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martin 07-05-2012 10:52 PM

Here I used there core bedding compound. They recomended Vacuum baggin but I could not do it at this time.. So i just Pressed it in the core and then applied it to the hull. then i took a formica hand roller and Rolled the Dog crap out of it.. it seemed to hold very well...

martin 07-05-2012 11:09 PM

Glassed the Nida core with 1708 Biaxial and another layer of 1.5 oz mat
 
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Glassed over the nida core with bi-axial 1708 and another 1.5 oz mat ,,debating on vacuum baggin the last layer so i can get a better finish and not have to fair as much. or maybe just lay a sheet of sheathing over the wet glass and then peel off after the resin sets up. I then started to glass in the keel and get it ready for the pourable material..

strick 07-06-2012 12:36 AM

Your boat is going to be solid as a rock with that coring in place. I put Balsa in mine and am very happy with how solid the boat is. Nice work!

strick

martin 07-06-2012 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by strick (Post 204892)
Your boat is going to be solid as a rock with that coring in place. I put Balsa in mine and am very happy with how solid the boat is. Nice work!

strick

Thanks Strick,, By the way, How did you blend the top cap with the transom? Did you flare your cap out a bit for the transom crown.? oh and it looks like you just added two inches to the Stringers. i thought about raising mine but it does not give much freeboard.. i am trying to determine the waterline .. Should i just Put boat in water and load with blocks till i get the correct weight .. Tryng to determine the Scupper height. I see yours is perfect just above the sheer .. Ps I was wondering if anyone has tried to flip a 20 over on her top. I want to keep the deck cap on and work on her from the inside So I don't loose the lines i have now..I still need to core the underside of the top deck. So I thought about flipping her over with cap still attached.. I am afraid that if i core the underside with cap off i will disort the top cap

Mark 07-06-2012 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by strick (Post 201024)
If I were to ever redo another 20sf or a master angler I would remove the forward casting platform and make the deck flush to the bow and add a coffin box with a live well built into it. Have you seen the Lefty Kreh edition?

I've fished off one. It really is the way to go with that boat.

Blue_Heron 07-06-2012 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by martin (Post 204883)
I have nida cored the sides of hull and built up the keel.

Hey, Martin. Where did you get your Nida Core, and how much did it cost? Was thinking of using it to core the deck of my Hewes when I get around to it.
Thanks,
Dave

martin 07-06-2012 01:48 PM

Apdmro... Free shipping over 300 dollars careful on the prices some are per sqft

martin 07-06-2012 01:54 PM

I used 1/2" on the sides. Using 2 " foam for gunnel supports and 1" nidacores for the deck.. can't beat free shipping. 68.00 for 1/2". And. 78 for 1"... They also have panels made up already for 280 a sheet

martin 07-15-2012 10:49 PM

nida cored the top cap
 
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Here i apllied the nida core and am setting up to vacuum bag the glass to nida core

strick 07-15-2012 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by martin (Post 204895)
By the way, How did you blend the top cap with the transom? Did you flare your cap out a bit for the transom crown.? oh and it looks like you just added two inches to the Stringers. i thought about raising mine but it does not give much freeboard.. i am trying to determine the waterline .. Should i just Put boat in water and load with blocks till i get the correct weight .. Tryng to determine the Scupper height.

1. On the cap I built a mold. It's in the photos of the rebuild. The part (new crown) is glassed to the top of the transom. Better to raise the stringers in the 20 that way you are assured good drainage.

2. Scupper height is determined by your floor height.

3. Never seen anyone work in the inside of the cap with the whole boat up side down. If you brace the cap properly and take it off the boat you should be fine. Opps looks like you have already covered that one :)

strick

martin 07-17-2012 12:11 AM

Vacuum bagging the Glass to the nida core just before the rain arrived. Two great friends helped me with the process.. My vacumm pump could not keep up with such a large area so we tried the shop vac

martin 07-17-2012 12:15 AM

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vacumm baggin before the rain came. and not a moment to soon

martin 03-24-2013 10:29 PM

okay it has been a while.. I was wondering how I need to set my lines to layout the deck.. do I just lay a2x4 across the stringers and mark a line or do I need to level the boat and then uses a rotory laser level to shot the line... I have both just to let you know.. I am at odds on this.. I have all the materials to layout floor just have been at a stale mate on this.. the tops cap is installed and need to start with floor.. thanks

martin 09-14-2015 12:02 PM

Bump

db3155 09-26-2015 11:47 PM

bump I need to know also...

