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erebus 08-19-2012 10:19 AM

20' CC -Whats the value?
 
In my neighborhood there's a 1971 20' CC for sale that I've been keeping an eye on, but the owner is asking what seems to me to be way too much.
The boat has apparently been for sale for several years now, and hasn't been used or really maintained.

I checked her over the other day and would like to maybe make an offer but I don't want to be too insulting. The current asking price is in the ballpark of $6k.

Here's the condition:
Decks are pretty rotten. Soft all around the console almost all the way back to the transom. They've been coated at some point with some kind of roll on nonskid to cover the crazing, and the coating is peeling back because of all the water trapped underneath. You can push the deck up and down with a fingertip.

Console looks OK, definitely 40 years old.
Bow rail, trim, etc would all need to be re-bedded or outright replaced. Screw holes filled and hardware re-fastened.

Transom has some cracking at the motor mounts, and is probably in the same condition as the decks, but cant be sure. I didn't look at the locker lids too closely seemed OK.

Bilges are very dirty and most wiring looks suspect. I'm sure the fuel tank looks similar.

Lots of dings and battle scars on the cap and outer hull. Gelcoat is chalky and has some bad repairs, but doesn't look too awful. Lots of gloppy marine-tex.

Motor is a 1988 Johnson 115, looks it's age. As do the controls, gauges, cables and wiring.

Trailer is in fair condition. Probably also late 80's vintage like the motor.

I work for a local boatyard and can handle pretty much any boat repair task, electrical, mechanical, glasswork etc. So I know I can fix whatever I find. I also will have some downtime this winter.
I just don't want to get into a project boat at too high an initial cost.

What do you guys think would be a reasonable offer?

NoBones 08-19-2012 11:03 AM

Welcome to CSC erebus..

With out a few pics to view, I would say you are looking at a
total rebuild. Transom, deck, wiring, etc, etc. etc....
With that in mind $1000 TOPS!!!!
The guy is dreaming to say the least!
There was a 20 just recently on here that went for $500
already gutted on a trailer.

Keep us posted!

jorgeinmiami 08-19-2012 11:06 AM

I wish I could get 6k for mine and I just did mine

erebus 08-19-2012 11:24 AM

Thanks for the welcome!
I've been lurking for a few months now, so I already feel like I know all you guys.
I drive by Wildman's Minty Green CC 23 here on the Cape all the time!

I was thinking rebuild as well. New floor and transom mostly, but at least all the parts are there. Console, rails, hatches etc.
And I do have access to a complete boatyard, which helps. :-)

Next time I drive by I'll try and snap some pics.

deerhunter 08-20-2012 12:03 AM

i got a 1971 20 ft safari for nothing. a friend gave it too me. all i had too do was fix the power trim. sounds like your future boat needs some serious work. 500 tops.

ScottM 08-20-2012 11:50 AM

It seems like guys on the Cape think their SC's are worth a lot more than the rest of the world. The boat is maybe worth $500 alone; add a 25 year old motor and trailer and maybe you're at $2K max.

Wildman 08-21-2012 10:19 AM

Hey man stop by and say hi some time! lol
If this is the boat on 28 in Harwich, its been for sale for a long time, and they wont budge (or they wouldn't in the spring) on the price.

ScottM,
ya gota remember, out here we are on a sandbar (island) and most people dont want to travel off cape for stuff they want, that drives the prices up on most things (trucks, trailers, boats) to prices off-capers wouldn't dream of paying.

mrobertson 08-21-2012 11:48 AM

IMO - If you are looking to do a full resto - 20's are easy enough to find that i wouldn't pay more than probably 2k for one.

erebus 08-21-2012 07:13 PM

Hey Wildman, it is indeed the one in Harwich Port.
I work for Harwich Port Boatyard and drive by this poor thing every day.
Somebody needs to do something with it!
Did you call and talk to somebody about it? Did they sound like they were maybe off their meds?

