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Bigshrimpin 05-05-2013 09:20 PM

Eating my words :) 1972 25 Seafari Project
 
New to me 25 seafari project !!!! I said I'd never do another project and I guess this makes me a liar. The floor, deck and the transom all seem solid . . . not 1 soft spot.
Drove 330 miles to NJ this weekend and another 330 back with this beast in tow. I feel like this luckiest guy right now . . . Thank you Chuck "strick" for sending me the NJ craigslist ad.

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...90/seafari.jpg
http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...040_Medium.jpg
http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...005_Medium.jpg

washing off a little dirt . . . boat cleans up mint.
http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...029_Medium.jpg

after removing 5 inches of leaves:
http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...026_Medium.jpg

Both fuel tanks and hoses are in great shape!
http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...025_Medium.jpg

white bottom paint
http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...036_Medium.jpg

Just hosed off one side no soft scrub
http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...016_Medium.jpg

Motor (supposedly rebuilt in 1997, used for 5 hours)
http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...015_Medium.jpg

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...016_Medium.jpg
http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...036_Medium.jpg
Spotlight
http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...021_Medium.jpg

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martin 05-05-2013 09:34 PM

Love the glasses...

strick 05-05-2013 09:55 PM

No wonder I could not get a hold of you today. You were busy! She looks to be it great shape. Get the engine running fix the out drive and you will be golden. Nice Score Tim !

strick

gofastsandman 05-05-2013 10:13 PM

What an Ohhhsommme deal there. Wow Big. Sweet baby there.
Congrats and you will love the splash. I know we are all twisted, but damn son, she ran my mind.

Sanderson from the point, Score.

McGillicuddy 05-05-2013 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gofastsandman (Post 215178)
What an Ohhhsommme deal there. Wow Big. Sweet baby there.
Congrats and you will love the splash. I know we are all twisted, but damn son, she ran my mind.

Sanderson from the point, Score.

Our maybe a little inside game to "the point man?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOIlfV-XtBg

WTG Big! Jealous, err, appreciatin' again...

Bushwacker 05-05-2013 10:45 PM

Great score Tim! I got to ride on both Dave's and Connor's 25 Seafari's last weekend and they're awesome riding boats! But be prepared for some serious banking in turns, sort of like an F-16! I think I'd move those trim tabs to the outer panel and maybe copy Dave's enlarged fiberglass trim tab modification. It's a pretty clever design and he says it's very effective! Denny

floorboy 05-05-2013 10:59 PM

Free?? Really?? Wow. Nice score.

thehermit 05-06-2013 07:07 AM

Big enough to clean with a rake....classic.

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...026_Medium.jpg


Youll be able to push off the dock on Fridays and fish and stay on this rig all weekend. Awesome. Glad you pulled it off.....now go rob a bank ;). This is my fav pic:
http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...004_Medium.jpg

Old'sCool 05-06-2013 07:21 AM

SCORE!! Congrats!

cdavisdb 05-06-2013 08:03 AM

And another partakes of the cool aide! DELICIOUS stuff, you are going to love it.

I foresee the need for a multi-25 Sea of Cortez trip. I think this will make 5 of us.

Imagine, Five 25s all lined up in Cabo.

Thanks for posting the capacity plate, answered a question I had.

From what I can see, the gel coat is in very good shape. Any crazing?

flyingfrizzle 05-06-2013 08:19 AM

Wow, I need to expand my C.L. search out a little further, Cant believe you got this one!!! Priced right too!!! Still waiting for one to pop up near me so I can pounce myself. 25's are hard to come by, especially at that price. Congratulations on the score!:)

bigeasy1 05-06-2013 09:24 AM

Big,
Congrats on a great find,and now I get to watch another restoration,without having to do any work.I'm looking forward to the coming progress.
You said you were a liar,but we all know that's not true,you just have the disease.I've said all the time that I'd never ever do another restore,but let's face it who am I or any of us kidding.
We're like drug addicts,just a hair away from the next high,only ours leads to a much ending.

Good luck with the project.

NoBones 05-06-2013 10:20 AM

Tim, If it also came with that trailer, you did real good...:eek:

There is another one out there ....:rolleyes:
In Florida.....:rolleyes:
Near Tallahassee......:rolleyes:

Not FREE...

Trying not to break the rules! :eek:

Bigshrimpin 05-06-2013 10:36 AM

NB - Gotta go back in a week or two to get the Float on Trailer. It's an old pre 1980 float on with the rectangular torsion axels and non standard bearing sizes. I was gonna disassemble it and toss it in the cockpit, but it was way way too big to fit nicely (and there were some wasps in the boat). Pulled a hub off with bearings to get the right ones. Previous owner was super nice to let me keep the old trailer there for another week or 2 until I get everything worked out.

