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FishStretcher 02-16-2015 10:27 PM

Anyone ever use FishOnSports T-Tops?
 
I ran into them at the Boston Boat Show today. Made in Michigan. $950 shipped- show special.

I don't know if that is a good deal or not, but the adjustability seemed interesting? I am tired of slathering on 1/2" of sunscreen every time I go out.

http://www.fishonsports.com/600.html

flyingfrizzle 02-17-2015 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by FishStretcher (Post 234309)
I ran into them at the Boston Boat Show today. Made in Michigan. $950 shipped- show special.

I don't know if that is a good deal or not, but the adjustability seemed interesting? I am tired of slathering on 1/2" of sunscreen every time I go out.

http://www.fishonsports.com/600.html

Me, personally I hate the t-top kits. Custom welded is the way to go! I weld aluminum and my dad builds T-tops and tuna towers for a living so I might be bias. Lol. I think there is a place in the market for them but there is a guy here on the coast that builds basic custom fit ones for $1200 starting price complete and installed. That's hard to beat. It dose seem like the bolt on tops have got nicer as time as passed tho...

daydreamer 02-17-2015 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by flyingfrizzle (Post 234315)
me, personally i hate the t-top kits. Custom welded is the way to go! I weld aluminum and my dad builds t-tops and tuna towers for a living so i might be bias. Lol. I think there is a place in the market for them but there is a guy here on the coast that builds basic custom fit ones for $1200 starting price complete and installed. That's hard to beat. It dose seem like the bolt on tops have got nicer as time as passed tho...

cool custom is the only way to go!!!! Is he in new burn? Is it worth it to try to modify a canvas top so that a hard top could be installed?(cutting off hoop for canvas and make new attachments fro a hard top?

PigSticker 02-18-2015 09:21 AM

There's sun in Boston??? lol

FishStretcher 02-18-2015 12:06 PM

It seems that Boston is at about the same latitude as Rome. So you can get sunburnt while freezing to death! The Gulf Stream and North Atlantic Drift seem to make a bit of difference.

flyingfrizzle 02-18-2015 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by daydreamer (Post 234316)
cool custom is the only way to go!!!! Is he in new burn? Is it worth it to try to modify a canvas top so that a hard top could be installed?(cutting off hoop for canvas and make new attachments fro a hard top?

My dad is in Newbern and works at Custom Marine Fabrication, the guy that dose them for $1200 is in Swansboro and he dose lots of stuff like pole platforms leaning post ect and sure he could modify yours to work with a hard shell. I don't think he makes the hard shells tho. Now my dad, at their shop, they have 14-15 different molds for hard tops from small ones to large ones for tuna towers on big vessels. They can do a turn-key rig, tee top with hard top installed and rigged with a overhead electronics box with wire chase.

htillman 02-18-2015 02:24 PM

My brother had one made by the guy in Swansboro, nice top, not tall enough for me. I visited the shop in New Bern and if my boat was in the area they would have been the one to manufacture my top. I really liked there products and guy was very helpful.
Also, pricing was very in line with what I wound up paying.

flyingfrizzle 02-18-2015 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by htillman (Post 234375)
My brother had one made by the guy in Swansboro, nice top, not tall enough for me. I visited the shop in New Bern and if my boat was in the area they would have been the one to manufacture my top. I really liked there products and guy was very helpful.
Also, pricing was very in line with what I wound up paying.

My dad builds a sweet top, he takes his time and builds them right. He dose them how the customer wants and he don't cut corners. He is also very anal about what he will let go out the door.

Who did you take to about the top? Donald Jr. (runs the fishing show room) or the tall 6'7" guy (my dad Lenny)

htillman 02-18-2015 11:27 PM

It was not your father I would have remembered him as I'm also tall. Wound up keeping my boat in Houston and having topsntowers build my top. It was one of the last ones they built before the owner retired.
I had birdsall build my last top. Nice but expensive. I have been looking at boats in eastern nc lately and may be putting one out their again. I'll have to visit your fathers facility if I do

FishStretcher 03-12-2015 10:39 PM

Ordered one. Consider me the guinea pig. I like the ability to fold it.

FishStretcher 05-20-2015 10:03 PM

I have mostly assembled it. The fit isn't perfect but not bad. I will modify it pretty heavily to fit a 38" wide console in a master angler.

curapa 05-20-2015 10:47 PM

I'm interested in pics once it's done.

FishStretcher 05-22-2015 12:56 PM

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Getting there. I am a ways off script. I cut the forward legs and used them for the side bars. I need to trim the mid leg pivot so it more closely fits the forward mount. A basic hack saw job.

