1980"s era 20sf's
 

I should know this but just wanted to check with the pro's...I think I remember hearing that the later 80"s 20sf's are slightly longer then the earlier Potter era models? I see on the net where some are calling them a 21 rather then a 20. Also I remember something about a hook in the hull...I think that was on a 23 mold. Any thing in particular to watch out for if one was to re do a later 80's 20sf? Sandy I know you have one...

strick

Hook was on the port side Sceptre 23'. After CSY around 1983 as I remember. I don't recall the 20' had changed in length ?

Sceptre Hook
 

If you search Bushwacker had some posts describing the hook. Don’t think it was on very many.

Doc, a 20 is a 20.
Nice to have you back.


Do you want my 20?

GFS will know for sure but I think you are right. My recollection is that the Tracker era(?) 20s were about 6" longer and had a slightly higher deck. The only hook I know of was on the 23 as Capt Chuck mentioned. I remember hearing about a slightly shortened 23 being sold as a 21 but that may not be accurate or it could have been a one-off; the beam would be the giveaway on that.

I have loads of old brochures at my office , but they made a 20 that was a bit bigger than the potter 20...but not a tracker...and they also at one time advertised the MA as over 20. If I remember I look over the brochures later

Joe R
21 SeaCraft 1998
Susie 2

The 80's were 20 4" and the 70's were 19 6"

SCI raised the deck of the 20.
Mid eighties.

All very informative replies Thanks fellas. I've only seen one 80's 20 sf and it seemed a bit longer then the 69 20 sf I rebuilt several years ago. I did not measure it. Just doing some research and catching up. I have not been out on my boat in a very long time...It's ready to go for a short shake down cruise when I get the time. Bunch of other projects are keeping me off the water. :(

strick

There is also a short spray strake under her nose.
Maybe they extended her beak a few inches???

Thanks Sandy..I'll check that out.

strick

I second this^ the 80's model hulls were a tad longer, not sure where? but they did end up stretched out just a tad.

Bingo....

Current 2000’s 21 is a cut down 23SF. Over half of the references to a SC 21 currently come from someone rounding the length over 20 on a 20SF to 21.

The norm has always been to round up so a 19'6" gets to be a 20 footer and a 20'4" gets to be a 21 although I dont know if any of the 80's boats were marketed as a 21?


Now for another question since you've brought up the newer 21...I've talked to several people about the newer 21's being a cut down version of the 23. Yes you can see thats it's way bigger then the 20sf. The question I had was...how was the mold made on the 21? did they simply cut 2 feet off the back of a 23 and make a new mold from that? or has the gunnel height been taken down a bit as well. Anyone ever get a picture of the newer 21 and the 23 side by side? I realize that the interior was changed significantly and would rather not get into that.

strick

The beam on the 21 is 8' and 24" of freeboard aft, the 23 is 8 2" not sure of freeboard but I would assume its also more, sitting in the water the 23 is taller

I don’t think the 20’s were ever marketed as a 21. Never seen it....Pigsticker has some good feedback on the newer 21 with dimensional changes. I was next to a 21 at beer can island in Longboat pass recently. The 21 did look like the freeboard was lower.

The 20 was always a 20.
Schhhhhnnnnooookems is right.

Some folks selling their 20`s called them 21`s.

Always heard the newer 21 was a cut down 23.
Never taped one.

My ‘77 Seafari says 19’ 8”, as does my ‘79 MA I believe but can’t put hands on reg right now. After all the title work for the ‘76 Seafari, I also believe to be same.

Vezo

Gota '83 MA here now, ill throw a tape on it...

NoBone's 1970 birth certificate says 19'6"....:rolleyes:

Need to stop by your shop again.

this....the newer 21 was intro in 1998...it is not a 20 or 20ft 4 ..or anything like the 80 boats.. more deadrse .Dry without motor or anything in it its 2500 lbs. ad a t top, motor,rigging and some gas in the 95gal tank and you got some weight,,rated for 225 hp, you need at least a 200hp much like a 23... it is very much closer to the 23 than any other SeaCraft ...built in the Silver King plant...then in NC

Joe R,
21 SeaCraft
Susie 2

I'd love to see a family tree with the various mutations shown...
Guess it pretty much starts with Carl's Si-Vad and race boats.
Original 1960's 21
19-20, 15, 25, 27, 23, 18, copies, derivatives, and?
Lots of chil'n out there.

The newer 20 was popped from a 69’ 20’ mild, the 21 is actually 20’ 4” marketed as a 21 and just assuming it was a new mold as was the 25 and 32, never seen anything about the 23

Great discussion thanks fellas. I think I've got both my questions answered. It appears that the newer 21 was redesigned from the ground up. One of the things that had me confused was that the literature lists the newer 21 as weighing only 100 pounds less then the 23 and drafting only 1 inch less then the 23. Everyone that has a post 98 21 has had nothing but great things to say about the boats ride. One of the reasons for my questions is I have a 23 here that is in great shape and I'm trying to decide what to do with it. Been toying around with the seacraft 21 conch idea. Please don't throw tomatoes at me lol

strick

Cool!!!!

Flexpat, Don't forget the run of 2009 26 footers at MA and TE editions.

Not what I have been told and certainly not what I have seen personally.

83 MA i came up with 19'6" (with the cap off). My 69 is 19'8" (cap on) just like advertised...

1998 Seacraft brochure has the story about where the newer 20' seacraft mold came from

Bingo.

The four stringer hull.

Very smart design there.

My 1986 20" CC measures 20'6", but it could be the 20'4" previously mentioned. My buddy's 1970 is 19'6". We both call our boats a 20 and mine is and has been registered as a 20. The most noticeable difference is at the transom where the 1970 has a sunken seat with a hatch on either side, my 1986 has no "seat" and the hatch covers an area that is completed boxed and level with the gunnels.