Bigshrimpin 05-06-2013 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bushwacker (Post 215181)
Great score Tim! I got to ride on both Dave's and Connor's 25 Seafari's last weekend and they're awesome riding boats! But be prepared for some serious banking in turns, sort of like an F-16! I think I'd move those trim tabs to the outer panel and maybe copy Dave's enlarged fiberglass trim tab modification. It's a pretty clever design and he says it's very effective! Denny

Thanks Everyone!! The pics of the 25 in action and all the talk from the gathering about the 25's has got me worked up. I've been reading the restore threads from start to finish about 10 times.

Thanks Denny . . . Roger on the tabs. I love Dave's seating arrangement too

GFSM . . . I can't wait to see pics of your race boat flying at the next gathering.

cdavisdb - Sign me up for the trip . . . just give me a year or 2 to get her in tip top shape. I found a couple of blisters on the bottom and a few on the cap, but overall the gelcoat is in fantastic shape for 1972.

BigE - It's a borderline hoarding problem now :) I have to keep reminding myself that you can only drive one at a time.

FF - Thanks! I can't wait to hear how the race boats run and compare to the 25.

Bigshrimpin 05-06-2013 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strick (Post 215177)
No wonder I could not get a hold of you today. You were busy! She looks to be it great shape. Get the engine running fix the out drive and you will be golden. Nice Score Tim !

strick

Chucky . . . engine looks decent (missing some hoses and a few little things). It has a TRS Gimbal Housing which is MINT. The boat didn't come with a drive, but I have a friend that has a TR outdrive for sale with a prop off a 23 (that had a 350), so I might pick that up if price is right.

DonV 05-06-2013 11:14 AM

Jeeez "Big", I thought you would at least feel a little bit bad, or maybe a teeny bit guilty about your find, however I see nothing to indicate that!!! :) :) Great job and I'm looking forward to the rebuild porn! Good luck!

Bigshrimpin 05-06-2013 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonV (Post 215207)
Jeeez "Big", I thought you would at least feel a little bit bad, or maybe a teeny bit guilty about your find, however I see nothing to indicate that!!! :) :) Great job and I'm looking forward to the rebuild porn! Good luck!

Funny you mention it . . . I actually tried to give the owner some money, but he wouldn't take it. This was his brothers boat who had passed away a while back. The owner was thrilled that I knew the make and model of the boat and that I was gonna "restore it and use it". He said "just call me when you are done and give me a ride". Sorry if I sound like I am gloating about the free part . . . not trying to rub it in . . . just celebrating about the condition (which was a total surprise). The more I dug yesterday . . . the more I smiled. Took 2.5hours and 3 dump runs to get the junk and leaves out of the cockpit.

65Bowrider 05-06-2013 11:57 AM

Awesome find by Strick ... and well worth your trip!
You're going to love this one!
She really looks in great shape ... I agree with Strick, do what you gotta do then splash!
And ... take lots of pictures to post.

Blue_Heron 05-06-2013 05:38 PM

Tim,
Very nice find. I'm looking forward to progress pics. I can feel your excitement from here. :D Yours is Hull #24, mine is #19. You're going to love this boat once you get used to her handling. She banks more than an F16 in the turns!

If you're interested, I still have the two piece mold for the trim plane extensions. They'll only fit if you move the tabs out to the outer panel, but, man, are they responsive. I can keep the boat level in a sharp turn if I enter some opposite tab as I turn the wheel, and I can hold the wheel straight and turn the boat with just the tabs. It's very weird leaning to the outside in a turn. :eek:

Dave

cdavisdb 05-06-2013 07:26 PM

If you really get in a hurry to turn around, the boat will lay over so far the keel loses it grip on the water and the boat spins. The really weird thing is this all feels completely calm, controled, "no problem, mon," like it is the most normal thing in the world.


Drive it around for a few hours and you don't even notice the bank, just have to remember to warn your passengers. It will scare them to death.


Wonderful complement to the bank is the extreme ease with which you can adjust the angle the bow comes down on when when entering a wave if it is rough. Come down correctly and all is calm, it doesn't seem to matter how rough it is or how high the boat was above the water. Takes a bit of practice, but makes a huge difference in how rough it feels.

In case you didn't notice, I'm a fan.

Connor

FishStretcher 05-06-2013 08:59 PM

Nice find! My hull 12 is a rat in comparison. I wonder if there will be enough for a cape cod bay get together soon? I am curious where you got the trailer?

I like the placement of the seat posts- Mine were no longer original. I might might make some nut plates for pedestal bases, if you are interested in screwing into something more substantial than end grain balsa and a bit of glass sandwich.

Maybe we could start a thread comparing notes on this model, like power, fuel tanks, seating?

Does your USCG plate say 3 people? Mine says 8.

gofastsandman 05-06-2013 09:08 PM

Gillie, I met Ken Dryden about 18 yrs ago. He really is wider than three of me.

