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Sail Away 07-18-2012 05:50 PM

21 CC Repower
 
I'm fairly new to this site and haven't contributed much yet. So, I will really appreciate any information and advice to my repower question.

I've owned a 2002 21 CC with a 225 Optimax for about a year. It has a Mirage Plus 19" pitch prop. The Optimax pushes this boat loaded with 70+ gallons of fuel with 2 on board at over 40 knots at WOT and is surprisingly stable even in a moderate chop. Although the powerhead is very strong, the motor has not been well maintained and is unreliable. So, I'm considering repowering. I'm looking at the usual suspects:

another Optimax 225 (500 lbs)
Yamaha 200 HPDI (475 lbs)
Yamaha F225 4.2 L (568 lbs)
Honda 225 (600+ lbs)
Evinrude 225 ETECH (525 lbs)
Maybe something smaller.

The Opti and Yamaha HPDI are lowest repower cost and lightest. I am afraid to go much heavier. But, reliability is also important to me.

I'd appreciate how others have repower their 21 CC's and their satisfaction levels.

Thanks a lot.

gofastsandman 07-18-2012 07:38 PM

Some 4 strokes have exhaust corrosion issues. f225 is one.

Not a cheap fix. You don`t need a ton of hp. Light is right.

Cheers and welcome,
GFS

FishStretcher 07-18-2012 08:53 PM

Assuming this is the stretched 20, I get 34 mph on a four stroke 100hp Yamaha on a 20 footer. Plus there is weight budget left for a kicker. Kicker and main motor are under 430 lb. And 5MPG or better.

PigSticker 07-18-2012 09:30 PM

Anything under a 200 would be underpowered on a 21, im not sure they ever even sold them with anything else...HPDI or E Tech would be nice, the Honda has the worst weight to power ratio out there

wattaway2 07-18-2012 09:44 PM

the newer 21 is more of a short 23 than a long 20

bgreene 07-18-2012 09:49 PM

150 or 200 opti ...........still fine. Merc fine tuned the opti since your model and they have a reputation for great fuel economy and power.

Etec and Yami hpdi good too. Either of these three and you'll be very good to go for a long time....

77SceptreOB 07-18-2012 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wattaway2 (Post 205462)
the newer 21 is more of a short 23 than a long 20

Yep! There is a lot more hull in a newer 21' than a std Moesly/Potter 20', and thus more power is needed...

FishStretcher 07-18-2012 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wattaway2 (Post 205462)
the newer 21 is more of a short 23 than a long 20

Thanks for the clarification. My comment doesn't apply then. I thought the panels and deadrise were the same, just extended.

countshock 07-18-2012 11:00 PM

Zuke 250 at 580 lbs?

pair of jacks 07-19-2012 10:49 AM

repower 21
 
I have a 2001 21 that came with a 200 opti- the motor had issues with false alarms going off and the like which made me lose confidence in it. So, I went with an E-tec last summer. Now, I always thought I was overpowered with the 200 opti and since they sold the 21 with 150 standard on it not long after I bought mine, I went with a 175 E-tec. It IS underpowered. I do about 30 kts @5500 rpms which is fast enough for me, and cruise is 24 knots @ 4800 rpms- all of which is fine. But you can tell that the engine is working- with the opti I almost never went above 4100 rpms and cruised at the same speed with a Mirage 17 pitch prop. Don't get me wrong- I do like the E-tec- it's very quiet and I've only had a minor issue with the fuel mgmt. sensor to date (throu 130 hrs.) but in retrospect, I probably should have gone with the 200 E-tec. The 21 is difficult to repower since, in my view, 4 strokes are too heavy for an already ass heavy hull, and I didn't want to go back to a Mercury because of my issues. I lost about 100 lbs off the back going with the E-tec while I would have GAINED 100 going 4 stroke. Nothing with a boat is easy!

Sail Away 07-19-2012 01:09 PM

Thanks everybody!

Pair of Jacks - You really understand the dilemma in repowering the 21 CC. Do you think the 200 ETEC would have made a significant difference. It is the same block as the 175 I think. What about the 225 with the bigger block (but you gain back the 100 pounds)?

bj 07-19-2012 04:56 PM

I have a 2003 21' with a 200 Merc EFI. I sure wouldn't want any less power. I don't need to re-power right now but I certainly have thought about what I would go with when I do. I do know it will be the Max of 225 that it is rated for. I would probably go with a 225 Optimax or 225 Etec because I think four strokes would be too heavy. There is a charter captain with a 21' named Old Yeller that repowered with a Suzuki four stroke and seemed to be real happy. You may can google that and get some more info.

elpez 07-20-2012 12:07 PM

I repowered in 2005 with the etec 200, it's the big block type, not the HO, real happy with it, 550 hours so far, running with HD-50 oil.

pair of jacks 07-26-2012 09:17 AM

E-tec
 
Sail Away- I have heard two different opinions on whether going with the 200 E-Tec vs. the 175 would have made a difference- both opinions came from Evinrude people- one said yes it would have made a noticeable difference and the other guy said no way it would have made much difference at all- so who do you believe? What I do know is that with the 200 Opti and the extra 100 lbs. my boat was very ass heavy- with my son and I both fishing in the stern I would get water up through the scuppers- now with the E-Tec, my waterline has risen about 2 full inches. Buying the 200 vs the 175 would have cost me about another $2k and moving up to the 225 even more, so money was a consideration too. Like I said, the engine is working harder than my 200 Opti for sure but I'm living with it- 30-32 kt. top end is enough for me- I rarely run that fast anyway as conditions usually don't allow it and I'm not a fan of holding on for dear life through pounding waves!


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