How does the Sceptre shed big water over the bow ?

[pelican]

don't get me wrong:

i run a potter built 23 center console - i can honestly tell you,it's a great riding boat - we've ran it 100nm off the beach - read that as way east ! out in the atlantic off nj - it's a tank...one of the best small boats i've ever ran - being in the marine repair biz,i've ran them all,from mako's to venture's

but,i can tell you with no hesitation,it will NEVER run 23-25kts in a close 5' chop - NEVER !!

my old 31 BERTRAM wouldn't either,and the seacraft,it rides much better than the old BERTRAM...

i've never ran a 21' mosley,but,my experience tells me,this boat will never run over 20kts in a 8'-10' short period chop...

here's a challange:

take me out,in that 8'-10' sea - short period chop - i'll bring my handheld gps and my digital recorder..."i'm from missouri,you're gonna have to show me"...

[cdavisdb]

Wave shape does make a huge difference in how big a wave the boat can run in. My comments re: 3-4 and 5 ft were the conditions I normally hit, Gulf Stream passages to the Bahamas. These waves are generally deep water wind waves on the way to becoming swells, much rougher than swells, but not as bad as what you might find in shallow water running into a big wind.

And yeah, I know the numbers look like pure bullshit, but they aren't.

Connor

[pelican]

Originally Posted by cdavisdb

Wave shape does make a huge difference in how big a wave the boat can run in. My comments re: 3-4 and 5 ft were the conditions I normally hit, Gulf Stream passages to the Bahamas. These waves are generally deep water wind waves on the way to becoming swells, much rougher than swells, but not as bad as what you might find in shallow water running into a big wind.

And yeah, I know the numbers look like pure bullshit, but they aren't.

Connor

running in a 3 second period 5' sea,can you run that speed ? we're talking head sea here,not following sea,or a beam sea ?

that's a 5' wave - steep wave,count 3 and you're on another one...

that's a "close" 5' sea...

again,not being argumentative,i know for a fact,my rig will NEVER run those speeds in those conditions,in a "head sea" - NEVER gonna happen...


direction the boat's traveling in is a huge factor - big beam seas,you're running in the trough - you can run at a pretty good speed,following sea,same deal - tabs up and run...quartering,head sea ? you're never gonna run those speeds in a short period 5' sea.

this is dealing with a head sea:


this is the problem when owners make claims,concerning ride in big seas-long period swells,just like i explained,are much different than a wind driven,close steep chop - read that as a wave with no"back" - i can only give my experience,what i've experienced on my rig,again,a 23 potter built center console,my rig will never run those speeds,in those conditions - never.

if the claim you're making is,you can be seated,comfortably seated,running 18-20kts,not mph,in a 3'-5' close spaced chop - again,conditions i described,i would have to witness that,to believe it...i know my 23 will never do that...

[cdavisdb]

Hmmm. . . close 5 ft chop, say 5 second period, 23-25 knots. I don't think I could take it at 25 knots in my Seafari. 18 knots would work for sure. 20 standing up and not for many miles. 23 maybe, but that's a stretch, would take someone with tougher kidneys than me.

Definition of "short" is a little tricky. Short 5 footers in the Gulf Stream are 5-5.5 second period waves. Make that 4 seconds or less and I would not want to be there. Make it 6 and its almost a piece of cake.

to the last post: Don't think I made such a claim. However, 3-3.5 ft, 2 to 3 second period, straight into it, 18-20 knots, water depth about 20 ft. Done that last month, half the time sitting down. A rough ride, but the seafari will do it and within the limits of my 62 year old kidneys.

I don't think I've ever seen 5 ft of 3 second wave, certainly don't want to.

[pelican]

let me add something here:

yesterday - i fished a local tournament in a client's rig,a 245 everglades powered with twin 200 suzuki's.that rig rides much better than my sea craft - hurts to say that ! but it's true
i made a 22nm run @ 38mph,took just about half an hr to make that run.i seen 50+mph running down the intercoastal - it was a "shot gun start"...there was a few new 25 seacrafts in the event -honda powered,i passed them,running down the intercoastal.there were 3 mabey 4 boats ahead of us.i cleared the inlet and got passed by a fountain with trip verados.one boat was on the same "line" as us,a 34 venture.
sea conditions were a 2'-3' swell,no wind - long spaced,probably 10second...it was a southerly swell,i was running south,directly into it...

in those conditions,just about any boat will run at a good speed...

this is a shot of the garmin 4214 while running down the intercoastal,after i cleared the "traffic"...

there's a little more speed,left to be found in this rig - engines are mounted a little low...