FishStretcher 05-22-2015 01:00 PM

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Another pic. Can't seem to add two at once from the phone.

FishStretcher 05-23-2015 05:50 PM

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I reversed the uprights for less of a phone booth look. Still needs adjustment but getting closer.

FishStretcher 06-13-2015 05:49 PM

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It is attached. Still a few standoffs to mount, but I laced the t top today.

FishStretcher 07-08-2015 10:19 PM

So I have been using it for a few days. I suspect it isn't as awesome as a custom welded unit that braces against the side of the console, but everyone remarks on how rugged it looks, and it doesn't feel bad. The top itself is a bit small for a console this effin' huge, and I hit my head on it when I step into the boat over the master angler cap, but I am about 6'1". I should learn soon.

But honestly, I LOVE having a T-Top. Best improvement ever, It doubles my endurance on the water. I am so much more comfortable this way. I might slide the top sternward 4-6". And using rod holders up high means you need to be tall and/ or use a stool. But it's great. Plus I got 10 tries to get it fit just how I like. Which is a plus or a minus depending on how OCD you are. Probably a plus for me...

If a local guy can weld and anodize one for $1200, I say go for it. Otherwise, these aren't bad on a 20MA, and probably a lot better on a smaller console 20.

Edit2:

This took a knot off the cruise, and 1.5 kts off top speed. And the additional mass means I really need to think about a lighter splashwell gate and recoring th fuel tank hatch, if not redoing the transom.

FishStretcher 08-30-2015 08:41 AM

T-top changes ride
 
So it has been 6 weeks.

I still love having a T-Top.

The scar on my forehead from stepping down into the boat is healing. Some might argue altered mental status, though. :D

Besides the shade, VHF mount and GPS mount, the best thing is the elevated mount for all around light means that it never blinds you when night fishing. That is a HUGE plus, especially when navigating places like the Westport river inlet at night. It can mean the difference between seeing rocks or not. Let alone the help in fishing.

Of note: I have noticed that the lever arm of the T-Top makes the bow light at speed. Which can make for a slightly harder ride if I don't keep a full tank forward of the console and keep a watchful eye on trim. Even with a rider forward, and anchor chain and 300 ft of 1/2 anchor line. It is subtle, but there. I also think a 75 hp is out of the question with a T-Top, whereas I think it would be ok for one without.

FishStretcher 09-20-2015 09:15 AM

I think I have identified a flying wing phenomenon with my T-Top. Which BigShrimpin noted is " a beast"...

It affects the trim with two people in a way I didn't anticipate when I don't run with a kicker. I finally have enough weight forward- between passenger, t-top and forward fuel tank and cooler. So that now the boat is slightly bow heavy when I don't run with a kicker.

I have a 4 stroke F100 at 370 lbs, BTW.

So equipped like this, I tend to trim the outboard (with flying wing/ hydroshield, and stern lifting prop) to lift the bow a bit at cruise. But as I speed up to WOT, I can trim up the outboard to the point of blowout. edit: (and that's new. I never used to run like that- it was too bow high/ squatting)

The weird thing is- the boat flattens out dramatically. As in, I am trimmed up to blow out, and the boat is running flat. I think the t-top with the downward bent nose doesn't do that much at cruise, but as the bow lifts and it speeds up it becomes a fabric cambered wing and lifts the stern out of the water. Only above 25 mph. But the hull dries out dramatically at WOT. To the point that the ride gets a bit harder, as there it too much lift, so the chop can get jarring. It is really strange. With more weight than when I run singlehanded, it has a harder ride. I think it is a subtle dynamically unstable trim issue. Partly because now with no kicker, it is a bit more prone to porpoise at 19-20kts. I was going to wear out the OB trim pump experimenting how to reduce it yesterday off Plum Island.

I am going to start putting the cooler in the stern now, that should help. Although this is a dynamic trim issue, so maybe getting rid of the hydroshield or going to a 3 B non stern lifting prop is really what I want.

It has taken me a few trips with passenger at WOT and no kicker to figure it out. It is fine with the kicker and passenger. Or kicker singlehanded.

flyingfrizzle 09-21-2015 07:12 AM

[QUOTE=FishStretcher;238987]I think I have identified a flying wing phenomenon with my T-Top.
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Sounds like it kinda dose like a wing on a top fuel dragster but being mid mounted and at its variable angles at different throttle positions sounds like it really effects the hull. Most tops is more of a weight thing making them top heavy but yours looks light and on a small hull seems to effect it in a different type of way. Being yours is a kit you may be able to adjust the angle of the top hoop and use it like an adjustable trim tab...


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