Need 'Roll & Tip' tips

Capt Chuck · #1 03-21-2007, 08:00 PM

Looks Terrific to me

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But it did have an orange peel appearance

The thicker the paint the more orange peel you will get. Your better to go according to manf mixture. I don't know about the paint your using so I can not comment.

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With the 2nd dry roll, did you get bubbles? Did you squeegie the roller between paper inbetween sections to help keep it 'dry'

I use the "Shur-Line" 3" Trim & Touch-up roller (that's right 3") to put the wet paint on. I get 'em at Home Depot. Make sure you wipe and roll the cloth roller first with duct tape to remove all dust and fuzz. It just takes a little more time vs using a 6" or 9". I dry off with the 4" Shur-Line Foam Roller. I keep extra rollers all set and clean in case you drop one. I use 2 or 3 per side to keep them from absorbing too much paint.

"Bubbles" Maybe your rolling too fast? Maybe the tip method with the shaved bristles like Joey mentioned is your best bet? Some of the cheap foam brushes will break down in the urethane thinners. The ones I use have "JEN MFG" on the wood handle. Get 'em at Ace Hardware. They hold up a little longer. Can several coats of your paint be applied in a single day? If so, then by all means go thinner and then apply a second thin coat after dry/tack up. Also FYI, being painted indoors slows the drying time. Air movement over the paint removes the fumes and quickens the tack up. I know Mike at Wildfire paints inside and uses big fans when he sprays PPG Concept paint. I just hate to steer you wrong Carla as I can only comment based on my experience with the Signature paint application.

I'm positive after your all done and made and corrected your mistakes, you'll be a pro !!

65Bowrider · #2 03-21-2007, 08:59 PM

"I'm positive after your all done and made and corrected your mistakes, you'll be a pro !! "

Thanks Chuck, but I want to be a 'pro' BEFORE I get to the last coat! Hmm orange peel means I'd better go back to thinning 2oz per quart, which is what I did on the topside.
I'm using 4" foam rollers, will stick with that. Maybe slow down on rolling per your suggestion for bubbles. Also maybe need to experiment more with the 'tipping'.... foam brush (also used on topside) and try the China bristle we have.

If all that doesn't work, maybe stand on my head & paint upsidedown!

Bryan A...thanks for the compliment. The topside was so much easier than the outside of the hull! Same paint, but different colors.

Fishjack · #3 03-22-2007, 12:51 AM

Pro? From the looks of that pic your close to being there!

Red (and any other dark color) I believe shows more imperfections. Granted no "roll and tip" will every be as perfect as a pro spray job but I still have people look closely at my boat and cannot believe it was "rolled on"...

Keep up the good work..

Blue197320 · #4 03-22-2007, 08:33 AM

65Bowrider,
i am trying to roll and tip my my console but its not working very well for me. i am using the same paint and thinner that u are using. i roll it on with a mohair roller and went over it with a china bristle brush but had bad brush marks. i went and bought foam brushes to try. do you apply the paint thick initially then tip?

65Bowrider · #5 03-22-2007, 10:29 AM

Blue,
I've mixed 2 oz of 333 in the paint. On the topside, I rolled with 4" sponge roller, EVERY direction getting a good even coat, doing only about 2 sq ft at a time. Then went over it with the sponge brush with decent pressure...not too lightly ... and not digging thru the paint. Tipped only in one direction, one time.
But that was on the topside, which is mostly a horizontal surface. Did the bottom this way too and had pretty good results. I liked the foam brush better than the china bristle.

Now I'm doing the sides of the boat(hull). It's a vertical surface, and that's where the finish is not smoothing out as much. Your console is a lot of vertical surface too.

I've gotten a lot of good tips on this thread and trying them out. WHEN I succeed (and I will!), I'll post.

I'm taking the day off from painting to attend the Palm Beach Boat Show. So Friday I'll see the results from yesterday's attempt.

Good Luck & let me know if you figure it out using Interlux.

Blue197320 · #6 03-22-2007, 06:32 PM

65,
thanks for the tip. so the verticle surfaces are giving the problem... luckily for me the console is out of the boat so i can try to lay it on its side and let gravity do the work?
also is there any particular brand of foam roller that u prefer ?

65Bowrider · #7 03-23-2007, 08:20 AM

Blue, whenever you can let gravity do the work for you, it's easiest. Rollers are 4", white, from Home Depot. They have the sponge brushes also. Like Chuck said, wipe with tack cloth before painting to remove all dust particles, also at Home Depot.

I learned at the boat show, talking to Interlux people, the red & yellow are the hardest to paint with. The chemicals have been changed and emolulents (something like that) has been removed due to EPA restrictions. On vertical surfaces, recommended tipping 'down' or 'up'. I'll be trying that today...and will let you know how it works.

Blue197320 · #8 03-23-2007, 07:21 PM

i went to home depot and got the capt chuck 3" roller and the foam brushes that 65 reccomennded. i am practicing this technique on the primer.(interlux pre-kote thinned wiht 333)
i roll it on, let it sit for a minute or two then go over it with the 2" foam brush. i still see brush marks! maybe the primer is not the same as the actual paint or its too thick? please help im gettin kinda few up with this.

65Bowrider · #9 03-22-2007, 10:51 AM

Blue,
Regarding how much paint to roll on... enough to give it a solid coating only, not more... remember on the deck, I rolled over 3-4 times in ALL directions to get the solid coverage. HOWEVER, note what Capt.Chuck recommends, only rolling in ONE direction...bottom to top. Hope this helps!

65Bowrider · #10 04-02-2007, 03:30 PM

Update: We have put enough coats on for good coverage(7), but I didn't make "Pro". Last coat definitely was the best, using Chucks wet roll & dry roll method.
Unfortunately, there's a slight orange peel, but can only see with lights & closeup.
So, can I just perfect it with the 1500 sandpaper & 3m Perfect-It? Does the 1500 leave any scratches?
Also, what KIND of 3m Perfect-It? I googled and found several, compound, swirl remover & polish. West Marine had Super Compound...if I use that, do I need to sand?
And then just follow instructions or any special tips?
If I goof this up, then I'm facing another complete sanding and painting...

Any detailed hints will be TREMENDOUSLY appreciated!