350 Verado
 

Anyone out there hang one on a 23' yet?

Too heavy - looked in to it.

No, it is not too heavy. The 23' Seacraft was designed to hold up to twin V6 Evinrude Johnson 20" outboards, at 406 lbs each. I had a '77 23' SF rigged with twin 235 Evinrudes, a total of 822 lbs, and even had a dry deck as long as I didn't walk to the very back of the boat :)

(Yes, I know it was only rated for 400 hp in 1977, but that's because nobody built anything more powerful in '77. The 1978/79 Savage, Sceptre 23', and Seavette 23' were all rated for 500 hp. I don't remember what the '78/79 Superfisherman was rated for)

It will easily carry a single 686 lb V-rod 350 hp outboard.
The last of the 23' SeaCrafts in 2006-2009 were often factory rigged with up to twin 150 hp Verado's at 510 lbs each, for a total of 1020 lbs. The Tournament Edition 26 Seacrafts of 2009 were available with twin 250 hp Verado's, for a total of 1270 lbs of motors, and they were actually only 24' 4" plus a built-in flotation bracket.

Should have added I have the Hermco designed for twins.

with a 25" transom 700lbs is too much weight. If you drift in even 1ft seas you'll take water over the transom. Add 2 regular size humans (from 2018, not 1973 skinny people) in the back and you have wet feet. The newer 23's have 30" transoms, higher floors, and different weight distribution. I still would try to keep the weight under 600lbs. I helped rig a 350 zuke on a 24 silverhawk this year and it's overkill IMO. When the wind/seas pick up, you still have to slow down to 20knots. It's a lot harder to lift the azz and stay on plane when you have a larger badonkadonk.

These 23's were designed for inline 6 115's (275lbs each) and Johnrude v4 115's and 135's (271lbs). 2thristy5's didn't come around until 1976/1977.

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Bigs, I fished next to that Silverhawk with the 350 zuk off Chatham a few weeks ago. Looked like it sat well.
Fr. Frank, The '09 26 TE and MA do not have a built in bracket. Hull extends fully to transom.

Eric's Silverhawk has a big dusky flotation bracket and it flys. The motor is a MONSTER.

Makes sense...a big motor though. Nice set up for navigating inlets and rips.

the problem goes deeper with the 350, it's not weight because i have a 670 lb 30" vrod on my 05' 23' classic. i could currently easily get the extra 100 HP with absolutely zero weight penalty. for that matter, same case for the 400R. I can still go up the 150 HP easily with no weight penalty. and i will post some pics once i learn how, but my vintage handles the weight of this motor perfectly. no draining issues, scuppers at waterline, etc. unless 2 guys in the back. at rest, she's perfect. best part of all, for me anyway, i already have all of the plug and play smartcraft DTS and guages, rigging, so any of theses motors are simply bolt and go, just plug and play with existing rigging.
the curve ball is the new V8s. they only go to 300 HP "right now"...... and you lose about 60 lbs comparing apples to apples, 30" leg vs 30" leg. so would you get the new 300, pick up extra 2 cylinders for torque, while dropping 60 pounds? or in my case, stay with the same I6 with a blower, same weight, same torque curve, which currently is descent, but would be nicer to have more coming out the hole or in a seaway, as sometimes i steadily work the throttle to maintain clip, but yet you go up 100 HP with the 350.. so in my case, only because i am an existing verado setup, the 350 mainly benefits because i can go up maybe 2" in screw, i will have to, so i can still hit 6200 rpm. therefore you will definitely see increase in cruise speed and top speed. i'm thinking 3-5 mph across the board. but with the new 300, from what i have already ready on THT through published reports, you won't be that far behind with the new 300, and have the V8 torque, and "adaptive speed control" to compliment that torque , so no more on and off the throttle in a seaway, just set rpm and she maintains throttle herself, even if surfing down a swell! very cool technology, so what i am saying is if you want 350 hp, (which i do badly, even the 400R would be , even comes 30" shaft, but warranty sucks and must run 91 or better octane to get the 400 out) it might be better to chill out and see what merc brings out later this year. they promised 3 big product reveals, so far we have seen 2. i have a feeling the 3rd release will make the current 350 and 400 I6 platform obsolete, as many experts seem to agree the new platform has plenty "room for simple tweaks" to make for some mind blowing HP/power to weight ratios in the very near future. So i would kind of chill in the easy chair and get some popcorn because i think by the first of the year were going to see 400+ around 600lbs, on regular marina fuel, 5-6 years warranty, even with a 30" shaft single. SICK..!!!

I know the hull extends back, but back in the day (crap, does saying that make old?) we used to call those "euro platforms", and I guess I still got the mind-set to think of them as platforms.

Tim, you look at the left side of that pic of Frank Brown's place, and go up and over the embankment, 75' across PGA Blvd, and down the opposite embankment, and that was the marina I used to manage, Waterway Marina. When Frank let go of his SeaCraft dealership status, we picked up SeaCraft as one of our lines of boats we sold.

And so began my love of SeaCrafts.

Fr. Frank-My dad was good friends will Bill Soverel who built his sailboats on the same property as Waterway Marina. They sailed a Soverel 48 to Annapolis for the boat show around 1980. We made a Bahamas run in Bill's personal 48 (hull#8) original known as Cavu and was renamed Tenatious.

Soverel bought Waterway Marina in late 1983, right after Fisher Coachworks bought Rybovich/Spencer which itself had purchased Soverel Yachts immediately prior. The plan at the time was to move all Soverel construction to the site, instead of the split production they had prior to that. To do that they tore down the Waterway Marina storage barn and then built a restaurant over part of the site.

