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striper56 03-27-2021 05:08 PM

Battery cables
 
I am moving my batteries and need to lengthen the cables from 11 feet to 21 feet. I have a DF250 AP Suzuki. What size cable should I use?

Thanks

caper 03-27-2021 08:55 PM

2/0

striper56 03-29-2021 09:24 AM

Just for my own knowledge why such a big jump in wire size? I currently have what looks like #2 wire. The wire does not have numbers on it just the letters SEIWA and is not tin coated. Will the 2- 2/0 wires fit thru the rubber grommet on the motor?

Thanks

Old'sCool 03-29-2021 10:44 AM

Genuinedealz is great to deal with and has a calculator on their site.

uncleboo 03-29-2021 01:07 PM

The longer you run, the heavier the wire.

kmoose 03-29-2021 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by striper56 (Post 271240)
Just for my own knowledge why such a big jump in wire size? I currently have what looks like #2 wire. The wire does not have numbers on it just the letters SEIWA and is not tin coated. Will the 2- 2/0 wires fit thru the rubber grommet on the motor?

Thanks

On a 20' run 2/0 tinned copper is good to 150 amps. Find out what your starter requires and I will bet 150 amps is marginal.

Why are we putting batteries 21 feet away from the motor?

striper56 03-29-2021 04:09 PM

I looked at the starter and didn't see any info on how many amps it draws. I went on line and couldn't find a definite answer. I'll keep looking.

I am moving my batteries forward to the storage area between the seats on my Sceptre because every time I get on the boat a have to put my scupper plugs in. I had the batteries in the stern about 12" forward of the transom when I had my Yamaha with no issues. Now with the extra weight of the Suzuki it's an issue.

I might be able to cut a foot or two off the length of cables if I run them under the deck over the top of the fuel tank.

erebus 03-29-2021 08:27 PM

Blue Sea Systems circuit wizard.
http://circuitwizard.bluesea.com/#

Very helpful.
Need to have amp load of the circuit and the length of the conductor in both runs (out and back).
A 150 amp circuit running 40' (20 feet out and back) would require a 4/0 wire. :eek:
That seems excessive to me considering the starter is a very intermittent draw.
Might be better to find the amperage of the alternator and upsize from there.
I think I used 2GA on my Sceptre with a 225 2012 ETEC when I moved the batteries to midships from the stern. Only about a 10' run though (each way) and my alternator is rated for 55 amps.
Circuit wizard says I need a 4GA for a 55 amp alternator. So upping it to 2GA gives me some wiggle room. (wizard recommends 0GA for 150 amps)
Starts fast and has had no issues for many seasons. (I think the ETEC came with 10' of 6GA for the factory battery cables.)
Just my .02 cents USD.

striper56 03-30-2021 07:59 AM

I spent more time on the www looking for the amp draw of the starter with no luck. Any suggestions on where I might find this info.

kmoose 03-30-2021 03:57 PM

I searched for you and found a couple of people that checked current draw with an amp meter loop. On a 5.7 Mercruiser it was 180-200. The consensus on outboards seemed mostly in the 150 range or a little less.

striper56 03-30-2021 07:06 PM

Thanks everyone for the information. It looks like the 2/0 wire is the way to go. One last thought could I run the 2/0 to a block on the transom then switch it to a #1 or 1/0? I think the 2/0 will be a bitch to get through the harness.

I found a guy with the same motor who is willing to do the amp test this weekend. I will report back the results.

Thanks

erebus 03-30-2021 10:17 PM

You can run the 2/0 to a block on the transom and then switch over to the factory outboard battery cables. Very standard install.
I used one of these in the transom with a 3/8 stud:
https://dh778tpvmt77t.cloudfront.net...-PowerPost.png

https://www.bluesea.com/products/cat...Dual_PowerPost

I looked on my Sceptre today and I guess I did end up using 1/0 from the batteries to the transom. Oh well, I thought I had used smaller stuff.
Ran the OEM Evinrude cables through the rigging tube and hooked them up to the power posts.
Engine has a dedicated battery. Used an Automatic Charging Relay to charge the house battery. Batteries are under the floor by the helm.

Old'sCool 03-31-2021 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by striper56 (Post 271264)
Thanks everyone for the information. It looks like the 2/0 wire is the way to go. One last thought could I run the 2/0 to a block on the transom then switch it to a #1 or 1/0? I think the 2/0 will be a bitch to get through the harness.

I found a guy with the same motor who is willing to do the amp test this weekend. I will report back the results.

Thanks

You need to calculate the load. What you're suggesting will negate the larger wiring on the longest run.

Surfnski 04-06-2021 01:06 PM

I wouldn't try running 2/0 through the rigging tube, splice lugs at the transom is the way to go. Another thing to consider is shortening the factory leads if you have a large amount of excess coiled up at the transom.

kmoose 04-06-2021 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old'sCool (Post 271274)
You need to calculate the load. What you're suggesting will negate the larger wiring on the longest run.

Actually it will not. As long as the smaller tap cable is on the load side you will negate the majority of the line loss in the 2/0 running from the front to the connection point at the transom. I also agree that ridding any excess coiled wire from the motor feed is best. Wire coils are chokes (resistors) and add to the load.


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