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linesider36 08-12-2015 09:53 PM

Shake down cruise. Hold on!
 
The 86 20' MA hit the water with new bottom paint and at least 40 gal. of fuel and probably closer to 60 gal.I ran the boat without the anti syphon valve as whatever crap is still in the tank after polishing clogs that valve up tight. Yes i brought another spin on filter with me but didn't need it. Well the motor(93 175 Johnson) ran great. With the Sea Tow app for my phone my SOG was 40 MPH wide open. Don't know RPM as gauge can't be read but it was screaming. Way too fast for me. Tonight is the first night it's in the water and the problem is that the scuppers are about 2"-3" under water at the dock with no one in it so so much for washing it down. Stand on the dock and spray it and thats it, which sucks.. Well it runs anyway so now use it , enjoy it, catch some fish and worry about it. I'm guessing the 175 is too much for the boat so if i'm keeping it, I've got to down size the motor or rebuild the boat this winter or both.

red20 08-12-2015 10:50 PM

I have a 175 yamaha (1987) on my late 70's 20ma and dont get water on the floor when at the dock*

FishStretcher 08-12-2015 11:24 PM

I wonder if the later boats with plywood deck cores are even more sensitive to motor weight? My 1975 20MA has a dry deck with 425 lb on the transom. But I have forward tanks. When I got it, it had a 1988 175 yamaha and reportedly had dry decks with the batteries forward.

flyingfrizzle 08-13-2015 07:07 AM

Need to check to see if the stringer foam is wet, You may be carrying around an extra 500lbs of soggy foam. That hull shouldn't sit like that with a 175. I had a heaver motors on 20's with the older type 2" lower floor and it didn't come close to that. If there is some water trapped in there try drilling some escape holes in the bottom corners of the stringers and jack the boat up on a trailer and let it bake in the sun and drain out. The way they glass them in a lot of the water that gets in there can never get back out.

FishStretcher 08-13-2015 11:02 AM

Wet foam can be heavy, but at something like 8 lb per gallon, hiding 60 gallons of water to make 500 lb in the stringers if they already have foam in them might be a bit of a magic trick?

But wet plywood core in a deck might be 150ish lb more than a dry balsa core in a potter hull. That's guessing at 3 cubic feet of core in the deck. One at 64 lb per cubic foot, the other at 10.

linesider36 08-13-2015 04:17 PM

Just got home from work so gonna go check that out.I painted the bottom this past weekend and followed the old waterline and now thats a few inches underwater. It sat uncovered for i don't know how many winters so it's definitly possible.

linesider36 08-13-2015 04:21 PM

Fish, I'm pretty sure thats part of the problem. The decks are solid but the hatch over the gas tank is freakin heavy. Thats about 2.5'x5' and probably goes about 80-100 lbs. I'm off will keep you posted.

uncleboo 08-13-2015 05:32 PM

I did a little experiment when I put a 6" inspection plate over my fuel pick up line. The 6" round piece I cut out weighed 16 oz. when wet. let it dry for 2 months and re-weighed it to find it had lost 9 oz. of weight. Since the deck is wet and the transom is wet, I loosely calculated that I have approximately 180 to 190 lbs. of water weight in my 18. Unfortunately, I think the port stringer box has some water in it. I have about a 5 degree list to port sitting still and have balanced all the weight in it. ( Or it may be one of those pesky hog weights in there to offset the original battery placement!)

jorgeinmiami 08-14-2015 08:05 PM

I have a 77 MA and I pulled the gas hatch and it has to be at least 150 lbs took out the old water soaked wood and recorded with nidacore. ...now it weight is maybe 20-25 lbs. I also did the deck and I can imagine what kind of weight I took off

linesider36 08-14-2015 09:09 PM

I totally believe it! Flyingfrizzle thought that the stringers were holding water and they might but the boat sits level in the water at the dock, could they both be holding the same amount? I guess maybe. I'll take the hatch out of the boat and see how she rides. If all the decks are that heavy then I have a winter project.

FishStretcher 08-14-2015 09:34 PM

I wouldn't rule out water in the stringers either.

That said, I know my fuel tank hatch is heavy with a wet plywood core. I bet someone else on the list here knows better than I what the deck construction is on a 1986. And it might not be original.

otterhound 08-14-2015 10:00 PM

i have an '89 SF and while the fuel tank hatch was plywood squares which was soaking wet and very heavy. The rest of the cockpit floor is balsa and was wet and rotted around the console and leaning post mounts. It looks like Tracker used whatever they had laying around lol!
Rod

FAS 08-15-2015 06:46 AM

can you weigh the boat,maybe on a roll on scale..you know the weight of the motor , trailer,and how much gas there is in the boat.original weight of the boat should be available by some way..

linesider36 08-15-2015 01:38 PM

Yes I was thinking of doing that just to know. East Coast Mines will probably do it for me.

ricciprice 08-15-2015 11:19 PM

Rebuilding a 78 master angler now, pulled the backed end the floor and the front deck all in one piece, took three grown men to move it 50', the whole thing had to weigh 3-400 lbs., like the floor hatch the wood was soaked front to back, not gonna use the original floor now, but I did cut the cut the glass off and pulled the wet wood out and could pick up the floor up with one hand, my top cap was the same way, I would be surprised to find one without wet wood......

linesider36 08-16-2015 08:22 AM

Unfortunately I have to agree with you.I'm finding more telltale signs of wet wood.Found a loose hinge screw that had no grip left and put in a larger/longer screw and it augured out some black wet wood before getting a grip. I think they might have gone to all glass on my cap. It seems too thin for any wood to be in there , at least I hope so. Now, I know the cap can come off as one piece from the great pics on other restorations, does anyone know if the deck can come out too as a whole? I know, based on the weight of the hatch over the gas tank that I would need a small crane or good size fork lift to get it out and handle it, or is a SkillSaw the best bet???

jorgeinmiami 08-16-2015 05:48 PM

Ship shape TV hade a episode that showed a aquasport that they pulled the whole deck off in one piece flipping it over took out the old wood replaced it with nicacore placed it back into place aND glassed it back.......I wish I would have seen it prior to my rehab

FishStretcher 08-16-2015 06:20 PM

Heh. I think my deck is about ready to come out in one piece! If you want to be most effective then do the fuel tank hatch first. A deck is a LOT more work. And the fuel tank hatch is about as far aft as you can get. Push batteries forward and empty the rear lockers. I would sure do that before a deck. I am lazy any want to USE my boat. Good luck!


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