Big enough to use a rake. Awesome.
Three trips to the Dump dump dump. Dave`s helm chairs are sweet. And the price...
I think we all shop alike, with a keen eye and Scottish provisions. The owner knew what he had. He wanted someone with a keen eye to find her. I repeatedly asked for Papa`s tool box when he died. He knew she would not think about it. I got it. He knew I wanted it. Old family treasures were at the bottom of the dove tailed sweetie. Let your mind run for a while. You earned it.

Cheers,
GFS

gofastsandman 05-07-2013 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdavisdb (Post 215221)
If you really get in a hurry to turn around, the boat will lay over so far the keel loses it grip on the water and the boat spins. The really weird thing is this all feels completely calm, controled, "no problem, mon," like it is the most normal thing in the world.


Drive it around for a few hours and you don't even notice the bank, just have to remember to warn your passengers. It will scare them to death.


Wonderful complement to the bank is the extreme ease with which you can adjust the angle the bow comes down on when when entering a wave if it is rough. Come down correctly and all is calm, it doesn't seem to matter how rough it is or how high the boat was above the water. Takes a bit of practice, but makes a huge difference in how rough it feels.

In case you didn't notice, I'm a fan.

Connor

I don`t know the nautcal term for trailing throttle oversteer, but I was wondering if she would.
I want to spin. Many times.

Big, you will not believe the ride.

Bigshrimpin 05-07-2013 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FishStretcher (Post 215229)
Nice find! My hull 12 is a rat in comparison. I wonder if there will be enough for a cape cod bay get together soon? I am curious where you got the trailer?

I like the placement of the seat posts- Mine were no longer original. I might might make some nut plates for pedestal bases, if you are interested in screwing into something more substantial than end grain balsa and a bit of glass sandwich.

Maybe we could start a thread comparing notes on this model, like power, fuel tanks, seating?

Does your USCG plate say 3 people? Mine says 8.

Fish - I borrowed the trailer from my dad's seawolf . . . It has good breaks which I needed b/c I towed this back with a Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.0L :)

We'll have to get together when you are around this summer and compare notes. I have 5 pages of notes that I mined from all the 25 threads on this board and TRS drive info. I am very interested to see how the fuel economy/range is with a 350 pushing this boat. The plate says 8 although it looks like a 3 in the pic.

A CC bay get together would be fun . . . Maybe a Commercial Bass Sunday in Chatham :) as there are already 20 - 30 seacrafts fishing the piles any given bass day.

Bigshrimpin 05-07-2013 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gofastsandman (Post 215256)
I don`t know the nautcal term for trailing throttle oversteer, but I was wondering if she would.
I want to spin. Many times.

Big, you will not believe the ride.

Connor and GFSM - You guys are killing me with the f-16 handling description! I wish this was functional, but I'm gonna have to park it soon during fishing season. TR drive lead didn't pan out. I'm looking at a donor boat tomorrow with TRS drives. Donor has twin 350's, TRS drives, and newer manifolds and a trailer for short money (in case anyone needs a cheap trailer).

bilgerat 05-07-2013 07:39 PM

WOW, awesome find!! looks like shes in good shape! Damn, my 72 cost me 3500 and a 1200+ mile trip to get it!, Mine is hull #15, if we keep this up we will have all the 72 25's on here!

FishStretcher 05-07-2013 07:59 PM

I need a trailer. Or I need to sink $700+ into mine.

gofastsandman 05-07-2013 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigshrimpin (Post 215290)
Connor and GFSM - You guys are killing me with the f-16 handling description! I wish this was functional, but I'm gonna have to park it soon during fishing season. TR drive lead didn't pan out. I'm looking at a donor boat tomorrow with TRS drives. Donor has twin 350's, TRS drives, and newer manifolds and a trailer for short money (in case anyone needs a cheap trailer).

BushWhhhakahh is credited with the F16 refererence. I love typing Southie.

You know what to do. Fish the 23. Gather well.

thehermit 05-07-2013 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gofastsandman (Post 215306)
BushWhhhakahh is credited with the F16 refererence. I love typing Southie.

You know what to do. Fish the 23. Gather well.

Yup....Quit Wishin Go Fishin.... ;)

Bushwacker 05-07-2013 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gofastsandman (Post 215306)
BushWhhhakahh is credited with the F16 refererence. . .

Strick is actually the originator of that comment, following the first sea trial of his 25! Pretty accurate description though, so I wasn't shy about repeating it!

Briguy 05-07-2013 11:51 PM

Wow, what a score!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My Mom grew up in Cherry Hill.
I think I can speak for everyone saying "We're all jealous!"

Hope you make your dream come true with that one. I'd have nabbed that in a heartbeat. That 25 is sooooooooooo sexy, in a nerdy hot girl with glasses kind of way!

gofastsandman 05-08-2013 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bushwacker (Post 215308)
Strick is actually the originator of that comment, following the first sea trial of his 25! Pretty accurate description though, so I wasn't shy about repeating it!