I ended up being moved from GM at Waterway to Dockmaster at Rybovich in West Palm to begin closing the in-out storage operations at Rybovich Marina because the Fisher family wanted to build a condominium on the site. Once I did that, I had worked myself out of a job, as the Dockmaster at Spencer had been with Rybovich for 20 years.

Rybovich/Spencer ended up being sold again back to the Rybovich family in late 1984, which has since reorganized a few times, but the Rybovich family is still involved.

My grandfather was a partner with Tommy Rybovich after WWII in real estate development in the South Palm Beach and Lake Worth area, including owning Lake Worth Yacht Basin at Dixie Highway and the Palm Beach Canal, which was torn down to make way for the expanded spillway and locks in the early 1970's.

Small world, isn't it?

Got too good of a deal to pass up.

You guys are dredging up some fond memories of old North Palm Beach County. I remember hauling the family sailboat at "Spenders" (the tongue in cheek nickname of Spencers, because, well, I guess that's obvious, huh?) in the late 70's. Those were the days when Riviera Beach had lots of Crackers, but before crack took over the town. From about '84 to '88 we kept our boat at what we called "Soveral Marina," before all the fancy shops, and the big mall further west on PGA. Father Frank, did you ever pop into "The Bloody Duck" on US1 just north of PGA? I did once, and felt pretty good about getting outta there in one piece!

Oh, and wrecked03, sorry for the thread hijack. That's some serious hardware you've got bolted on back there... certainly should get you going! Good luck, looking forward to hearing how she runs once dialed in.

Not a problem. Can't wait to get her out in the next week or two.

Yup. Many times. Before I got busted in '78 and went to prison, (long before I worked at Waterway) I was a probate for the Lake Worth chapter of Z-Squad, which was a feeder club to the Outlaws.
The Bloody Duck back then was kind of home for The Freaks MC, before they were absorbed by the Hells Angels in Florida, and moved to the Tampa area.

I'm VERY glad I went to prison. Of the 9 members of the Lake Worth chapter, within 4 years after my arrest, 7 were dead, and they all died violently.

The other "survivor" who was also a probate joined the Army to avoid getting arrested, and he, too, became a Christian and eventually a Baptist pastor after 20 years in the Army.

Wrecked,
Excellent Buy... I have a 72 potter Tsunami with a 350 V ROD... and i friggin love the power... The weight is the same from 225 V rod all the way up to the 350... The 350 racing is a little different but i think only 20 lbs...

Excellent Score and i love the white... just got done repainting mine from Black to white last month...

Robert

performance numbers yet?

CaptainDH,

I spent considerable time getting the engine height and prop set good... I am running a Powertech OFS 4 blade 18.5 pitch with some extra cup... With the windscreen and full canvas enclosure... I Get

32 mph at 4000 RPM burning about 12 gallons an hour
54 mph at 6450 RPM burning close to 40 gallons an hour

I did not see a huge improvement from the 300 zuke to the 350 V-Rod...
2mph at cruise and 5 mph top end.


The next engine will for sure be the 300 Mercury V8 at 528 lbs that has to make a difference... my 350 weights right in at 670 lbs.

If u need anything else feel free to PM me..
Robert

totally agree robert, only i would be in for the vrod version which takes weight to a little over 600 lbs. my current 250 vrod is 670 lbs as stated.
i think the AMS would be worth the extra 60 lbs. also, phase 3 was promised this year. could be the current 350 like you have now be based off the new V8 platform... either way, plan is to run the current 250 until the time comes..

Awesome input. I picked up a loaner prop today. Starting with a rev 4 19 pitch. We will see. I am mainly wanting better economy than the old OX 66.

Took her out today as a shake down. Motor was too deep. Going to raise her up on Saturday. Go try again on Sunday. Just testing today we saw 39 kts at 5,300 rpm. Get the motor height right and I think the 19p rev 4 will be pretty close.

ah, the bloody duck. went there in 1980, when I first moved to Florida. Got to be friends with one of the girls, but then met my second wife and decided it wouldn't be a good idea to keep going there. Going outside to the restroom was always an adventure.

6200-6300 seems to be the recommended sweet spot for the Vrod crowd and unless she is way too deep I don't see you gaining 900 rpms. You're on the right road though as motor height needs to right first. The only time it will differ is if you go to a different diameter prop or to a 3 blade which I wouldn't recommend.

The Rev 4 is a great prop for bracketed hulls as the extra lift really helps counteract the reduction in running surface. Keep us updated.

bmajvi-Our family's Morgan sailboat was at the Lake Park Marina. We hauled the boat out at Cracker Boy where I was first introduced to sanding bottom paint with a cheap 3m breather mask....Spencer's was uptown!

yep......I see 41 knots with my 250 Vrod. we're missing 1000 turns here somewhere. get the turns we should be seeing aleast 46-47 knots.

We got an injector fault. Took it in, one of the pigtails was chaffed causing the injectors to all pulse at 100%. Going to pick it up tomorrow. That was the issue with the rpm, not the prop and height. Was down a cylinder, and the others were super rich. Thursday I'll get to try again.

zoom zoom, i'm all ears!!
"reliable rumors" indicate the V8 version of 350 is right around the corner, debuting in Lauderdale end of this month... OH BOY.....

The rumor I heard is a V 10 is in the works that's making 400 HP. Pretty reliable source. We shall see.

Rumor has it there will be a nine month waiting list..........

The big V rods are on a long back order right now. I wouldn't be shocked at all.

Any Update CAPTAIN on some numbers now that you have some seat time??