cockpit scuppers 20 SF20

[Mark]

It has nothing to do with wet foam. I have a friend with a 2002 "Lefty Kreh Edition" 20' Master Anger that has had the same problem that my 1971 did. He has both of us stand on the bow at the end of the day so the soapy water from washing the boat will drain out. The floor is simply too close to sea level.

( I have no idea what the situation is like in the non-center console models. All that structure forward could make a great deal of difference)

If you don't want to raise the floor, invest in a good pair of neoprene booties. Moving the scuppers around here and there does not fundamentally change the relation of the floor to the ambient water level. Numerous posts on here speak of people putting the plugs in their scuppers when they board the boat and removing them when they tie back up to the dock. Is that really an acceptable proceedure on a rough sloppy day?

I have no burden for people to raise their floors. I'm merely suggesting a way to once and for all solve the fact that these are not inherenly a very self bailing boat. If someone prefers to leave the floor at the original height, more power to them. I've had two of these boats now, got sick of that situation, and chose to change it even though the floor in my boat was perfectly solid.

[ November 06, 2003, 08:49 PM: Message edited by: Mark ]

[strick]

Mark... I've thought about the scupper problem over and over again. I'm adding a large flotation bracket to my boat so hopfully that will take care of the problem. I do plan on filling in the factory scuppers and putting in my own thru the transom scuppers. Raising the whole deck would be a major PIA if I dont need to. It is rock solid I really dont want to open that can of worms if I dont have to. I plan on doing a test float after the new bracket and engines are bolted back on and then scupper problem will be addressed.

Strick

[Mark]

Strick,

I have no experience on this issue with anything other than the 18' (1977 model) and 20' (1971 edition) center consoles - both of which would flood if people stood in their stern with the plugs removed.

I would suspect that a floatation bracket would solve this problem and if I had a 23', that would be on my shopping list. However, I currently have a 20'CC, and while it is not complete yet, the floor is 2.25" higher than it used to be which should solve the self-bailing (or rather the lack thereof) and the deck now drains out through two scuppers in the transom instead of those interesting holes throught the bottom of the hull.

I agree that raising the stringers/floor is not a minor undertaking but it was the single most important thing I wanted changed on the boat. I was sick of yelling to a friend in the boat while underway to "quick, pull the plugs" when a wave would come in. That issue is hopefully behind me now. In addition, I didn't much like the fact that two people (or even one) couldn't fish in the stern without the plugs being in the scuppers. That simply wasn't acceptable from my perspective. I am having the entire boat redone and am trying to address every concievable item that I felt needed changing: the floor was the top of the list, but the list goes well beyond that [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

[ November 07, 2003, 10:05 AM: Message edited by: Mark ]

[TUGBOAT]

You know , I got My Mind work'n And THAT IS A DANGEROUS thing to Happen ! Just ask any FISH !!
Could there be a mid line back flo valve of some sorts put into the drain tube ? Its 1.5" so theres got to a anti-back flow valve avalable . Kinda like for aquariums and such. Hmm time to Surf the ol NET !That would be "2" scuppers in a way .simple instalation (on one side)
Just a thought to Ponder !
Scream'n reels'
"TUG" [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]

[NAHIM]

Strick,

I have a 73" 20ft with a 200 Merc mounted on the flotation b-bracket. Two adults standing in the transom, water still comes in. It comes with the territory I had a 21 Paramount and same thing not as bad. Solution plug them up and let the water fall into the floor livewell. Oh and I raised the floor two inches too. There has to be something designed to avoid having yellowstone park in the boat( water shooting up 30 feet in the air).

[FELLOW-SHIP]

OK GUYS
I went to Home Depo and bought the necessary supplies to solve the scupper problems today. This new and totally different approach will cost you NOT $19.95 FOR ONE NOT EVEN $19.95 FOR BOTH SCUPPERS. MATTER OF FACT IT WILL NOT EVEN COST YOU 9.95 FOR BOTH NOT EVEN 4.99 FOR BOTH THIS NEW AND REVOLUTION PRODUCT WILL ONLY COST YOU LESS THAT $1.00 AND THAT IT TO FIX BOTH SCUPPERS. YES FRIENDS LESS THAN JUST ONE DOLLAR TO DO BOTH SCUPPERS. So before you start tearing out and drilling out big holes in your transom “PLEASE WAIT” for my Bata testing this weekend (weather permitting) to test and then tell you of this great product soon to be available for YOU. At this time I will not disclose the method nor materials in this exciting and dynamic fix to wet feet. I personally was so excited of this new product that, I must say I barely could sleep last night I toss and turn all nigh thinking of all the great things that can be accomplished by using this new and wonderful product.
I will say that I do have a name for it and at this time I will disclose just this bit of information to you. As I have pondered this problem for many countless hours one name kept coming up so I have decided to go with it.
The name of the new scupper fix it that has baffled all SeaCaft owners for the last 30 plus Years will be calllllllllllllllled “”” T H E V O R T E X ””” Yes friends “THE VORTEX” will be coming to you. Just think never ever, yes never ever having wet feet again.
Founder of ‘THE VORTEX”
FellowShip [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img]

[abl1111]

Sounds like something to do w/ a toilet bowl ??? The vortex... I do get a 'flushing vibe' form this word...

Fellowship, if you truly solve this, as simply as you say, I will call up your local beer distributor and gladly pay for a case of whatever ale you're drinking !!! I promise !

So, there's a little more incentive for you !!!

[Mark]

Fellow-Ship,

From the sounds of your post, you've been watching a few late night TV commercials lately.

Remember, when the solution has been finalized and it is ready for market, pitch the following: "not available in stores, have your credit card ready, and while supplies last" [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

[John R]

Originally posted by abl1111:
Sounds like something to do w/ a toilet bowl ??? The vortex... I do get a 'flushing vibe' form this word...

Fellowship, if you truly solve this, as simply as you say, I will call up your local beer distributor and gladly pay for a case of whatever ale you're drinking !!! I promise !

So, there's a little more incentive for you !!!

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What he's been drinking? I think he's been smoking something! Ha Fellow-ship, is it true that once you do this repair and bring it down to Australia it swirls counter-clockwise??

[abl1111]

John,

It's not beer or smoke - it's resin - from all the fiberglassing I have been doing latel to bring my 23' back to life. $90 for 5 gallons - REAL CHEAP ! Then again, maybe it is as you say ... [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

- And that scupper problem, even though I have never experienced it ( cause I've never used the boat yet ), I know I'm going to hate it. I don't want to deal w/ plugging and unplugging each scupper everytime water is in boat.