23 vs Moesly 21 Ride

[Islandtrader]

This is a quote from the MAN...Carl Moesly

I was asked to discus a few defferent models of SeaCrafts.

The "21" was a rough, tough boat for off-shore work that can carry a heavy load in high seas with very good speed. The "19" Bow Rider, the "20" Center consol and the Cuddy Cabin were designed for coastal and bay work. The "20" was a modified "19" hull with advance design characteristics.

The "23" models were desigtned after I sold and left the company. They were basically a "21" bottom stretched out and the freeboard lowered. I had a demo ride in rough water a couple of years after the boat hit the market. The sales/demo driver asked me what I thought about the boat. My reply was "there are a couple of things I would have done differently". He came back with "that may be so, but it is so much better than any thing else on the market".

Funny things happen when you stretch out a hull or change things on the bottom. It can be a gain in some ways and a loss in others. A good big boat can mostly out perform a little boat. Foot for foot, I like the "21"

Now if I could get mine done I could tell you what I thought

[McGillicuddy]

Thanks for the input guys,
seems we're still compromising. Softer ride = more wetness... didn't expect that. I'd rather take a few bumps than be saturated, I guess. 1 vote for Big Lew's opinion.

Mr Moesly's words are interesting. Clearly, he WOULD have done things differently, don't know what, but...

I'd love to see some pictures of Unohu's skipper in the mask and snorkel. Classic SeaCraft!

Is Brian still planning on popping some hulls of the salvaged 21?

-Gillie

[Bushwacker]

. . . I'd rather take a few bumps than be saturated, I guess. 1 vote for Big Lew's opinion.

Gillie - I can see how you might not like getting wet if it's 50 degree water! On the other hand, if it's 85 degree water (and you're a diver already wearing a mask ), and you're making a 10 hr run to the Abaco's thru 2-3' square waves on the Little Bahama Bank, trust me, even a SMALL improvement in ride is a VERY big deal! My boat seemed to think it was 3' longer after I added trim tabs! Denny

[Fr. Frank]

On the other hand, if it's 85 degree water (and you're a diver already wearing a mask ), and you're making a 10 hr run to the Abaco's thru 2-3' square waves on the Little Bahama Bank, trust me, even a SMALL improvement in ride is a VERY big deal! Denny

And no one who has not made an 8+ hour run offshore in a powerboat has any idea!!!

I made a run to Chub Cay in the 80's with a friend in his 25' Robalo. After 3 hours out of St. Lucie, even though the seas were only 2-3', we pulled it back from 28-30 mph, to 18-20 mph. We felt like our spine had been compressed.

Here's the analaogy: Dropping 5 feet (3' seas equal 4'10" wave height) while standing at a center console loads up to a momentary 1.4-1.5 G's onto your spine, legs, and feet. For a 200 lb man, that's like somebody dropping an 80-100 lb sack of feed onto you shoulders for a second, before you shrug it off, then doing it all over again. Now do that every 3-4 seconds (15-20 times per minute, 900-1200 times per hour) for hours on end.

With a softer ride, you get a lower rate of deceleration, and less G-loading. Metaphorically speaking, you're still getting a sack of feed dumped on your shoulders, but it's a smaller, lighter sack.

That's why a soft ride is so important offshore.

[FlyingTime]

Carl said the same thing after he approached Johnny Morris about improving the original designs from the 60's. I guess some may not have enough vision to see that it can be better. Carl knows exactly what to do to make each vessel better depending on it's intended use although he never really had the chance to perfect his concepts. The man is a genius! Anyway, I'll take a 21 over a 23 any day...

[Bushwacker]

. . . We felt like our spine had been compressed.

Amen to that Fr. Frank! I often felt a few inches shorter after some of those trips!

[cdavisdb]

The sack metaphor is right on target. You get so tired after 5 or 6 hours, much less 8, that you are too numb to see straight. Going from a 24 seabird to a 25 seafari is like going from a 100 lb sack to a 10 lb sack, just heavenly.

On wet boats, you can look at a 21 vs a 23 and see why the 21 would be wetter, but here is something I can't figure out. The 25 seafari is almost as sharp as the 21 and has little flare in the bow. It looks like a wet boat, yet is astonishingly dry, even in a pretty good crosswind.

Anybody have any idea why?

[Islandtrader]

The 25 seafari is almost as sharp as the 21 and has little flare in the bow. It looks like a wet boat, yet is astonishingly dry,

Every one is saying the 21 is a wet boat...I think this is a relative term.

Hopefully 3rdday will check in.

If it is blowing like stink and you have a quartering wind I believe any boat will be wet.

My definition of wet is if you are head sea at cruising speed and you are getting wet...then you have a wet boat.
If you are busting waves any boat will be wet.

[FlyingTime]

If you're running fast enough the water won't be able to catch you...

[Basspond]

What's the saying?

Something like, there are two kinds of boats out there, wet boats and wet boats with enclosures.