23' Savage

ocuyler · #1 02-01-2005, 08:43 PM

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They added the goofy bow rail

I'll say...

SeaMaster · #2 02-01-2005, 08:58 PM

How many of these were made? Were they all inboards?

edloh · #3 02-01-2005, 09:59 PM

ok, maybe i can get some help here to solve my dilemma.... have a opportunity to buy a project spectre. however, they don't seem to command a good price compared to the CC after restoration. thus i am thinking about converting it to a 'savage' style. further the ride would be better since the helm would be further back. however, do not quite like the way the inside front turn up. should i just wait for a CC?

Scott · #4 02-02-2005, 12:25 AM

I like the idea of that cuddy for storage ...but I don’t like the boats lines as a result of "bastardizing" the Sceptre. If that fiberglass lip that the windshield mounts to was gone that boat would be really nice , from the side profile would look just like the center console. I know we discussed this before about the gloves boxes up there. I would think that is a great riding hull with the added weight forward.

I don’t like the pulpit rail ...but we all know why that’s there ... Some people pay good money to have them built as such.

Edloh , converting is your choice ... I know up in this area you do see a fair amount of Sceptres as they afford much more protection from the elements ... But a T-top with an enclosure/wings does a good job in that sense ... During the summer when its nice and warm they can come down and you've got a whole lot of room on the boat

Seamaster ... the specs list that hull as available with O/B, I/O or I/B ....
Did you ever get any pics of the Hell's Bay across the lagoon from you??

Dave Hirshberg · #5 02-02-2005, 01:53 PM

Edloh,
Buy a boat based on what you want not what you think you're going to get out of it when you are done. Trust me. You aren't going to make any money when you sell it wheather it a Centerconsole, Savage, or Sceptre. You may break even on materials but forget about labor. I've been in the business a long time and have restored multiple boats. The one in the picture was bought for $1000 with a running motor. Needless to say I had over $15k in it when I sold it not counting the labor. It sold for 12K. I wanted a Sceptre and bought a sceptre because thats what I needed and I don't regret it a bit. In fact I'd buy it back today for what I sold it for if I could. But only because I know how it was restored. The satisfaction of owning a classic comes from the restoration process itself, not the return on investment. Be pre-warned it will likely cost you double what you think it will. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

edloh · #6 02-02-2005, 09:01 PM

Gents,

These are all good comments from Scott, ScottB & That70sBoat. As you can see i am having 'seacraft fever'. Personally i would prefer a CC. (have a 20' wellcraft CC now). however, due to the 'fever & itch', i am thinking of buying it and see how i like a seacraft. that was i would know what to expect from the CC. still pondering......

ScottM · #7 02-02-2005, 07:25 AM

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How many of these were made? Were they all inboards?

Here you go - Production Figures . See Rich's post.

edloh,
I'm not sure the Savage would command the same price as the traditional CC. Most guys want the open bow. The cuddy is nice for storage, but it gets in the way when drift fishing or at anchor. The Savage has always been my personal favorite, but from a pure resale standpoint, I think the CC will always fetch more.

Whereas filling the notched transom of an OB and adding a bracket will for the most part increase the boat's value and appeal, I think cutting up a Sceptre and changing it into a Savage would unduly affect the boat's appeal to the diehards. And as we all know, most classic SC owners or prospective buyers know what they're looking at, so you might be hurting yourself in the long run if you do go the conversion route. Then again, if you plan on keeping the boat for a long time, perhaps it's not that big of a deal.