seacraft scupper question

[oldbluesplayer]

G -

I think you are basically onto it - I have the same boat, a 73 20' Seafari, with an '84 Johnson V-4, 115. The scuppers are a straight thru the floor tube, and if both me and my son stand in back by the transom, water will come up thru the scuppers and the floor gets a bit wet. Your 235, don't know what year, is a V-6 and is gonna be a good bit heavier, so even more the water.

Next question, is why the 235 - mine runs just over 30 (gps) WOT, and cruises nicely between 18 and 24 - from other posts I've seen here, a V-4 140 should get you upper 40's WOT - how much speed do you need - that 235 should be absolutely scary wide open !!!

Bill

[warthog5]

The 235's were nick named "2 thirsty 5" for a reason. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

[cSickNick]

Congrats! Seafari's rule! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

As for filling scuppers, who knows. Are there any holes leading into the bilge to pump out?

- Nick

[gaulois]

OBPlayer-
The reason I have a two thirsty five is that it came with the boat. The price was irresistable on the boat. 2700.
There seems to be nothing fundamentally wrong with the boat.
The gel coat is actually in good shape considering the age.
However having said that.... This boat is from the crystal river area. My theory is that the old man that owned the boat had a grandson that put this 235 on. I have a feeling that the hypothetical kid ran it onto oyster beds a few times.
The gelcoat underneath on the bottom along the center stringer is scraped to the fiberglass. There are also some gouges in it, not deep, but through the gelcoat.
I agree, I cant imagine that the 235 -a V6-is less heavy than V4's.
Thank you also for your info on the hp. I was considering putting anywhere from a 130 to a 175 E Tech on the back if I get a new engin. Sounds like the 130 will be fine. I do not care about speed, but rather dependability/feul econ. You think I would get 30kts out of the V4 130? Do you keep your batteries in the back compartment?

[JW-Tex]

The old 235 model horsepower was measured at the powerhead and may have been closer to 200HP at the prop. They were apparantly badged as 200, 225 and 235 depending on the year in question. This is what I was told by several people when I owned an old 235 Johnson. Based on the perfomance on my 20 foot whaler I think the motor performed more in line with 200 hp motor.

You might research the 235 on thehulltruth.com and get more factual information than I have.

[gaulois]

Thanks JW.
Im am pretty much resigned to replacing it. I am not with the boat right now. It is in Miami, and I am waiting to move down from Maine in December. When I get there I will put it in the water, and that will answer a lot of questions. What has anyone heard of the "miraculous, why own a 4 stroke" E-Techs? Are they as good as they advertise?
Im sorry if I am cynical about Corps, but.... they sound too good to be true.

[Bigshrimpin]

gaulois - check out pelican marine in FL.
4stroke 140 johnson =>$7295 /+ rigging /+ prop

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/New-0...84085433QQrdZ1

[Scott]

Bigshrimpin

Gaulois - the 235 is light (400lbs). It's weighs quite a bit less than most 150's made today.

Gaulois

I agree, I cant imagine that the 235 -a V6-is less heavy than V4's.

235 in NADA

As Bigshrimpin mentioned
The 235’s run from 395 to about 410 Lbs. As compared to a lot of the engines today in the 150 hp range … that’s about 50-75 lbs lighter !!!

The E-tecs, if memory serves me , range around 370 Lbs for a 130 to somewhere around 420Lbs for the 150/175 and are heavier on your wallet from what I recall. So weight wise you’ll be about the same.

The Johnson is also around 420 ...I think
I pretty sure cSick has the 140 but in the black version ...but then again he also has the pool noodle thing going for him [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

The deck drain to the bilge now ??

[gaulois]

Many people have asked the (very important) question: "does the deck drain into the bilge. Yes, the idiot who did this, and who is hopefully not a memeber of our gang, drilled a quarter inch hole in the rear center of the deck. Needless to say, drainage is slow, and the slightest debris plug it up. I will probably pull the silicone out of the scuppers, and (which I did on one side) since this mysterioius grandchild removed the scupper housing, the water can flow freely into the bildge.
When I get back to Miami in December here is what I plan on doing: 1. get new batteries. 2. Remove any non essential wiring that could drain my bateries if there is a short. 3. Get a new bildge pump and new wires switches etc. THEN drop the boat in and see what happens- how low it is, how it handles with the 2thirsty5. I would be able to see if the engine is too heavy.
Question. If I find I can put scuppers back, and since the mysterious grandson filled the hull outlets with marinetex, what would you guys suggest I do to restore the whole scupper system?

[Bigshrimpin]

gaulois - The original scuppers go down through the floor into a block of wood that is glassed to the hull and out the bottom of the boat. What you might find when/if you remove the marinetex patches is that the wood blocks may have deteriorated to the point where water leaks into the hull around the thru hull scuppers. Assuming that the previous owners weren't totally "coo-coo" . . . the marinetex/silicon fix might have just done the trick.