another project. My personal boat project feelings aside . . . that boat would not last a week on Craigslist priced at $3500 up here. There are enough commercial fishermen and yankee fix it types around here that can't scratch together 20k for a boat or get a loan for 20K, but they have some cash and will cobble together the boat to make it work. I've seen 23 seacraft center consoles in worse shape sell for b/w 4 and 7k . . . in the last year. I'd never buy them, but I know what they sold for. I remember 1 that had moss growing out of the deck core and a frozen 454 . . . that sold for 4k without a trailer. Minty's former owner paid 4k for his boat a few years back . . . ripped it apart and then sold it to wildman.

Just to add a single data point to the discussion, I paid $3500 for my 25 Seafari with a good trailer, but a blown motor. I will have somewhere in the $15K - $20K range into it when all is said and done and I'm doing ALL the work myself. If I took it to a shop to do all the same stuff I'm doing, it would be more like $30K - $35K. Although I'm getting impatient with the work, I've enjoyed doing it.

But boat projects ain't for everyone. If you need proof, just search this forum for the keyword "divorce". I'm lucky, I've got a very understanding wife. Do you?

Like Pelican, I don't want to discourage you if this is something you're passionate about. Just make sure you're truly passionate about it, 'cause if you ain't, you'll find out the hard way.

Good luck whatever decision you make. If you go for it, you'll find great support here.
Dave

very true !

just 2 weeks ago - i had a client,he asked me about a 25 rampone he seen on craigs list - no engine/gear - fiberglass fuel tanks - missing hatches - as in lift out deck section in the cockpit - it had a piece of plywood in place of it - nice huh ? the owner,he "painted" the deck - even painted the plastic hatches he installed - the boat had been sitting for quite a while - t-top was removed,holes in the deck were left open - think about that for a second...
i looked at the pictures,sent to me - gave the customer an honest,realistic opinion,the owner of the boat,he dismissed what i had to say,as "bs"...i sat down with the customer,at my shop,went over all the points i had seen in the pictures,showed him prices - he came to his senses,after he seen it all in black and white...

projects are not for everyone - lots of guys go into projects,believing their abilites far exceed what they truly are,they also go into projects with an unrealistic budget...budgets and abilities are often the most cause of unfinished projects...

Mr. Foolharty,

These are some quite honest, frank and very objective replies. Just in case there is any doubt, the guys that do these "complete" restorations are some real bad dudes. They have my total respect!!! I've done some improvements/repairs all by myself on my SeaCraft and let me tell you it looks much easier on this web site than it is in real life. Good luck!!.

Great post. I`m a lucky slacker.

And that is half of the story. I will be doing a complete break down of an omc fast track rebuild over the next corrosion filled weeks. This is killing me as the run is a sweet time to get it.

Boat 2k
used 250 hp motor 3k
miscellaneous stuff 7k

total 12K

And I'm not talking about a total restore..this is just to get it running soft deck and all with the brand new electronics (radar/gps) like you stated.

You may be better off looking for a used one that is in running condition.

strick

I want it to be a project more than I want it to be a mediocre running 25 y/o boat. I have no problem with the project side/ doing the work myself and am well aware of the costs. I was not going to offer over $1300 for it anyway, but was pretty sure the guy would laugh me off the phone. You guys confirmed that I could come up a bit.

Those are the MAX prices we would offer, I picked up my 'builder' for $1200, and would do it again in a heart beat. Would I have paid $2000 for it? probably not.

The more you can save on the initial purchase the more you can throw at materials to put the structure back in the boat!

i like your way of thinkin' !


"people in hell,they want ice water....doesn't mean they're gonna get it...

This is wildmans $1200 seacraft and that is a smokin deal up here in NE. Just one example.
There is a big difference b/w that white boat . . . Just saying. You'd be one lucky duck if you can get it for under 3k.


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not to beat a dead horse...
 

this is a common end to a project boat - again,people get into a project,over estimating their time and skill...this is the end result

http://www.thehulltruth.com/boats-sa...3-project.html

this is a project from top to bottom,the boat's torn apart,the trailer's questionable,and the asking price ? $500 ? i believe the owner's probably gonna have to pay that much,to dispose of the project...

I have a 1978 23 CC that was partially renovated in 2000 and again in 2006(?) by me. A bad back has me considering selling. I am going to list it for sale shortly. I live in Southern NJ just north of you in Marmora, Pelican.

Id be willing to talk about particulars on the phone with a serious buyer. I am sorry if this post is against the rules, I am going to pay the fee to list it here in the coming days.

The boat is not a project at all, it has 2001 150 Evinrudes that Id be willing to keep in case anyone is skeptical. Its a nice restored boat that I havent run since December of 2010.

I am looking too...........
 

I am looking for a project SC 23 as well. Been looking for over a year. Many candidates I have come accross have owners that are just in a different world with their asking price.

That 86 you found looks like a great project and I am jealous that you KNOW where it is and I dont, LOL! I think if you could get that rig for $2500 or less you have done some good work!


Best of luck to you.


BRAD