dry weights new 23cc vs old hulls

[markdpm]

The 1979 23' Sceptre was rated for 600 horsepower outboard!! I saw one years ago with the twin 300 Evinrudes. Ive always done fine with a single 200 to 250. At the time I was also looking at the 26 Aquasport Family Fisherman but saw that the Seacraft was a shorter, heavier boat which could hold much more horsepower thus I figured must be a better boat. I visited the Princeton factory and saw the boats being handmade and met Bill Potter. We had to wait 8 months but we had our boat done from scratch just the way we wanted. I think the total package, boat, engine 200 Merc and trailer was around $17,000. 23 years later, new trailer and fourth engine but same boat, best decision ever made!

[ September 23, 2002, 06:38 PM: Message edited by: markdpm ]

[OTTERLY COOL]

Hi - I had a 1975 18 footer and it weighed around 15-1600 Lbs dry - no fuel and no engine. If my recollection is correct, the 23 CC that year weighed 3100 lbs dry. Seacraft in those days didn't "carry" as much capacity as other boats their size because they had so much glass in them and a boat can only displace so much (pounds of) water. The more glass, the less capacity to carry because hull weight plus the capacity equals the amount of displacement.

I have a 1974 23 CC (I/O) now and I am going to have it rebuilt by Metan Restorations in Mass. All I can tell you is it had to delivered to my house on an oversize trailer and I was told that with the engine and outdrive it was around 5000 lbs.

Hope that helps.

[John R]

Hey Otterly, it would be very nice if you could work with Metan on a pictorial representation of the restoration. I've seen some pics of their work on their site ( http://www.bostonboating.com/metanmarine/ )and it looks pretty good but please consider documenting the before, during, and after processes (and I can head up there and get the boat if you decide you don't want it [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img] )

[ September 24, 2002, 09:15 AM: Message edited by: John R ]

[CapeGuy]

Otterly, i wish you had mentioned Metan Marine before you settled with mike, i got a bad rub from the guy and wouldnt recommend his work, its a good thing i met a few previous customers before i brought my boat there, otherwise i'd have a hole in my pocket and a chip on my shoulder. If you are going to spend all that money, bring it to a real boat shop, not a tent in some guys backyard. I've seen five of his works first hand and have fished on one. Not impressed. The nonskid he does is slippery as a bastard when it gets wet, i almost went head over heels fighting a bluefish and had a stumbly rest of the day. Get a few estimates before you settle for a lesser quality job. And remember your friends on the web can level with you, i would certainly speak to you in person about it. Good luck and if you havent finalized anything yet, respond here and we can chat. Happy Holidays.

[John R]

its a good thing i met a few previous customers before i brought my boat there, otherwise i'd have a hole in my pocket and chip on my shoulder

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well - it sounds a little late for that chip on your shoulder [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img] ...

I don't want to come across too harsh here or like I have a hair across my ass but your first and only 2 posts on Classicseacraft have been to dredge up old posts just to trash Metan. That often comes across as a board troll or simply slamming. Now I'm not saying that I doubt your sincerity here (OK, maybe a little [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img] ), or that you don't have reason to be harsh on them but when your only 2 posts here are to bash a company, you lose a little credibility.

So instead of bashing these guys right off the bat (not saying they do or don't deserve it), why don't you tell us a bit about your boat and just say hello or something first.

Now after saying all that crap, I do agree they are expensive and I haven't seen their work close up so I can't judge that.

So on that note - welcome to C-S and tell us about your boat. And where on the Cape do you fish out of, hehehe...

[Finster]

The only thing I can say about that is, I've been F'd by dealers in the past. And I bash them every chance I get. (makes me feel better) [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]
Plus I figure they have it coming.

Anyone want to hear about the dealer that didn't put lower unit oil in my new Suzuki 115? Then to make matters worse they didn't put my prop nut on and I lost the dam thing! [img]images/icons/mad.gif[/img] ........Sorry I got carried away, and off the topic....... I'm better now.

[ December 09, 2002, 10:13 AM: Message edited by: Finster ]

[John R]

Hey Finster - the meds are wearing off [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]

BTW - nice pic with the kids - can't wait to get my son out on the water next year

[ocuyler]

John,

Thanks for that comment. I sincerely appreciate how positive and confidence inspiring CS is and I'm paying for the privledge. I can get negativity anywhere.

How many guys donated something to Jason (Trayder) for running this site? I chalange you all to match my $100 (or more). Click the donate button at the bottom of this page.

Happy Holidays!

Otto

[John R]

Yo Otto - this winter I'm going to build an 8' Graphite Spinning Inshore rod - Fuji Seats & Guides, over/under wrapped, CS Logo on the butt section if I can get it to work right - or maybe a conventional boat rod - and donate it to the site for an auction or raffle (or Trayder can fish with it [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img] )... How's that?

[Jon G]

A CS logo rod? Now your talking put me on the list!