23 SF Hull Weight Comparison

[peterb]

Quick question for the true Classic Seacraft quiz masters. I have read that a 1978 23' CSC SF hull weighs around 2,700 pounds wheras a 1983 hull weights 3,200 pounds. Can anyone out these verify this,as well as what makes up the difference (I can see the jokes coming)?

Thanks

[Trayder]

Same reason Contender's weighed a few thousand pounds less 2 years ago yet there has been zero change in construction materials or process....Aprox. weights.

I know Contender posted my old boat to weigh in at 3500 lbs dry yet in reality is was over 7500 with low fuel and engines....I know a Yamaha 2 stroke 200 does not weigh more than 1500lbs [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

I Guess my point is I would use the weights as approximations as I do not think they ever took a calibrated load cells and weighed them.

I have been told that the CSY built boats did in fact weigh in heavier beause of a thinkcer lay up scheduale but I have no hard facts there.

BTW- how about hooking a brother up and sending me one of those t-shirts [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[peterb]

I owe you both a shirt and a check. What size shirt???

[Trayder]

I was just busting your ba!!$.... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

an xl would be nice [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[JohnB]

I have some suspicion that boats that were set up for twins, both CSY and Tracker (80s), had more glass in them in some areas than the single engine boats. I don't have any firsthand knowledge on the mosely/potter boats regarding this difference. I put a transducer in a CSY that had twins, and man, was it thick. Thicker than mine, which was a single engine. Also, I believe the gas tanks were bigger and farther forward in the twin boats. I also believe that the CSY and early Trackers probably had more glass in them than any of them. I guess this was balanced by the cheap rigging and cheap caps they used [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]. This may of been only in the ones I saw, but I seriously doubt there is 500 pounds difference. I have had the opportunity to drill holes and survey a couple of them down here in Florida. In particular, in the sides of the hulls, these boats had alot more glass in them than any I have seen.

I am not throwing any stones at anyones boat. I am trying to make an point, that I have seen a fair amount of variation in the thickness of glass, and the quality of workmanship in these boats even within eras. Generally, they were very well made boats, but just because its a XXX era boat, look real close at it, and make no assumptions. I have seen some original glass work in the hatches of some of these that was just awful (like mine), and I have seen some 25 year hatches that were and are perfect. A while back, I looked at a 20f early 70's SF, and it was VERY thin in the sides. As a matter of fact, the boat seem very light for some reason????

Back to the point, don't make any assumptions based on era, look closely at them. I have seen some scarey repairs on some of these older boats, look closely. Most of the time, from what I see on this site, when you guys get done with them, they are much better than they were when new. To be honest though, most of the time, alot of repairs I see are pure junk, especially on the transoms.

Sorry, didn't mean to ramble, but I have wondered about this. Anyone ever actually weigh there boat?

[ScottM]

JohnB,
I'd have to agree with you on the post-Potter boats having more glass for twin setups. (Disclaimer - I'm not saying the Potter boats didn't as well, but I can only speak to what I know.) My father's '82 Sceptre was made by SeaCraft Industries, it came from the factory rigged for twins (200 Johnsons) and the boat is built like a brick sh!thouse. Even after 23 years, it's in incredibly good shape for having no major repairs or restoration work. As far as weight goes, my father has a brochure from '81 that states the 23 Sceptre weighs 3200 or 3300lbs, whereas the earlier boats state less weight. I agree with Trayder about the weights being estimated, however I honestly believe my father's boat to be all of 3200lbs based on the amount of glass in this boat and the the way it was configured for power.

Regarding quality and workmanship, let's face it, there were "Friday afternoon" boats and "Monday morning" boats, even our beloved SeaCrafts [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img].

[Trayder]

I do not think there was a diffence between boats set up for twins or a single, many times this was not determained until the hull made it to the dealers for prep.

[lost2a6]

JohnB,
I'd have to agree with you on the post-Potter boats having more glass for twin setups. (Disclaimer - I'm not saying the Potter boats didn't as well, but I can only speak to what I know.) My father's '82 Sceptre was made by SeaCraft Industries, it came from the factory rigged for twins (200 Johnsons) and the boat is built like a brick sh!thouse. Even after 23 years, it's in incredibly good shape for having no major repairs or restoration work. As far as weight goes, my father has a brochure from '81 that states the 23 Sceptre weighs 3200 or 3300lbs, whereas the earlier boats state less weight. I agree with Trayder about the weights being estimated, however I honestly believe my father's boat to be all of 3200lbs based on the amount of glass in this boat and the the way it was configured for power.

Regarding quality and workmanship, let's face it, there were "Friday afternoon" boats and "Monday morning" boats, even our beloved SeaCrafts [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img].

I'll have to agree with johnb and Scott as well. I have an 82 Sceptre and also the 78 Seavette. The 82 is built like a brick sh$thouse. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] It's almost to the point that it has too much glass. The boat is soo heavy that in extremely rough seas, it tends to want to go through the wave rather than over them. It stays planted in the water, and makes for a very smooth ride. I have never ventilated the prop from a wave. The problem with my 82 is it sits slightly bow heavy with the single engine even on the bracket. I don't think that the Potter Sceptre's did this. I've had two Potter boats, a 77 20ft Sceptre and now the 78 Seavette. My 82 seems to have more glass than my Potter boats but the craftsmanship on my Potter seems to be better than the 82.

[gss036]

I have a Mercury 88-128 Boathouse Bulletin for my 1989 SeaCraft 23WA that was molded for twin setup and they list the net hull weight of 3040 lbs. THe bulletin does not specify twin engine though. I had my choice of single or twin cutout when I bought my boat new. Centerline is listed as 23'5". I guess the weights are approxmite? [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]