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mrzerto 02-19-2014 05:03 PM

Cost of restoration 23' cc
 
Can anyone chime in to a ball park cost of a full restoration by a reputable boat shop on a 23' CC. That's floor, fuel tank, enclose transom and bracket. I'm looking at a 23' and was wondering if I should buy a hull and have it refurbed or find one done already....is it 15K-20K?
Thx

cdavisdb 02-19-2014 05:23 PM

Ah... well.... a bit more than that. If you did it yourself and could use the same engine, you might get close.

Pretty hard to give an exact number, but having a good shop do a full rebuild would be astronomical.

Boatboy6 02-19-2014 06:12 PM

I think for a full resto by a reputable shop will be running closer to 70-85k

kmoose 02-19-2014 08:34 PM

There are some people out there that do commercial boat quality restorations that are perfectly functional but lack full restore finish surfaces. If you where in central Florida I could set you up with a guy that could do all the structure and gelcoat work within your price range .

CHANCE1234 02-19-2014 08:36 PM

Save a ton of money and get one that's already done. Whatever you thought your costs would be to redo one, triple it.

PigSticker 02-19-2014 10:04 PM

A lot depends on lacation, what materials you use and how far you want to take it. If you do it than you end up with exactly what you wanted,buying something else than probably not..

Billpotter 02-20-2014 01:12 AM

Being in the midst of a full "I'm my own worst enemy" custom retro classic 23 restoration project- (my fiberglass shop buddy calls it the 50 year boat, i.e., I have/ am specifying the scantlings (coosa, double fuel tanks, water, custom chopped toe kick console, etc) so that I can hand a good solid boat down to my kids in 25-30 years); the numbers add up quickly. The line between what you can do to put her back together efficiently (less expensively) and the things (structures/ features) you want to do in your custom project, can quickly become a slippery slope (more expensive). I caved long ago, and went the inefficient route (it's a sickness). As has been said before, any repair/ upgrade/ custom feature, i.e. jewelry (cleats, rod holders), electronics, engine(s) also help to push the price up quickly.

I know of a very nice 23 CC bracket completed project that I have inspected- total refit; bracket, transom door, transom live well, new console, new T top, bow rail, floor, paint, rigging, electronics, new F300 Yamaha- I was told the total net cost was $60k for a very nice complete boat all orchestrated by an insider in the marine business.

A carefully planned, properly executed custom project can be very rewarding, but a challenge all the same: Don't say I didn't warn you.

If you are looking for an "old school" fiberglass shop; local boat owners from gold plater intrepid owners to working class folks use A1 Fiberglass Repairs in Miami. I have known and worked them for over two decades: I have seen them handle everything from gelcoat repairs and minor paint work , and minor fiberglass repairs to full custom structural construction and cosmetic restoration, including custom mold/ part fabrication, collision restoration, etc. They use materials that are appropriate for the job/ project from polyester to vinyl-ester and epoxy, and plywood to airex, pvc, coosa, and Kevlar and Kevlar/ Carbon fiber. They're specialty is efficiency- keeping costs down, while maximizing results. I have known the owner/ operator for 26 years- After serving in the army, he started out at one of the first pioneer fiberglass boat builders in the early 1980's, and built his body of experience from there; he knows boat structures and appropriate repairs, and has been in business for almost three decades: Good guy, and very easy to work with. If he's convenient enough, or you're willing to travel; he's probably worth talking to.

Islandtrader 02-20-2014 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by mrzerto (Post 224898)
Can anyone chime in to a ball park cost of a full restoration by a reputable boat shop on a 23' CC. That's floor, fuel tank, enclose transom and bracket. I'm looking at a 23' and was wondering if I should buy a hull and have it refurbed or find one done already....is it 15K-20K?
Thx

Trust the voices of above...for 15-20k you should be able to find a nice 23 out there...

Materials and Paint at a shop would be in the 15-20k range, and then you have to start adding in labor...:eek:

You would be hard pressed to DYI for that amount.

SnafuFishTeam 02-20-2014 01:07 PM

The absolute truth!! I have seen guys drop 80-100k on complete rebuilds. Paint, full transom, floor and hermco bracket could cost +$20k! Forgetting about the rest of the boat/motors.

My suggestion would be to find one already done or buy a solid boat with a good motor and fix it up over time. I went with a solid boat with new power that runs great.

With that said, on my way to meet Bob at Birdsall Marine for my new rocket launcher.

cdavisdb 02-20-2014 01:22 PM

Those numbers may sound crazy, but you have to consider what a new, beautifully done, custom boat of similar quality would cost, cause that is what you would have. 100k would probably be on the low end.

mrobertson 02-20-2014 01:52 PM

If you've been on the The Hull Truth and seen some of the professional "Seacraft to Conch" restores - i can tell you about what those cost. No offense but if you think those kinds of restores cost 15-20k then your jaw will drop when you find out what it really costs.

flyingfrizzle 02-20-2014 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mrobertson (Post 224921)
If you've been on the The Hull Truth and seen some of the professional "Seacraft to Conch" restores - i can tell you about what those cost. No offense but if you think those kinds of restores cost 15-20k then your jaw will drop when you find out what it really costs.

Yea, add a zero to the end to make one in to a Conch. Oh yea and 50 rod holders...


