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bgreene 07-23-2020 09:19 AM

Question for K MOOSE
 
With the bulkhead extended back......did it affect the boat's balance & performance, and if so, how did you adjust to get it just right ?

Thanks in advance

kmoose 07-27-2020 06:50 AM

Folks get way too wrapped up with CG on a 23’ foot boat. First, Tsunami configuration is already weight forward compared to a CC so my mod didn’t impact weight shift that much compared to the addition of the bracket. The fuel tank was moved forward slightly but fuel weight isn’t static so it varies throughout the day. The biggest weight distribution factor on a small boat is trip loading (ice, gear, people, etc.). This is why I left the port deck clear to place my 250qt cooler anywhere it needs to be to compensate the days particular load. People load is the biggest factor that can be easily adjusted by where they sit or stand while running. Any other weight issue can be adjusted withe the tabs. Again, fixating on static CG on an empty 23’ narrow hull is the least of considerations unless you are hanging too much weight on the stern causing deck draining issues.

bgreene 07-27-2020 06:48 PM

I believe yours the only I’ve seen with bulkhead pushed back so it’s interesting....and sure looks good.

Snookerd 07-27-2020 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmoose (Post 268632)
Folks get way too wrapped up with CG on a 23’ foot boat.

My favorite quote on here is “all of this for just a boat ride”! If I had an extra hour for every post I’ve had on here in the last 18 years, I would be approaching an extra year of boating. Hi my name is Snookerd, and I’m an addict.

Saying people are too wrapped up on CG on a 23ft SeaCraft On CSC.com with over 65 thousand posts on the topic of performance, mods, and repairs on a website dedicated to people with the greatest amount of OCD in the world tied to these boats is like going to Lynchburg, TN., Home of Jack Daniels and telling the folks of their town that filtering the distilled mash through 10 ft stacks of sugar, maple, and ground charcoal aka the “Lincoln County Process” is unnecessary.

I agree that CG can be a non-issue on our Sceptres, Tsunamis, and 20 Seafaris. Those dang center consoles And 25 Seafaris are the biggest culprits of CG differences!

kmoose 07-28-2020 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snookerd (Post 268660)
My favorite quote on here is “all of this for just a boat ride”! If I had an extra hour for every post I’ve had on here in the last 18 years, I would be approaching an extra year of boating. Hi my name is Snookerd, and I’m an addict.

Saying people are too wrapped up on CG on a 23ft SeaCraft On CSC.com with over 65 thousand posts on the topic of performance, mods, and repairs on a website dedicated to people with the greatest amount of OCD in the world tied to these boats is like going to Lynchburg, TN., Home of Jack Daniels and telling the folks of their town that filtering the distilled mash through 10 ft stacks of sugar, maple, and ground charcoal aka the “Lincoln County Process” is unnecessary.

I agree that CG can be a non-issue on our Sceptres, Tsunamis, and 20 Seafaris. Those dang center consoles And 25 Seafaris are the biggest culprits of CG differences!

I know it's a focal point for many and understand it can rub some feathers the wrong way but for me it is such a fluid point regardless of how much science goes into it on a small boat. Too many times I have seen CG concerns dominate how someone wants to lay out a re-build leading them to compromise unnecessarily.

I do agree that CCs and 25 Seafaris require extra consideration and that is one of the reasons I like the Sceptre/Tsunami platform so much.

cdavisdb 07-28-2020 04:30 PM

CG, CG, CG, Sometimes over-emphasized, but not always. I'd disagree on the 20 seafari CG being a non-issue. Put too much weight in the stern, bracket an outboard, etc and that boat will fall off a plane at 15 kts+. In a little boat, that REALLY makes a difference when its rough. That holds even if you load it heavy forward (personal experience)

Mostly Moose is right. Most boats, loaded so they are close to a good CG, and they will perform just great. Even the 25 Seafari, which is sensitive to CG, performs just fine when the CG is off. It just performs much better if the CG is right.

Snookerd 07-28-2020 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cdavisdb (Post 268677)
fall off a plane at 15 kts+. In a little boat, that REALLY makes a difference when its rough. That holds even if you load it heavy forward (personal experience)

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmoose (Post 268673)
Too many times I have seen CG concerns dominate how someone wants to lay out a re-build leading them to compromise unnecessarily.



Well said Connor and Ken....there is no replacement for experience.

bgreene 08-02-2020 05:07 PM

K Moose ....did you add custom cushions inside the cuddy given the extra room you created ?
Pics of interest if you’re inclined ....

Spidercrab 08-02-2020 06:35 PM

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mr greenjeans mr & mrs moose did a bang up job on dare statesroom very roomy an comfie

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bye sam

gofastsandman 08-02-2020 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmoose (Post 268632)
Folks get way too wrapped up with CG on a 23’ foot boat. First, Tsunami configuration is already weight forward compared to a CC so my mod didn’t impact weight shift that much compared to the addition of the bracket. The fuel tank was moved forward slightly but fuel weight isn’t static so it varies throughout the day. The biggest weight distribution factor on a small boat is trip loading (ice, gear, people, etc.). This is why I left the port deck clear to place my 250qt cooler anywhere it needs to be to compensate the days particular load. People load is the biggest factor that can be easily adjusted by where they sit or stand while running. Any other weight issue can be adjusted withe the tabs. Again, fixating on static CG on an empty 23’ narrow hull is the least of considerations unless you are hanging too much weight on the stern causing deck draining issues.

You nailed it for your boat!

kmoose 08-03-2020 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spidercrab (Post 268766)
mr greenjeans mr & mrs moose did a bang up job on dare statesroom very roomy an comfie

Attachment 22070

bye sam

Glad you kept the ceiling mirrors out of the shot. :)

bgreene 08-03-2020 08:36 PM

Resident goof ball Mr Crab.....I’m sure the cuddy looks nice

Spidercrab 08-03-2020 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 268785)
Resident goof ball Mr Crab.....I’m sure the cuddy looks nice

mr greenjeans someday u figurie it owt

bgreene 08-04-2020 03:42 PM

I’m thinking cuddy extension KMoose achieved allows room for comfortable over nighter.

gofastsandman 08-04-2020 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmoose (Post 268673)
I know it's a focal point for many and understand it can rub some feathers the wrong way but for me it is such a fluid point regardless of how much science goes into it on a small boat. Too many times I have seen CG concerns dominate how someone wants to lay out a re-build leading them to compromise unnecessarily.

I do agree that CCs and 25 Seafaris require extra consideration and that is one of the reasons I like the Sceptre/Tsunami platform so much.


The beauty of this place is the imagineering.

strick 08-04-2020 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by gofastsandman (Post 268791)
The beauty of this place is the imagineering.

It is very close to the mathematics lol

Strick

kmoose 08-05-2020 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gofastsandman (Post 268791)
The beauty of this place is the imagineering.

Funny you said that, I just imagined having a Tsunami that didn't look like a bulldog with an underbite...... and then POOF!

kmoose 08-05-2020 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 268789)
I’m thinking cuddy extension KMoose achieved allows room for comfortable over nighter.

Ehhh, not really as I don't have a hatch and even if I did I would still rather sleep on deck. Saying the boat has a cabin is quite a stretch even with mine being extended there is zero head room for someone of my size. There is a couple of times I have seen folks trying to retreat into it but it's hot in there and you're one fart away from certain death.

gofastsandman 08-05-2020 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmoose (Post 268795)
Funny you said that, I just imagined having a Tsunami that didn't look like a bulldog with an underbite...... and then POOF!

You have a good eye.


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