M o e s l y 21
 

So is the early Moesley 21 runabout model kind of the Seacraft equivalent of a purple unicorn that votes Republican? I hear about them but never see them.

YES.

Things are fricken huge.

And the ride??? Whoa.

And it's spelled MOESLY :cool:

And it's spelled ... M o e s l y ...

There were not that many built and only a few found ...

Sorry......Moesly. I will remember that next time.:-D

Seems we have what the kids call a troll, considering 5 posts in 5 years and one of them is heckling the maker of the boats we love

You have no clue !
Like a Democrat that votes for jackass's..

Plug is getting ready to be pulled..

Damn...I hate auto correct :cool:

News release?

Sacrilege, I tell you!

Heckling or merely making a joke about someone correcting an innocent spelling mistake?

Ugh, This is what's stirring the pot...
Keep in mind this is "NOT" The Hull Truth !!

We are a close knit group friends and family here..

You may want to educate yourself on the history of SeaCraft
before you make any further posts..

Start here

I figured as much, but was surprised at the severity the reaction. apologies. But seriously, back to the original question? How many of those original 21's were made?

65Bowrider is the daughter of the inventor and builder of SeaCraft, Carl Moesly
She already gave you the answer..:rolleyes:

Again do your home work...

One thing that will not be tolerated here is someone that comes on CSC
basically unknown and start chit !!

Maybe hundreds or more. The majority were part of govt contracts in the `60s.
You may have an easier time finding one in Cuba or Vietnam than here.

You certainly stepped on a hornets nest.

GFS

Sorry once again. As you probably know, the site that was linked appear to be a work in progress. Some info is kind hard to find anywhere once you get beyond the basics.

Hi CSC,
My name is jdm and I have some questions. Which years after Potter suck the most?

We don't know how many 21s were built and Pol Pot ain`t talkin`.

Good one, since he assumed room temp in 98...

Okay. My name is Joe and I live in St. Pete. My direct exposure to small offshore boats was somewhat limited because I had access to large boats for many years. I have had access to a couple of 17 foot Whalers, a Goldline (bait boat and light tackle charter craft for my dad's captain when he wasn't running the big boat) and a number of ski boats, but literally could count how many times that i have been offshore in anything small other than the aforementioned Montauk 17's and whatever weird little foreign built tri-hulls Fish Camp in Tavernier was using in 1971 on one hand and have fingers left over. The other smaller boats that I have been around were not offshore hulls. As a matter of fact, even at a young and not quite so foolish age (mid to late 20's), I realized that the Montauk wasn't either. LOL. My big boat days are over, so I have started looking at smaller boats. I like the look of the older boats and the fact that a number of them are better built than much of what is available today in that size range is an added bonus. The Seacraft are on that short list of ones that look most interesting. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :-D

What access to larger boats did you have?
`55 Rybo 48?
Older sea ray?

What is a number roof?

OK John, You must have seen my old '78 cruising under Longboat :)
BTW: I changed your thread title because I couldn't stand to read it in it's altered state.
Lets keep it civilized, so the gang don't stick it to you.

Capt Chuck (Admin)

Bertram 35, Hatteras 36 Express, Viking 43 Express, Hatteras 50, Monterey 65, Viking 52 Express and others not owned by family. My dad did have a 24 Sea Ray for the grandkids in the canal in his back yard, but we don't like to admit to that. As for a number roof, you will have to ask Spell Check/Auto Fill what that is. What I typed or intended to type was "a number of them" ;-) Funny that you mention a 48 Rybo because the 50 Hatt won out over an 89 48 Rybo. Not my decisions, mind you, as I was pushing hard for the Rybo but I was merely searching for candidates for purchase not cutting the check. In hindsight, everyone involved agreed that was a double bad decision not buying the Rybo AND replacing that really good 43 Viking with the Hatteras. The thinking was need more bunks for when we took customers, vendors and such out fishing. Most of the time, they didn't want to sleep on the boat anyway.

No, Captain, haven't seen it yet, but surely wouldn't mind. :-D I had already changed the title. Did I get it wrong again?

Nope.

Don't be afraid to admit you had a 24 Searay... (I owned a 76 24 Command Bridge Searay for years and loved that boat).
Hopefully you can tell by my icon that I own one of the running 21's built by Carl Moesly. Knowing what I know now...if I could not be in my 21 for off shore running, I would be in a 23 Seacraft of any configuration. Matter of fact I was looking for a 23 before the 21 found me.
According to what I know...less than 200 were built, and there are only 6-8 accounted for. My number is 136 and I think that is the newest in the bunch. ( I can't remember what Gillies number is).
If you want more info...just click on my link and you will see the whole rebuild process.

