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Lordwrench 10-24-2014 02:13 PM

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Bushwacker 10-24-2014 06:00 PM

Big outboards didn't always have power trim! Any older motor without power trim should have a specially made pin just like you're looking for. My 1975 115 Evinrude had one with a pivoting locking tab on one end with a spring and 90 degree bend on other end. You'd just rotate the bent end to point up, push in and the tab would unlock so you could pull the pin, move to another hole and rotate bent end down and push in against spring to lock in place.

The pin only limited how far the motor would drop down. I don't remember it having a feature to lock the motor down, but it did have a lever on side of bracket you could move before you tilted motor up that would hold motor up after you manually tilted it. You had to move the lever down to tilt motor back down and that may have automatically locked it down.

I had a 1966 100 hp Evinrude with a similar pin that had a lever to engage the locking feature to prevent motor from popping up in reverse but I never used it. The motor was heavy enough and I never used reverse hard enough to need the locking feature.

Terry England 10-24-2014 06:59 PM

Some of the old outboard hydro and runabout racers would pin them as the "Forward Stop" and then run a couple of bungees around the leg so they would flop around unless they hit something (like another hyro that flipped). This of course was back before Mercury's were White, back when they were Green and had really bad coils and no neutral or reverse. However, if you could get the coils to "catch", the Hurricanes would "yodel".

gofastsandman 10-24-2014 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Lordwrench (Post 231870)
This motor is 1994 johnson 175, very good motor but I havent been able to work it out yet, only woke her up on the hose at idle.The engine mount brackets have graduated holes for it to be pinned in different angles. After a year plus of sitting, she deserves to flex and scream, I'm putting her in the water tomorrow regardless, thanks all for the info:-)

B

She will have a limit shaft.
Run her low and slow. You need to bring her back to life.
Double oil. Patience please.

Cheers,
Smoker

Old Goat 10-25-2014 08:31 AM

Something like this is what you are looking for.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1994-JOHNSON...545dea&vxp=mtr

gofastsandman 10-25-2014 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Lordwrench (Post 231879)
There's no pin or shaft in it, sounds like they came with one originally. I ordered the tool for the trim cylinder gland, but it's already been destroyed by previous owners. It will be a fun challenge.Trying to balance investment of cash with greater investments of ingenuity and b, s & t's.

Initial fueling will be today, oil will be doubled according to Sandys wishes . Techron, Quickkleen already in.I don't know yet if the tank is that empty or the gauge doesn't work A thorough de-carbing also being set up for next few days.Maybe if I get her in this afternoon, I'll do it tonight so I can blow it out on the water tomorrow. One cylinder is ~95 psi on compression. Possibly F'd, possibly a stuck ring, as I know this boat wasn't cared for properly by PO.

Thanks again all

B

What are all of your compression numbers

They made about 12 models. Some GTs which may have 120-130 and many came the factory with 90.

Run her on a pony tank and decarb at fast idle 1500 15 mins sit for 15 repeat repeat.
Call the FD first. Seriously.Yes, sometimes I can be serious. Really, I can.

FishStretcher 10-25-2014 11:07 AM

When the motor on my 370 lb yamaha F100 packed up, I unscrewed the relief valve a bit with a standard screwdriver, let it down, and went fishing. Then did the same to trim it up at the boat ramp. So it stayed locked down at sea. Maybe there is a similar valve on your OB?

It is heavy to tilt up and down and when it goes over center, it gets exciting- you could pinch a finger badly if you weren't looking.

Oh yeah. Nothing beats Kroil for loosening up parts.

Fr. Frank 10-25-2014 11:33 AM

Sandy's right!!!! Normal compression for a "standard" 90 degree Looper 175 should be 90-95 psi through 1994.
Early 60* Ficht motors were 105-115 psi, according to my SELOC manual.

Fr. Frank 10-25-2014 11:43 AM

There is a relief screw on the side of the transom clamp which will allow the raising and lowering of the motor. It only works as a "hold" in position, however, if there is hydraulic fluid in the system.

gofastsandman 10-25-2014 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Lordwrench (Post 231899)
The model is J175EXERA btw

Some worry that overnight washes too much oil from internals. BRP agreed.

I used the omc 2+4 spray can which attaches to the schraeder valve on the fast start solenoid. Red cap.

I then did the seafoam mix or Dunk method. Directions on the can.

The wall of smoke was 30 ft high and 20 ft wide. I did it at a local ski lake ramp and a Sheriff
on a flats boat came screaming up thinking a warehouse was on fire. He was really mad.
I told him I called the FD.