Ombudsman check?

Big, how did you get jacks under her to switch trailers. She looked to be in the weeds.
Swing low...

bilgerat 05-08-2013 09:23 AM

after looking at the motor pic again , unless the didtributor cap is just sitting on the front of the motor it aint a 350, if the dist is on the front as pictured, that is a ford, prob a 888 mercruiser 351ci. with a 2barrel holly, only rated at 188hp at the prop
or a 228 if it has a 4 barrel holly

Bigshrimpin 05-08-2013 09:43 AM

The trailer took some effort to loosen up. It had 4 flat tires and brakes on the front 2 were tight. The boat/trailer were on a bit of a slope (away from his house) and the bunks were termite condos. I put a giant strap around the boat and prayed it wouldn't flop over. My dad dug out the tires with a shovel. I put the jeep in 4 wheel drive low and dragged it to level ground (away from the house). 3 floor jacks and 2 Jack stands and we had it onto the new trailer.

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...0052_Small.jpg
http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...0046_Small.jpg

Bigshrimpin 05-08-2013 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bilgerat (Post 215328)
after looking at the motor pic again , unless the didtributor cap is just sitting on the front of the motor it aint a 350, if the dist is on the front as pictured, that is a ford, prob a 888 mercruiser 351ci. with a 2barrel holly, only rated at 188hp at the prop
or a 228 if it has a 4 barrel holly


Bilge. You're right . . . it's an 351. This is my first I/O, so I've got no clue what I'm looking at. I'll post a pic of the Gimbal Housing . . . maybe I am wrong there too ;).

Do you think this will be enough power? The plan is to yank it and go through it.

cdavisdb 05-08-2013 03:06 PM

If its a two barrel, pretty minimal power. You would need to prop it for 20 knots cruise, maybe less. With a 4 barrel its closer to reasonable, but no speed demon. One good thing, torque is more important that HP, and I think, at cruising rpm, a 350 is a 350.

The boat is very sensitive to adding weight. Load it heavy, vacuum at cruise goes way down and I don't think the 2 barrel will work. For sure, get a vacuum gauge, or you are likely to eat the engine up.

My 350 is about 285 hp, with a duoprop and is near perfect for the boat if not loaded heavy. If I was going to load it down all the time, I'd need to reprop or go to a bigger engine.

seafari25 05-08-2013 05:19 PM

Congrats, Tim, on a great find, at a great price!

Connor is right. If you can get about 18-20kt cruise, I think you will be happy with that. Being at the low end of power options for the boat, I plane at about 15-16kts and top out at 27-28kts. I find that operating the boat above 20kts is more work and tend to keep it around 17-18, so as said above, I think you will be satisfied if you can get similar performance as ours. Ours is a 327 chev with a II drive. Honestly, I don't actually know the HP. I had always been told 288 or 290, however, that is what Connor is pushing and his is much faster. If ours is, in fact 290HP, than I assume our stern drive is geared differently. Nevertheless, I have always been happy with the performance.

Looking forward to your progress. When I first became a member, there was virtually no info on 25's. Now, thanks to guys like Dave, Connor and Strick, there is tons on here. I assume your thread will become one of my fav's as well.

Brandon

76Red18 05-08-2013 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigshrimpin (Post 215331)
Bilge. You're right . . . it's an 351. This is my first I/O, so I've got no clue what I'm looking at. I'll post a pic of the Gimbal Housing . . . maybe I am wrong there too ;).

Do you think this will be enough power? The plan is to yank it and go through it.

Come on Big, just pull out all tha old cast iron and build a couple of those black motors you like so much. Twin 2.5 280's on a bracket would be enough power...I think its been mentioned a few times that the 25 loves speed.

Bigshrimpin 05-08-2013 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdavisdb (Post 215342)
If its a two barrel, pretty minimal power. You would need to prop it for 20 knots cruise, maybe less. With a 4 barrel its closer to reasonable, but no speed demon. One good thing, torque is more important that HP, and I think, at cruising rpm, a 350 is a 350.

The boat is very sensitive to adding weight. Load it heavy, vacuum at cruise goes way down and I don't think the 2 barrel will work. For sure, get a vacuum gauge, or you are likely to eat the engine up.

My 350 is about 285 hp, with a duoprop and is near perfect for the boat if not loaded heavy. If I was going to load it down all the time, I'd need to reprop or go to a bigger engine.

It's a 4 barrel Holly carb. 99% sure a TRS gimbal based on pics. There appears to be some sort of electric shifter mechanism . . . big clunky thing that mounts at an angle.

Looks just like this one STERN DRIVE MC II-TR

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Used-Mercrui...item19d6e64615


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