Anyway here are some pics, even though it might be a lost cause:

http://www.dieselmachine.com/seacraft/IMG_1019.JPG

http://www.dieselmachine.com/seacraft/IMG_1020.JPG

http://www.dieselmachine.com/seacraft/IMG_1021.JPG

http://www.dieselmachine.com/seacraft/IMG_1023.JPG

http://www.dieselmachine.com/seacraft/IMG_1025.JPG

http://www.dieselmachine.com/seacraft/IMG_1029.JPG

http://www.dieselmachine.com/seacraft/IMG_1031.JPG

http://www.dieselmachine.com/seacraft/IMG_1036.JPG

http://www.dieselmachine.com/seacraft/IMG_1038.JPG

http://www.dieselmachine.com/seacraft/IMG_1039.JPG

http://www.dieselmachine.com/seacraft/IMG_1040.JPG

http://www.dieselmachine.com/seacraft/IMG_1041.JPG

http://www.dieselmachine.com/seacraft/IMG_1043.JPG

http://www.dieselmachine.com/seacraft/IMG_1044.JPG

http://www.dieselmachine.com/seacraft/IMG_1033.JPG

ScottM 08-22-2012 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wildman (Post 206739)
ScottM,
ya gota remember, out here we are on a sandbar (island) and most people dont want to travel off cape for stuff they want, that drives the prices up on most things (trucks, trailers, boats) to prices off-capers wouldn't dream of paying.

I hear ya, but regardless of the canal and 2 bridges separating you from the rest of the world, SC's in particular seem to carry a premium on-Cape that other things, such as cars, trucks, other brand boats, etc. do not.

Islandtrader 08-22-2012 09:10 AM

I don't usually make predictions...but this guy will NEVER get half of what he is asking for the boat.

Just do your self a favor and start looking off the Sand Pile.

erebus 08-22-2012 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Islandtrader (Post 206780)
Just do your self a favor and start looking off the Sand Pile.

Yeah, I think I'm starting to head in that direction.

Anybody in the New England area have a reasonably priced 20' CC? Not necessarily a full-on resto but maybe a nice easy winter project?

Guess Ill keep dredging craigslist too.

Wildman 08-22-2012 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottM (Post 206779)
I hear ya, but regardless of the canal and 2 bridges separating you from the rest of the world, SC's in particular seem to carry a premium on-Cape that other things, such as cars, trucks, other brand boats, etc. do not.

You obviously haven't tried to price a decent one ton work truck recently.... Or a low milage 4x4 SUV that is not a rust bucket. Its just the way it is. If you want to get a better deal, go off cape I am that guy who goes off cape and buys $600 SC hulls :D The same ones I could turn and sell for 2K on cape. Just the way it is.

I know of a CC that will be for sale this fall for about 9K with electronics and a solid running 150 Evinrude. VERY clean boat, new trailer, I re-cored the hatches It honestly needs NOTHING except for 'owner extras' I am also looking at a few 'builder' boats off cape to do the glass work to and sell if your interested.

erebus 08-22-2012 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wildman (Post 206809)
...I am also looking at a few 'builder' boats off cape to do the glass work to and sell if your interested.

Hmm, quite possibly. Might end up being a better solution.

Next time I'm wandering out to Marconi, if I see you out puttering in the driveway I'll stop by and say hi.
I saw you cruise by my house last weekend too (I live right by Town Cove). It's hard to miss that Minty Green hull. Especially when she's way up on a trailer!

Jeswick 08-22-2012 09:21 PM

Don't walk........run away from that thing.
Too many way better sc boats out there for less $$.

Sceptre20 08-23-2012 10:38 AM

I think that boat has been sitting there for at least 4 years,maybe longer and the price hasn't budged

Bigshrimpin 08-23-2012 11:55 AM

The 6k asking price is about $5500 too high.

thehermit 08-23-2012 01:11 PM

I know this boat....I dont want to bash but anyone who jumps aboard will see the floor is GONE. So Im not sharing new information here.

Wildman 08-23-2012 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erebus (Post 206811)
Hmm, quite possibly. Might end up being a better solution.

Next time I'm wandering out to Marconi, if I see you out puttering in the driveway I'll stop by and say hi.
I saw you cruise by my house last weekend too (I live right by Town Cove). It's hard to miss that Minty Green hull. Especially when she's way up on a trailer!

HA yea, between the green hull and the lettered up cowboy cadilac towing it, its hard to miss my rig! Drop me a PM with your number I can get ya a ride some afternoon or something. It will change your mind on the 20, youll want a 23 HA!

erebus 08-23-2012 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wildman (Post 206850)
...It will change your mind on the 20, youll want a 23 HA!

I would love a 23!
We have a bunch of 23 CC's and a 23 Tsunami down at Wychmere that we take care of.
I was sold within 10 minutes of seatrial after spring commissioning.

I want something a little more easily trailer-able and store-able. A 23 would be just a bit too big. I also don't want to have to upgrade my ratty old truck.
:rolleyes:


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