The cost to pay a professional shop to build one is what drives traffic on this site. Everyone is up here trying to figure out how to do it themselves to make it more affordable to own a classic Potter/Moesly boat. All the dyi info up here is what makes it possible for many of us myself included. :D

SnafuFishTeam 02-20-2014 05:04 PM

I just saw a 23 secraft redone by Conch at Birsall Marine. Over 85k in the boat with a single motor!! I'm sure the boat had 2k worth of rod holders ever 2 inches....

Ryan 02-20-2014 09:30 PM

Is that the one they cut 2 feet off the hull? There is a very long thread about it on THT.

mrobertson 02-20-2014 10:31 PM

There's been a few documented over there and yes one of them was shortened. The point being that's 100% custom and professional work and it don't come cheap. For something of that caliber you can expect to drop $60,000 before you buy engine and electronics.

Frizzle is correct - it's what drives this site..........me doing the work is certainly the only way I could afford to own/buy one!!!

gofastsandman 02-20-2014 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mrobertson (Post 224935)
There's been a few documented over there and yes one of them was shortened. The point being that's 100% custom and professional work and it don't come cheap. For something of that caliber you can expect to drop $60,000 before you buy engine and electronics.

Frizzle is correct - it's what drives this site..........me doing the work is certainly the only way I could afford to own/buy one!!!

Pretty much why Trayder started it. The library of congress, SeaCraft style.

Not many can stroke a check for a resto like Todd`s Lures or many others.

I still have primary wiring to do on my 20. I hate wiring. Damn gremlins.
I`m getting better...slowly

ayianilos 02-21-2014 04:42 PM

I am going through the restoration process right now (See Scamp 15). I can say with absolute certainty that a full restoration on a boat that size would easily exceed 50k.

SnafuFishTeam 02-21-2014 07:42 PM

Ryan, I think so. I had to do a double take on the front of the hull. Boat was beautiful.

gofastsandman 02-21-2014 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan (Post 224932)
Is that the one they cut 2 feet off the hull? There is a very long thread about it on THT.

Yes Ryan that`s the one. I saw Bobby and got a look at her. Nice work.

Ryan 02-22-2014 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by gofastsandman (Post 224963)
Yes Ryan that`s the one. I saw Bobby and got a look at her. Nice work.

swet boat for sure. Im surprised the owner kept posting pics as he got the usual tht treatment.

On another note Trayder has a pretty bad ass Conch thread on THT.

gofastsandman 02-22-2014 06:21 PM

Yeah the pitchforks are burning as usual. We may disagree on here but we try to be respectful.

Tight work by Trayder and Co. and a really funny thread as well.

Calibogue 02-23-2014 07:47 PM

Prepare to empty yo pockets!!!

Islandtrader 02-24-2014 08:54 AM

I think we scared him off the site...

Boatboy6 02-24-2014 09:18 AM

Most likely...

Caymanboy 02-26-2014 10:28 AM

How come we don't have all dem little emocions likes der is over on THT???

:-)

hermco 02-26-2014 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Caymanboy (Post 225077)
How come we don't have all dem little emocions likes der is over on THT???

:-)


:):D:(:mad::p:o:confused:;):rolleyes::cool::eek:

Caymanboy 02-26-2014 10:36 AM

OK der Herman, how did you do that????????

SnafuFishTeam 02-26-2014 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caymanboy (Post 225077)
How come we don't have all dem little emocions likes der is over on THT???

:-)


Does your restoration cost include the steering wheel????

LOL!!

Caymanboy 02-26-2014 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SnafuFishTeam (Post 225082)
Does your restoration cost include the steering wheel????

LOL!!

It depends------------.
Some restores are all inclusive, some are not----------. :-)

SnafuFishTeam 02-26-2014 01:50 PM

Thought I would add some humor. . . . Too many wise a$$es on THT!!

hermco 02-26-2014 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caymanboy (Post 225079)
OK der Herman, how did you do that????????

http://i850.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps9bf690c3.gif

Islandtrader 02-27-2014 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caymanboy (Post 225077)
How come we don't have all dem little emocions likes der is over on THT???

:-)

Duh! Use the advanced button rather than quick reply!;)

Caymanboy 02-27-2014 03:32 PM

Ummmmmmm, I use the "Post Reply", not the "Quick Post".


Ok, I found Advanced. My Bad----------------.


But still no Imocicons. ???????

hermco 02-27-2014 05:40 PM

Dude. Yer killin me. http://i850.photobucket.com/albums/a...psc58d352c.gif

gofastsandman 02-27-2014 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by hermco (Post 225112)


The King is in our midst. Bow your heads in a moment of servitude.

Emoticons lessen the tension. Hitchcock was the master of tension.

DonV 02-27-2014 08:39 PM

I'm scared! This could get out of hand! :eek:

gofastsandman 02-27-2014 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonV (Post 225117)
I'm scared! This could get out of hand! :eek:

He was pushing buttons. All as the world turns. I think he has great respect and skill.
I`ve seen his work.

Cheers,
GFS

NoBones 02-27-2014 11:23 PM

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gofastsandman 02-27-2014 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by NoBones (Post 225121)

Ok, that is really funny and right where we are.

We have some folks who color their canvas outside the lines and sometimes off the frame.

The joy is in the knowledge. And sharing.

More snow up north this weekend???

Brrr,
GFS

Caymanboy 02-28-2014 07:32 AM

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What I meant was---------.
On that "other site" you can just click on the little thingys right there and NOT have to ATTACH them------------. :-)

But I should be more understanding.
The webmaster is up to his a-- in roaches and fiberglass dust and when he vacations it's flippin -32 dgrs out.
Whats up with that???


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