Boat porn of a 25 Seafari beasty

[Bigshrimpin]

No Bones - What do you mean by "The inner hull is a hog"? Please explain yourself

I've crawled all over one of these boats in Florida and I was amazed at how large they are . . . The dash is real tall and the top of the windshield was over my head . . . The inside transom box was also less than 1/2 the width of the boat.

I'm interested to hear about the weights and the light bow issues . . . The combo of at least one 454 and an outdrive with a 26 degree transom deadrise seems like there might be issues with weight distribution. It's hard for me to imagine that Mosley's last seacraft design, after years of building champion race boats would be a "Pig", "Hog", "cement truck", etc. Now I'm really curious what you guys heard.

[65Bowrider]

BigShrimpin,

The 25' was designed to be built in conjunction with a new ballast sytem (patented). When Potter built the 25' in the 70's, there were issues understanding the design/ballast concept. Moesly flew in to explain it all. But it was not built with the new ballast system resulting in some issues with the boat's performance. I understand, subsequently, concrete blocks were positioned in the boat to try and balance it out. Moesly's designs were highly technical and when changes are made, it impacts the end result. This is what happened to the 25'.

[doug7488]

For a boat you guys probably never rode in, you sure are spreading some disparaging remarks.
Any boat with a radical deep V and narrow beam such as this is prone to listing, either by weight distribution or wind load. That is what trim tabs are for.
The narrow beam & deep V is precisly why they are offshore boats.
Just look at the video of the monohull racers posted on this site.
As far as weights, I have never come across any & I have been thru my boat pretty thoroughly.
Even if there was, so what?
As far as wind spray, I picked my boat up in Martha's Vinyard in early May. The wind was blowing a solid 20 mph w/
4' rolling in. - no water over the bow or side.
Nice easy ride over to the mainland - That sold me on the boat.
It is MUCH MORE than just a pretty face - the 25' Seafari is a solid performer - whether you know it or not!

[Bigshrimpin]

Thanks Carla - That's very interesting do you have a patent number? I had heard a rumor that Allan Vaitses had built a Hyliner 222 back in the 70's with water compartments for ballast, valves and pumps to distribute or shed the weight. It's an interesting idea. I'm curious how that system in the 25 seafari was designed to work.

[NoBones]

Doug by no means are we bashing your 25 Seafari, if that is what you own. It is just that the boat has ballast issues.
Known FACT !! I refer to ballast weights as Pig weights.
65 Bowrider knows what she is talking about, her dad is
Carl Moesly. I think she clearly stated what the problem is
with proper instructions and design that were not followed
during the building of the 25 Seafari.

The quality of the 25 is still "Classic SeaCraft"

See ya, Ken

[Bigshrimpin]

Oh . . . This thread is getting interesting!!

[doug7488]

I'm still not sure of what is actually being called "ballast issues"
The boat has a fairly short fordeck w/ the helm bulkhead positioned well forward in the boat - if anything, I would think that would make the boat bow heavy - kinda like a Sceptre. However, it is not.
Maybe Carla could post some kind of tech info to shed light on this subject.
Again, the boat planes quickly w/ minimal trim and runs like a raped date thru the whitewater.
Any listing is exagerrated by the high freeboard and relatively high helm position. Nothing a few taps on the trim tabs quickly eliminates.
With these pictures posted, that is (3) different deck configuratons that I have seen so far.
It is intersting to note that even though it appears the yellow boat was trailered - no bottom paint - it has a blistered bottom.

[Bigshrimpin]

Carla - were the 25's ever built with the ballast design? The article from 1968 western boating news has nothing but glowing reveiews about the boat. Coincidentally the daughter of guy in that article Phil Greyshock (old distributor of seacraft) is a client of Strick's.

[strick]

And so the plot thickens....

I posted this before, but when I had the chance to meet Bill Potter a few years ago, he told me the 25 was his favorite SC. He said it rides like a dream

I remember a conversation ScottM and Myself had with Bill Potter at my house a few years ago. He said the 25' hull was a POS.

So how did Mr. Potter really feel about the boat fellas?


I want answers? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwyj78FpYt4



strick

[Snookerd]

Well said Strick .I never get tired of that movie scene. This is just gett'in better and better!