I saw your thread. Pretty amazing work. As for the Sea Ray, it was one of the newer 2000's era 24 bowlders, so I stand firm by my embarrassment. It handled like a pig. LOL I have been wondering about those old 70's Sea Rays. They don't look much like the one that my dad had.

Jdm61 I wasn't lucky enough to grow up around boats but as my kids grew up and it was time to sell the race car and do some more with the whole family I started looking at boats and asking a lot of questions about what kind --- it was amazing who many came up with the same answer to my lists of wants and needs.Sounds like your looking for a old SeaCraft try a 20' . Later after a few years I got man as much as you like your 20 for fishing offshore if you got in a 23 you would swap in a minute . You can learn a lot by asking!

Joe -

I've had both a 20 CC and Seafari. Both are terrific, but different. I currently have a 23CC that we fully renovated and is awesome. But she like bigger water and now we are renovating a '67 bowrider 19', which has a 90 eTec. In my humble opinion, the best all around is a 20CC with at least 85 HP up to 130ish.

Arguably, there has been no definitive evidence that any year SeaCraft hull is not worthy with the possible exception of a random structural issue with a 2000 25CC.

If you are willing to make a significant investment in time and energy, you can not make a mistake with a these hulls. As you have seen, you can do what ever with a renovation or just get a good one and run her. You may have it for a long time.

With this great family on CSC, it becomes both the journey AND the destination. Good Luck!

well said ocuyler!

Thanks, Otto and Wattaway,
The 18 or 20 would work best for me in my current tow vehicle situation. We have my mother's low mileage 2006 Chevy Colorado "gardening truck" as kind of a communal hauling and towing vehicle and it will pull 4000 lbs which is probably less than would require for a a 23. My sister in law had one of those giant GMC Yukon Denali's but it's tow weight is whatever her three kids can stuff in the back. We use the truck to tow my brothers Key West 1990 Sportsman, but that is a fairly light boat. i have no illusions about gong offshore in this part of the world, but getting out to say Egmont without getting my backside whooped would sure be nice and being abel to trailer to the east coast of the Keys and go a little ways out there would be gravy. The better news is that my dad is moving to an high fenced acre plus on the river and the property has a 25 x 35 concrete block shop building with a lean-to on the side up by the road for all of our collective toys. Won't he be pleased? LOL I just saw a 77 Potter 18 with a mid 2000's "Johnzuki" 140hp 4 stroke listed for sale in South Florida right now. Might be worth a look. The ad said it was restored, but who knows what that means?

The GVW for my 20 MA on a single axle aluminum bunk trailer is 4300 lb. I suspect empty, it is about 3500lb. It has surge brakes. This includes the 800 lb aluminum trailer.

I towed my 20 home from the prior owner behind an automatic 2WD 2.7 liter Tacoma. For 120 miles. I wouldn't do it again, but it also didn't drop the transmission in the street, either.

Thanks for the info. I was wonder what size trailer you needed. I was surprised that the Tacoma is only rated by Toyota for 3500 lbs. It seems like a larger truck that the old Colorado. The new diesel Colorado/Canyon series is rated for like 7000 but they only come in the extended cab Z71 or higher spec and who in their right mind is going to pay $37,000 for a compact pickup? Criminy!!!!! As my grandfather used to say, stuff has gone up since the war.

I've got a T100 w 3.4L rated for 5200 lbs and wish I had more truck (at least posi-traction)[ when towing Seafari 20 on old galvi tandem trailer. Tundra w 4.7 and longer wheelbase would be perfect.

In my mind, the 21 (#147) requires a 3/4 ton or maybe a modern 1/2 ton Tundra.

Longing for the days when you could buy an old beat to hell large V8 family sedan and tow a boat. But that was a LONG time ago. LOL Th only reason that our Colorado will tow 400 is that the dealer was a friend and gave a sweetheart deal on the bigger 5 cylinder engine because he knew that my mom liked to do stuff like haul loads of topsoil, mulch etc. from Home Depot and make her ingrate children unload it. ;-) The 4 cylinder model had a towing weight of as low as 1500. Pretty useless.

Where in st. Pete are you?

My Grandfather towed a large T-Craft with an old Impala. Had a hitch up front to hook the trailer to when launching. Kept the tires on dry concrete. That WAS a long time ago...

Now I know I am just towing in flat country...but my Honda Ridgeline seems to be perfect. With the 4wd I have pulled the 21 out on a real primitive ramp. Plus on my last fill up all highway (not towing) got 21.3 mpg.:p

I'm currently boatless, but I have a 2013 Ford F-150 5.0 with an 8,000 LB tow capacity and a Sea Craft sticker on the back windshield!

Ridgeline is rated at 5000 lbs, right?

Was very pleasantly surprised to find my 2014 dodge hemi 4x4 with 8 speed tranny getting between 21-23.5 mpg with out towing