Maybe just stuck rings. Do you have a bore camera?

gofastsandman 10-27-2014 07:58 AM

I wouldn't run her until you do a decarb and another compression check.
Could be easy or boom.

workinpr0gress 10-27-2014 03:54 PM

The 60deg JohnyRudes also have a series of recirc check valves in the plastic manifold and their intake face of the block, and similar ones on the main journals for that matter. It can really run like crap down low if the intake/carb ones are sticky. I would definitely run it easy and let everything come up to temp and let everything get a nice bath of some decarb concoction while expanding and contracting before spinning it up. I prefer to use regular twc-3 waking up something from a long hibernation , none of the blended or the full synthetic oil. That's just my .02. Good luck

Btw, does the trim motor run at all, relays click?

flyingfrizzle 10-28-2014 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by gofastsandman (Post 231873)
Run her low and slow. You need to bring her back to life.
Double oil. Patience please.

Cheers,
Smoker

While your at it I would throw in a new water pump impeller and some new t-stats. Don't want no cooling issues while you are breaking her in....

Bushwacker 10-29-2014 10:35 AM

My old 115 used 5/16" fuel lines, but I think you need 3/8" fuel lines on anything bigger than a V-4 to make sure you don't starve it for fuel @ WOT! I'd change all those lines to 3/8", and while you're at it, check all the fittings to make sure holes in them are full size. The shop I used to deal with on my old motor once found a 90 degree fitting coming out of a fuel tank that had undersized holes in it! It was responsible for a blown powerhead!

gofastsandman 01-15-2015 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Lordwrench (Post 233699)
Trim is purring like a kitten now,nice to have all major systems a go.Thanks again to all here for the help! Does anyone have a wiring schematic for the OMC gauge package ? It looks to have a power and ground feed wire coming from the OMC throttle harness which then appears to daisy chain around to the back of each gauge? The fuel gauge is the only one I need, it seems dead and pegged low. The tach works but seems a little jumpy, I would really like confidence in it. The volt meter pegs to full high when the key is on. Motor trim gauge is inop so far.

First I am going to direct wire the fuel gauge just to get it working, but for the rest of it, it seems a distribution block would be the way to go and distribute clean power and ground to each gauge. All of this will be not too long term, I will probably be converting it all to Merc monitor, so for now,I just want to get the fuel gauge and tach at least mildly dependable.Any info appreciated,thanks!


B

3/8 fuel line? This is a must. My 96 is a bit different in that this was the first year for the system check tach.

I want as many gauges as possible. Temp should read 140-150. Above 160 or so and capt corrosion comes calling. Volt should be 13.4-14 or so. Manual is at work. Trim is fed signal by the black plastic arm on the swivel bracket. They get stuck open as the shaft gets tight and the spring weakens. Find a friend or child with small hands to replace the spring and clean up the shaft.

Not sure if the gauge packs were all daisy chained for ease of production or for electrical reasons. Electrical gremlins laugh at me. Clean all grounds and hot connections. Bad grounds can cause tach jumping or lead to low side regulator blow out.

Remove the pink wire from the fuel gauge and see what happens.

When you turn the key on does a horn sound?

Cheers,
GFS

gofastsandman 01-16-2015 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Lordwrench (Post 233710)
No horn sound, no pink wire.orange wire from fuel sender to ground, striped wire from fuel sender to "S", purple wire to "I" and black to "G".The gauges also have back light wiring. The sending unit wires look recent or at least in good shape considering the rest of the wiring.The gauge daisy chain wires were all t-tapped and scotch-lok'd into,between the gauges, so the insualtion has breaks,missing sections and corrodded wires underneath.Fuel level is just where I am starting, I need to figure the tank capacity, but the rest of the gauges I would like to recover as well.The feed wires, from the OMC harness, there appears to be 3, are purple black and another color I can't decipher yet.The purple and black feed the daisy chains that were then tapped into and insulation corrupted.I suspect poor ground circuit is prolly the culprit all around,I agree. right now, no horns or sounds of any kind, oil is pre-mixed manually with tank removed. Thanks as always for the guidance!

B

Is there a horn under the console or in the binnie? I believe the pre system check warnings were different numbers of beeps corresponding to hot, low oil, no oil, and fuel vacuum. really important to have those functions. You pre mix, but the hot and fuel function is real handy. Get a factory manual. I always call BRP support when I have questions. The prompt says they will only help folks with 98 - up products, but they always help me and most of them have the exact motahs we have.


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