Which rides better - very few know !
 

Which rides better in typical ocean chop:
1. 23’ Sceptre outboard
2. Orig Mos 21’ cuddy

I wrote few would know because seems very few have experience in original 21.

BG - what have you learned in the 15 years you've been asking this same question?

I don’t recall if I’ve asked this specific question but if it’s a repeat, I don’t believe it’s a felony offense . Relax

Apparently nothing other than he can bait people into responding to variations on an incessant and pointless theme. Kinda like "Which is better at xxxx, Ford or Chevy?" :D

Baited into a theme - good fishing reference .
Maybe pointless boat comparison to you but that’s ok, you’ll survive

Hehe, I can tell you in the last 15 years through my 40's & 50's all was good ! Now 60's the check engine light comes on telling all of us, better hurry up. Starting to run out of calendar heading for that unknown expiration date ! :(

Someday you will be just a Snapshot in the family album 🙏

The one thing that is fair ......is we all age and die.
What's not fair is what can take us early, but that's life.

Now how does a 23 ride compare the 21, to the 25, to the 27 :)

My vote is for a Bayliner or flat bottom Boston Whaler

With all due respect bgreene, it sounds like you probably already have an opinion about the ride quality of the different models, huh? Why not fold in modern stepped hulls too? How about cats? Bottom line (for me) is that people have different boats, with different opinions about their pros and cons... I'm good with that, and don't feel the need to argue or try to convince others on the internet. Have a nice day!

I go on vacation to Vt. for a week and Now I have to stop the car.
Don't make me stop the car!

K Moose:
21 MY ASS!

Denny:
On all of the Bahama`s crossings, the 21 led the way and everyone
begged them to slow down.

I've been on Terry`s 21 and I seem to recall posting about
the Magic Carpet Ride. Soooooo soft.

I hope you pulled way over when you stopped the car to post ! :)

Based on your reply ..I’d be inclined to believe that original 21’ rides better in chop than a 23’ !
Kind of crazy why that hull didn’t become widely used afterwards.

Potter opted for curb appeal, stylish and functionable yes...

The rest is history ! Tic toc the clock is running out......

Remember looking at a 21 that was in the neighborhood years ago between selling my 20 and getting my 23’. I remember thinking how much deeper the step was on the 21(it looked like 3 1/2” compared to the 2” on the 20 & 23) and wondered why they changed it? At the time I just figured the had evolved didn’t think of it as a compromise.

Mr. Moesly himself was asked the same question after riding on a 23. His answer was something like this. A bigger boat should ride better than a small one. I still like the 21.

And NO I am not going to shoot a video of the 21 busting thru 4 foot chop off a 10 foot wave...LOL

Wasn't there talk of someone popping a mold from one of the 21's? That lose traction?

Yes but status unknown .
Also unknown is how many of those 21’s still exist.

Matt - you’re not in the matrix sir - and that was just a movie 🍿

Carl said the 23 could have been better. Always the gentleman.

The steps have a completely different height and radius.
As always, with a Moesly design, you can slide a straight edge
from bow to stern and it will remain in contact with the steps, keel, and chine.

Take a bow Carl!

Cheers,
gfs

Matt who ??

Oops posted in wrong section.

So how many of those hulls speculated to still exist ?
I believe the most recent guess was 4-8

Carl’s answer is the truth behind the magic…. The 21 IS the “bigger” boat of the two. The 23 is just a little longer…. Not bigger.

There is a picture in a thread from awhile ago that had the 21 and the 23 side by side from the rear. Eye opening. Hope somebody can find and post it.

That was the famous 21 My ASS K Moose quote.

The first time I saw Skip n Carla`s 21, I just about fell over.

I just sat down and looked at her bottom for about 20 minnows.

You could drop my 20 inside and it would disappear.

The 21 was somewhat designed for the govt. contract.
Carl got the contract and the rest is history.
Most went to Vietnam.

Here you go. From the 2013 gathering.

Great pics, but, the one I'm talking about was from before then. They were side by side anchored. The pic was taken from about 15-20 feet away straight at the transoms.

I know the pic you are thinking of.
Welly on the sandbar.

This might show a little better the size...

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That's the one! Hey, Sandy, saw this sometime back and wanted to share.
http://www.classicseacraft.com/commu...1&d=1630684993

I can't recall ever actually laying eyes on a Moesly, but the Moesly SeaCraft pages accessed from the CSC home page are chock full of great info. For those of us used to looking at our 23's on a trailer, these pics pretty well illustrate the difference in the hull running surfaces.

Haha.

When I was a tot, I could not say you're welcome.
I said Welly instead.

See how much fun these posts are even though my thread a “ repeat” on subject.

Believe past info suggested only around 10 of these hulls known to still exist ?

The 21 is like a knife up front! The 25 is a knife all the way…

These threds about which hulls ride better then the other are basically blonde vs brunette stuff...you will get diff opinions... like all ass**les they are different...so heres mine for what it's worth...and I've been on all of them....I never liked the 25 due to it's lateral instability while up on plane...a boat should not list when peopple are moving about...why do you think Big Fluke chopped his all up trying to make it ride different? so the 25 is my least favorite seacraft out of all of them...the 21 Is a great riding hull and rides much like the 23...It is my opinion that the best riding seacrafts were the 23cc and the 20 cc...

strick

Strick, I'm gonna differ just a bit:
Because of the forward cg and weight difference, and how those affect the ride in a moderate to heavy chop, I'm gonna go with the 23' Savage and the 27' SeaMaster.

The 27' SeaMaster rides better than most 33'-35' offshore boats and significantly better than even the Tracker 32' SeaCraft.

Honorable mention to the 18' Center Console which has a better ride in a chop than the 20 SF and the 20' Seafari (Both of which I love.) Because of the heavy boat traffic here in Choctawhatchee Bay, the average Saturday or Sunday inshore conditions is always a moderate to heavy chop from May through September. Boat wakes.

Downside of the 18' is a propensity to get airborne offshore at anything over 20 kts in 2' seas or higher if the wave period is less than 5 seconds.

Here for more 27 anecdotes...

Interesting. I'm surprised. My fav, of course, is the 25 Seafari. For running the Gulf Stream, there is nothing like it. Infinitely better than the 20 Seafari and modestly better ride than a perfectly set up 23 Septre(Kmoose's boat)as well as much dryer. Hardly notice chop, most of the time. She does lean, no question, but I got used to that real fast. Tabs take care of it nicely. Inexperienced passengers are another matter. In a sharp turn, the 25 banks like a jet fighter, can scare the pants off the unsuspecting. I warn people.

I've run with 30-32 Contender type center consoles in modestly rough conditions in the
Gulf Stream and the 25 was staying in the water. The contenders were launching about every 3rd wave. They were standing up, I was sitting down.

Correction never been in a savage or a 27 but I’m sure the 27 is a nice ride but due to shear mass compared to the 23’s it’s no wonder, I could see the savage as being a sweet ride. I’m surprised about the 18 compared to the 20 sf ...blondes vs brunettes again. The 25 was a smooth boat..takes a lot of horse power due to the dead rise..mine felt like a big tractor in the water...just did not like the sensitivity when finally up and going. Yes you could stick your hand out the side and almost touch the water in a steep bank. All great boats that would get the job done. Will also add that the 25 self bailed as well. My feeling was that Potter should have just modified A 23 Hull into a 25 Seafari instead of re designing a new hull. He might have sold more of them.

Strick

Look at the forefoot on the 21! I think that is a big part of the magic.
Also notice how far forward the inner step comes into play.