JohnC 10-18-2015 10:16 AM

Can you give a quick run-down of your vacuum bagging? I have almost no experience with bagging and I am curious how you use those materials.

martin 10-21-2015 09:00 PM

Bagging
 
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Originally Posted by JohnC (Post 239477)
Can you give a quick run-down of your vacuum bagging? I have almost no experience with bagging and I am curious how you use those materials.

I will tell you what I know, which is by far not much...my bagging system is pretty basic.i use a 7.5 cfm yellow jacket two stage vac pump. Some use the Venturi pumps that you hook up to your compressor.. My compressor is not that big. So I use a my vac pump.. Any way bagging allows an equal force applied to all sides of your part you are building.. It helps with big and small parts... It also allows to be able to pull all the resin inbetween all layers of foam so that you end up with one solid piece. the object of vacuum bagging for me is to build a solid full cure part with no excess build up of resin. Trying to find the Correct resin to cloth ratio is the trick. After some practice at certain temps , you get and idea. Plus there is lost of knowledge on here for correct resin to mat ratio's..there is a lot of waste when it comes to bagging. So that is where I try to use less expensive materials.. Bagging film , peel ply , breather film, bag tape all can add up. So I use large bubblewrap from lowes and 6 mil visqen. And tacky tape for metal roofing...
I build a lay up table with melamine one side Mdf.. Box it then screw two together to ache I've an 8'x8' layup table.. Cut you part out from a pattern and lay on table.. Mark and outline the part. Then come out about 8" over size all the way around and lay a perimeter of 1/2" tape . Then on the outside of your tape lay down you tacky tape . Stick it to the tabl but do not pull the backing.. Leave it then take some 2" blue painters tape and cover the tacky tape... This is to protect the tacky tape from getting resin on it...this is your working area. Wax the hell out of the working area now. Usually two good polishings will work.You cut your visqen slightly large than the tacky tape. You will have to make gussets if the part is going to be thick..
After cut you visqen set asid.. Now you have your part cut from foam.you should drill some 1/8"bleeder holes to allow to pull resin through..take some 1.5 oz mat cut to size and two laywers of 17/08 cut to size.. Mix your resin wet out the mat first then wet (wait first you should have made a test batch of an 2 oz of resin and time it so that you have an idea as to what your working time is when it kicks off.
Now you have that. And after lots of practice. You will get a better feel. Now wet your mat out. Then 1708 and then 1708 again. Make sure the 08 csm side is against the foam..it allows a better contact adhesion to the foam..some say to pre coat the foam with resin ,to make a tack layer. But I don't.
Now set your pre drilled foam on then a layer of bubble wrap and your 1" pre cut and slit pvc pipe down .now pllace your visqen down over that. And start from one end and pull the tape off the tacky tape and seal the bag up.. After that is down cut a hole through the bag and pipe and push your tubing in then seal it off with tacky tape.. Start pulling a vac. Down to 25 then lett up to 18-20,,,, record the heat generated and cure time. You do not want to pull so much vac that you end up with a dry lam. Keep and eye on how much resin is pulled out of your part..once done and hard pull your part off the table .. Ship shape tv and west systems did a great show on this.. Check it out...

martin 10-21-2015 09:04 PM

I forgot to say lay one layer of glass first and let set up. While you are in the chemical bond window then add your two layers of 1708 and foam

JohnC 10-21-2015 09:45 PM

Thank you for the explanation. I will have to adapt it to my transom layup but I will make some smaller parts first as you suggest to get the hang of the materials. I need a few hatches so that's probable a good place to start.

martin 10-22-2015 10:53 AM

Transom
 
I used the same techniques on my 23. And for the hatches. All epoxy on transom.. And poly for hatches...I just re core them..vac bagging needs to be on a flat surface. Vertical bagging has not worked for.me cause I cannot keep my seal tape clean. I think rtm would be best.. Also use duct tape to help seal the bag..


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