[pelican]

Originally Posted by cdavisdb

Hmmm. . . close 5 ft chop, say 5 second period, 23-25 knots. I don't think I could take it at 25 knots in my Seafari. 18 knots would work for sure. 20 standing up and not for many miles. 23 maybe, but that's a stretch, would take someone with tougher kidneys than me.

Definition of "short" is a little tricky. Short 5 footers in the Gulf Stream are 5-5.5 second period waves. Make that 4 seconds or less and I would not want to be there. Make it 6 and its almost a piece of cake.

what you're saying is,you really can't run those speeds in a short steep chop,like i described,right ?

[cdavisdb]

Pelican,

My statements about wave conditions and speed in my Seafari are pretty specific. You described a case that is much rougher, bears little or no relation to my comments and then:

"what you're saying is,you really can't run those speeds in a short steep chop "

as if I had made such a claim.

You need to chill.

Connor

[pelican]

Originally Posted by bgreene

What's the boat all about ? Where produced ? How's the ride in short steep 3'4's ? Pound?

that's what the gentleman asked - note the words "short" and "steep" ?



this was your reply after you edited it today:

"Since the discussion has gotten beyond Sceptres, I'll descibe a 25 Seafari. Ride is in the same class as the 21. A rare boat, but not nearly as hard to find as the 21. It goes straight into 3-4 in the Gulf Stream with me sitting down and no desire to slow down below my normal cruise of 22-23 knts. At 5 ft, I slow down to 18 knots but still sitting down. I've run with two 30? ft Contender type CCs. They were jumping out of the water every third wave, everybody standing up in the stern, while I'm still sitting down in the middle of the boat. Last trip to Bimini was on the last day of Debbie, wind(on the beam) got up to a solid 25 knts with much higher gusts, seas got up to about 8 ftand breaking hard, lots of heavy spray coming over the bow and not a drop came in the forward hatch. Always felt totally safe and in control. I've run it in fairly large following seas and it acts like it is on rails. By far the best sea boat anywhere near its size that I have ever experienced.

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mr greene,being from new jersey,and also being a client of mine,he's asking about short steep chop,like we have in our area...you made a claim,i "called" you on that claim -no one "needs to chill"...if someone asks a question,they deserve a good usefull accurate answer,not a fairy tale - if you ask a question,you want an accurate answer,right ?
no need to get all bent out of shape...
there's a big difference between YOUR definition of "short",and what would apply to owner's in our area...

and i'm still very doubtfull,your boat's able to run the speeds you claimed,in the conditions you described -i know my 23 wouldn't...


as i typed previous:

boat owners rarely give accurate speed and ride information - their observations are usually very "optomistic"...

[bgreene]

Who's a client of who ?

Interesting read about the 25' Seafarer..... a good rig to keep at a dock, but not likely trailer.

Very interesting discussion - serious fishermen using boats 25' and under know what I mean by the " holy grail " ........ a boat that won't pound easily in 2, 3, and even 4' chop, plus holds together and doesn't leak into cuddy etc.....

That Mosely sounds very interesting - seems to have been I/0 powered. Wonder how that hull would run with a modern 200 such as Opti, Etec, HPDI.....

I'd love to take one of those old Mosely's for a spin off NJ any given day when it's forecast for 2-4' chop and run around. Seafarer too.

[riptide]

I took my Sceptre 70 miles offshore yesterday tuna fishing.On the way home it got a little sporty and we were taking a quartering sea on the port bow.When that chine would hit a wave it would knock your teeth out so I headed straight into them and it made a world of difference.Every once in a while that big one sneaks up on you and your airborne.I was expecting that hard impact upon re entry but it never happened.Boat is amazing in a head sea.We had to zig zag all the way home though. 152 mile round trip burned 65 gal cruising at 26 mph with a 250 Suzuki.These hulls will get you offshore and back and not break the bank.