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travisrandall 09-07-2017 09:45 PM

How would you fix this?
 
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I have some glass work that needs to be done. How would you recommend I start atacking this?

travisrandall 09-07-2017 09:46 PM

I don't know why they are upside down

Tiny 09-11-2017 08:05 PM

I've done a couple of our keels (over the years they get worn down from hard trailering and grounding)...just ground it down till I got to good glassand feathered it out (sometimes I've had to apply a lot of acetone because it helps get out some of the moisture as it evaporates fast) then laid up 1708 on a piece of wax paper upside down, with progressively larger patches (think of it as building a small mountian) then apply it. The rest of the areas, I'm not sure.

travisrandall 09-19-2017 08:55 AM

Thanks. Any idea what a shop would charge to replace center stringer I think the only bulkhead that I would have to remove is aft of console. Everything else behind it I can pull panels out and get gas tank out. I'm thinking about selling the boat because I really don't have the money to fix it but I can't get the money I have in it out unless I fix it. The bottom area that looks like the gel coat peeled off kind of concerns me as well. I'm not looking for a show quality rig but I do want it to be dependable

travisrandall 09-23-2017 09:30 AM

Another route
 
How hard will it be for me to replace the center stringer myself?

travisrandall 09-28-2017 09:52 AM

Under fish box
 
Can anyone describe or possible give me pictures of the area below the forward fish box on my 23cc? Yesterday while running in the river I open the hatch in front of console and through a inspection plate I can see water running to stern. How much of the center stringer can I get to if I remove the floor of the hatch of the fish box? Can I just cut out a few feet of the stringer and glass in a patch or does the stringer need to be replace bow to stern?

FLexpat 09-28-2017 11:51 AM

Some (most???) of the post-Potter 23s did not have the center stringer at all. Several 23 owners have removed it during rebuild or replaced it with a different configuration like a half round of 3-6" PVC pipe. The big thing is to make sure you do a good job on the hull patch. Take a look at what BigShrimpin did when he had to patch a hole in his hull while fixing his stringer - he did a thread earlier this year on it.

travisrandall 09-29-2017 05:00 PM

So I cut a hole in bottom of fish box. Tried spraying water with garden hose and no water comes in. Put it in the water and water is coming in right at the beginning of the center stringer. I can't see any cracks or holes but it's coming from somewhere. When in plane it runs to the stern so I'm pretty sure it's the source. Now what should I do with it?

travisrandall 09-29-2017 05:14 PM

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Picture of water

Terry England 09-29-2017 05:57 PM

Aqua
 
Yes, It appears to be dihydrogen monoxide intrusion. It's always a BMP (Best Management Practice) to keep that on the outside of the "hull envelope" of your boat, whenever possible.

Some of us with really old "Non-scuppered" Moesly Seacrafts rely on what's known as a "float switch activated bilge pump". It's the only thing that separates us from Davey Jones Locker.

They seem to work the best when your boat is on the trailer and you are pulling away from a light. With practice, you can discharge 5 gallons of bilge slime on to the Miata driver in the lane next to you. This usually leads to some form of road rage, so be sure you are "packing".

On second thought "self-bailing" might be the best option, but not through the keel!

travisrandall 09-30-2017 03:14 PM

Thank you jerk for nothing. You feel better about yourself?

mnwnvc 09-30-2017 05:18 PM

Look you have major issues with the glass on the bottom of your boat. I am surprised it floats.
Pick up a grinder and fix ALL the issues on your bottom and you will no longer have leaks. There is no easy fix.

Bigshrimpin 09-30-2017 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by travisrandall (Post 254242)
Can anyone describe or possible give me pictures of the area below the forward fish box on my 23cc? Yesterday while running in the river I open the hatch in front of console and through a inspection plate I can see water running to stern. How much of the center stringer can I get to if I remove the floor of the hatch of the fish box? Can I just cut out a few feet of the stringer and glass in a patch or does the stringer need to be replace bow to stern?

Travis - You've got a few issues going on with the hull now. The delamination area by the bunk board concerns me the most (looks like someone "repaired" the area already). Sadly I don't think there's a quick fix for either the center stringer or the bunk board area. Here's a picture of the stringer layout in a 23. If you search google images for "seacraft stringer" you can get lots more detail. Are you sure the water you are seeing isn't coming in from around the thru-hull fitting in the front fishbox?

Don't be affraid to fill the hull with water while it's on the trailer and search for leaks.


http://www.classicseacraft.com/broch...edium/0002.jpg

travisrandall 09-30-2017 11:26 PM

I cut a larger access area in fish box. Started grinding with fein tool into stringer. I ground out about 6". Ordered some new blades that will be here Monday. Going to take it slow and see what I can do. Still trying to figure out if I even need the center stringer

travisrandall 10-02-2017 05:56 PM

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How would you cut this bulkhead to gain access to the stringer?

travisrandall 10-02-2017 05:56 PM

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Cleaned up the stringer in fish box area.

FLexpat 10-02-2017 07:46 PM

Understanding how the damage occurred could really help you fix it properly and find all the damage instead of just what is obvious. Is there any chance this hull could have been dropped?

travisrandall 10-02-2017 07:55 PM

Hull had ground against trailer. It went for a while before I caught the problem. I tried to fix it a few times with "bubble gum" on outside. It turns out that west systems with the right filller is much stronger than resin and glass. I'm taking 3" of stringer out at a time and checking for cracks. I think I only need a few more inches maybe more to be in solid glass. Then I'm thinking I need to bring it to a pro to reglass it. I'll get dirty for now.

travisrandall 10-02-2017 07:59 PM

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This is April before I put west on from bottom

travisrandall 10-04-2017 04:38 PM

Any advice about how to cut bulkhead out without causing to much damage?

Trayder 10-06-2017 11:28 PM

if that were my boat I would cut the entire deck out and see what is gong on down there. You have a few serious issues that I do not think you can fix without seeing everything under the deck.

bad news-its gonna be a lot more than a quick fix

good news-you will have a bad ass sled when done

FLexpat 10-07-2017 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Trayder (Post 254342)
if that were my boat I would cut the entire deck out and see what is gong on down there. You have a few serious issues that I do not think you can fix without seeing everything under the deck.

bad news-its gonna be a lot more than a quick fix

good news-you will have a bad ass sled when done

X2
The bottom damage on/by the step in the pic looks a lot more concerning to me and I think that is right under a stringer

caper 10-07-2017 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by travisrandall (Post 253860)
I have some glass work that needs to be done. How would you recommend I start atacking this?

With a big check to a great 'glass man !

travisrandall 10-14-2017 10:13 PM

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Does this look normal with glass darker below stringer?

Trayder 10-14-2017 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by travisrandall (Post 254439)
Does this look normal with glass darker below stringer?

looks like water has penetrated the glass, explains some of the delamination if so, how deep did you grind there?

Bigshrimpin 10-15-2017 12:26 AM

Travis - You've got the same issue I had with the delamination.
http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...bum185/1_G.jpg


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