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CHANCE1234 11-08-2014 10:27 PM

1972 20 SF weight?
 
I checked the specs page but it won't load for me so... Anyone with a 20 SF know what their boat weighs with 50 gal fuel tank plus 200 lbs of ice and Yamaha 115 2 stroke? Having trailer tire issues. Thanks

tautog_33 11-08-2014 10:41 PM

If I remember correctly dry weight is 1600lb.

CHANCE1234 11-08-2014 10:43 PM

That's just the hull I assume?

WillyC 11-09-2014 09:53 AM

Yes, 1600 lbs is dry weight. No motor. You're probably at least 2500 lbs with that load. Maybe closer to 3K.

FLexpat 11-09-2014 10:07 AM

Don't forget the weight of the empty trailer when you are adding it all up

bumpdraft 11-09-2014 10:31 AM

Do you have tire issues or axle issues. Single axle or dual, conventional or torsion. A long time ago, I switched from a 17' Mako to 18' SeaCraft on a single axle torsion type trailer. The Mako was probably close to being overweight for the trailer and apparently when I switched to the sc I tweaked the axle on my little trailer, causing blow-outs.

seacraftks 11-09-2014 06:08 PM

Well are you running a single axle. I went with a duel axle and its a world of differance

CHANCE1234 11-09-2014 07:46 PM

Tires are the symptom, axle is the cause I believe. It's a single axle torsion venture roller trailer. Both tires are wearing heaving on the inside.

http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/...psfc400692.jpg

WildBill 11-09-2014 09:05 PM

Chance I think a 5000lb axle could be in your future. Look's like your right on the money, it appears there's some flexing going on back there. Do you have a 2'' 3500lb axle ? 1600lb boat 400lb motor 400lb's of gas, 1000lb's of trailer or so; plus gear. I always think about those bumps in the road and the flexing going on back there.

Good Luck Bill

bumpdraft 11-09-2014 09:07 PM

If you are not overweight, there is another way to cause the bent axle. if your submerging the trailer to launch. I found out firsthand when the wheels went past the end of the concrete ramp and kind of got hung up on the way up. It caused a toe outward condition and I had to replace the axle.

CHANCE1234 11-09-2014 09:18 PM

I'll have to check on the axle size and capacity. Is it listed right on the axle?

Fr. Frank 11-10-2014 11:15 AM

This can also be cause by trailering over potholes.

I drove a perfectly good trailer to Massachusetts in October to pick up my Seafari, and came back with exactly the same problem, cause by the extremely rough roads in the North East. Had it checked, and the verdict was that I needed a new axle, as straightening the stubs and spindles costs more than a new axle.

If your problem is just toe, it's an impact forward of the caster point. If you also have camber issues, weight may also be a problem. (As your axle is a torsion axle, you also have to account a little bit for caster position, which affects trail angle)

CHANCE1234 11-10-2014 11:01 PM

The axle says axle is 4200 lbs. max weight on the trailer should be 2800 lbs. here are a couple pics of the axle. The frame looks like it's 2 inches by 2 inches.

http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/...psa3a469a5.jpg

http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/...ps840d3d34.jpg

bumpdraft 11-11-2014 12:37 PM

Looks like you need a new axle. Question is does it need to be rated higher, probably if you load the boat heavy. You could maybe wait until you get close to the ramp to gas up (50 gals is more like 300lbs btw) and put the ice in the truck on the way there. The trailer appears to be several years old, I was wondering if you bought it new or used. If it was used, you don't know what the previous owner did to it.

CHANCE1234 11-11-2014 03:35 PM

As far as trailers go it's really not that old. 2007 model

bumpdraft 11-11-2014 04:56 PM

Seven years could be several. The point is that if the boat has been on that trailer since it was new and it didn't wear out the tires before now, what has changed. Could it have been damaged or is it just worn out. My trailer is 21 years old and I've replaced the axles 'several' times.
I went on the Venture trailers site and clicked on parts and it only had torsion axles up to 3500 lb rating listed. I guess you would have to get the 4200 or 5000 somewhere else. Just trying to help.

CHANCE1234 11-11-2014 06:40 PM

Thanks bump, I appreciate the help. I did a lot of trailering this year. I suspect the tires are original, so I will start out with better tires first and go from there before I do a new axle.

Blue_Heron 11-11-2014 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CHANCE1234 (Post 232415)
...so I will start out with better tires first and go from there before I do a new axle.

I don't know what you might consider "better" tires, but whatever you do, don't put Goodyear Marathon tires on that axle. They apparently perform just fine on most trailers, but I can tell you from first hand experience they tend to explode at the most inopportune times when subjected to continuous lateral loading from an axle with too much in or out toe.

I went through four of them on an axle like yours before I figured it out. I kept returning them for a pro rated replacement. Only one of the four failed while the trailer wasn't moving down the road. Loud booms, tread flying everywhere, very exciting. Even had one that shed its entire tread but held air. It made it down the road (I-75) a mile or so on the steel belts to the next rest station. The fenders on that trailer look like Rodney King after the LAPD got through with him. I don't buy them anymore.

Dave


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